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MY FEELS, MY FEELS WHEN LAURIAM IMMEDIATELY STORMED INTO THE WAREHOUSE AND SCREAMING STRELITZIA'S NAME
NOT HELPING IS THAT KH3 SUPPORTED THIS

[spoiler] Nameless Star confirmed that "he changed beyond recognition, but if he ever reclaimed his old self he be distressed by my absence"

betting 10 bucks once Lauriam is recompleted, first thing he will do is trying to find Strelitzia again

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WTF is going on?
Apparently Blaine is revealing something important to Skuld and Ven alone while Lauriam and Ephemer are visiting Player, with all the dramatic hat lifting and stuff.

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I'm judging everybody who dared to say Lauriam didn't care about his sister ;A;

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I will probably wait till there are actually translations before I watch, but I am intrigued for sure.

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Nomura: Lauriam isn't Marluxia

[spoiler] Nameless Star: he's changed beyond recognition...[/spoiler]

Oh... So that's what he meant....

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Well, this just got interesting. Can't wait for translations so we can understand what's going on here. And poor Lauriam, I feel sorry for the guy. Maybe this is the first step to his descent to darkness...

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I honestly think Brain is the killer and the traitor. You don't lift a hat while the camera closes in on you without having thematic importance. If he mentions the word "virus" in any context per Luxu's Secret Reports, then I'm sure we know who is the traitor.

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[spoiler]Maybe he is or maybe not. I think Strelitzia's killer is one of Luxu's many incarnations. This makes me realise one thing: what if Brain or anyone of the new Foretellers is actually posessed by Luxu?[/spoiler]

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Brain is, literally, even irl context, [spoiler]is an actual name for a computer/program virus. So yeah, he's the virus, and ironically, is the one inherited No Name, build Scala, and become Eraqus' ancestor, (you can see the similarity with Eraqus) when the other Dandelion Union leaders failed at hopping worldlines and not only stranded in timelines but also lost their memories.So yeah, he betrayed the other four, but without them, Eraqus wouldn't be, Scala wouldn't be, ironically so. Hard to say he is 100% a bad guy with that. [/spoiler]

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lol Whoops. You embedded the same video twice. XD
EDIT: Never mind!


*Brain lifts hat*

So this was what they meant by "

begin to move."

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That is a huge reach based on a simple assumption, specially since there's no translations avaiable for this scene yet. Although I do agree that he's extremely similar to Eraqus, that was my first thought when he lifted his hat.

Honestly, I'm glad for what we are getting regarding Lauriam in Union X. Marluxia always intriged me and Lauriam is by far my favorite UX character (and honestly tied with Ephemera as my favorite from the Era of Fairytales) and I'm glad I stuck by my first thought that it was far too obvious for him to be the killer while everyone else jumped to conclusions.

That aside, I'm curious to see what the translations for this are to know more about Brain, but as of now I don't think any of the 5 Dandelions is the killer nor a direct villain.

[SPOILER]Considering how each of them got their Book of Propecies, I wouldn't be surprised if there's someone else involved in this (possibly Luxu, but who knows) who impersonated Ava and gave Stretlitzia's book to one of the foretellers, making us believe one of them was the traitor when none of them are. We know from UX that at least Ava had the power to use illusions to pretend to be another foreteller, so it's not impossible for Luxu to do it.

My money is on Ventus being the one who got the stolen book, ending up in a conflict that had him portrayed as a traitor and justifying Charity's conversation in the Final World where he says he's much happier now with his new friends/life. [/SPOILER]

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That time when Union X's Story Update is very interesting, but III's Secret Ending is not quite.

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Can y’all start labelling your spoiler boxes or should I assume these are all KH3 spoilers?

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They are all KH3 spoilers, at least I haven't seen them being used for anything else.

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How annoying. Should have expected this thread would be immediately overtaken by spoilers.

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Yeah, I guess I may just not even come back to this till I'm done?

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Ventus is the traitor. That's what I think.

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Videos are up. As always, thank you goldpanner for translation <3

[video=youtube;Ax8X5An6qYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax8X5An6qYg&feature=youtu.be[/video]

[video=youtube;nyC3XXcDTS4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyC3XXcDTS4&feature=youtu.be[/video]

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Going by the translations the whole Dandelion thing seems to be just another phase of the MoM's/Luxu's plan and the new Union leaders are pawns set to fall to ruin just like the first set, the Foretellers, were.

Blaine is somehow aware of this fact and aims to change this by force, actively messing up the scenario set up by MoM and/or Luxu.

I do wonder though why he now chooses to let Skuld and Ven in on this.

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Brb, I have to go cook dinner... Tonight’s entree: my words.

Wreck-It Ralph’s story makes sense with this.

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Yeah, after watching this cutscene, it seems that Brain was not supposed to be a new Union Leader. His analogy of being a virus can be metaphoric to a foreign contaminate invading a host (or it could be a subtle parallel to King Candy being a virus for the inevitable Wreck-It Ralph world).

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Dang it!
Now I'm intrigued by Blaine's motivation and his backstory, if there is any.
Could he turn out to be an antihero or just a power-hungry maniac?

I can only hope that he's an orig character and won't turn out to be someone we're already familiar with.

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I'd also entertain the notion that he might be an Anti-Villain.
Someone who has ultimately noble/good end goals (in this case breaking the preset path of ruin the Unchained Realm of the Dandelions is supposed to be set) but does questionable or even individually evil things to reach that goal.

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Yeah, his quote makes more sense in context. I saw that last line of his on Twitter and was like "what the diddlying hell does that mean"

I see his point but he is being suspicious about it....if you guys think he isn't meant to be a leader than he would be the murderer right? I mean I still feel like he and Ven are the only ones who it could be right now. But they could do a 180 on anyone I guess.

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Not necessarily as he (or anyone who is the impostor union leader) could have received the rule book from the murderer disguising him/herself as Lady Ava and thus not knowing that he or she isn't supposed to be there.

What strikes me more unusual is that he is suddenly so open about this and totally nonchalantly tells Skuld and Ventus everything.
Either he plans to win them over, silence them immediately after or doesn't mind Lauriam and Ephemer learning of this too as one can bet that both Skuld and Ven won't be able to keep their mouths shut about something so significant at least when it comes to Ephemer.

If Blaine doesn't mind the others knowing though why didn't he wait until Lauriam and Ephemer are back too to drop the bomb and sates Ven's current curiosity with something less drastic for the time being?

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Ah right I guess I keep forgetting about that possibility. And yeah, I don't quite get why he is so open about it now either.

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Something about the Brain virus that you might not of known as well:[SPOILER]The Brain virus was not created maliciously; it was actually meant as one of the first forms of DRM. (The creators made it to stop people pirating their software, unfortunately it turned into a monster.) Which says a lot I bet about the union leaders, maybe Brain wasn't intentional in a way. Maybe he wasn't meant to be a union leader. Sources: Wikipedia and Malware Wikipedia[/SPOILER]

As it is, I wonder what this all means; I haven't beaten KH3 (tho I did not completely escape the spoilers) so I guess just hold on to our hats and find out?

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Brain/Blaine not being a malicious virus seems to be somewhat near-obvious from this UX update alone, no need to get into any KH III spoilers here.

If he is not outright lying in his statements the "Unchained Realm" in which the Dandelions and the Union leaders now reside is intended to fall into ruin and ripped apart just like the original world from Browser Chi and since this seems to be a giant data construct it seems to be an intended malicious program to lead this world to ruin as well.
In this case Brain/Blaine is strictly spoken a non-malicious virus because he intends to infect and stop a program that is already malicious by itself.

By extension this would mean that the stated intention of the Dandelions being spirited away to keep the light safe and avoid the tragedy (which the Master stated to Ava in Back Cover) is a lie.

So either the Master is playing everyone yet again or his original intention as stated to Ava is genuine and his plan got hijacked and altered by someone else.
In the original Browser Chi Ava accuses Luxu of misusing the Master's intents for his own purposes yet if I recall correctly that accusation was never confirmed nor denied either.

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Oh and you forgot a detail in the spoiler (Sometimes I edit like 5-10 times).

The Brain virus became a monster. By that I mean, it spread further than the creators's intended and created a lot of problems. The devs had put their address and phone number into the code b/c that virus was intended as DRM/a form of revenge on pirates; well, they started getting calls from as far away as the USA from a LOT of angry people. (The creators were in Pakistan)

I find that intriguing and maybe Nomura did his homework..if he did I think everyone can see where this is going.

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Since the very beginning I've agreed to the theory that none of the leaders is a traitor and the murderer just gave them the book with them thinking it was Ava instead, we've seen people with the power of illusions are able to do that as Ava did the same to Ephemera and Skuld before.


However, I disagree with everyone's guesses toward Brain just like I never considered Lauriam to be a possibility. I think most of you just jump to conclusions quite easily while the whole Chi saga has proved more than once that it's not as obvious as the main KH entrys.

Personally, my guess is that Ven is the "traitor" this time, and whenever he is exposed to this may cause him to freak out in a similar manner to what happened to Xion before. I don't doubt Ven is as good of a cinnamon bun as we always saw him as, but he still had enough Darkness in him to justify Xehanort picking him as his protegée and allowing Vanitas to be born.

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Sometimes, I just wonder why some people love to assume that because ventus has vanitas in him meaning that he must be the one killing strelitizia and said that just because the secret report said virus doesn't directly mean brain is the killer. I think the latter and the former both has not enough proof to make people jump into conclusions. I agree that there is a possibility there is a killer that is not in the group and ven maybe unconsciously become a pawn of another person but I think that doesn't have anything to do with vanitas.

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Yeah, but at this point there is not enough evidence to prove anything. That's why people throw in their ideas and theories.
What I find weird about Ventus - while we're here - is how different he acts compared to the Ventus we know from the current timeline. And of course we could say it is because Ven in current timeline doesn't have his darkness inside him, but that brings us to the question what type of person Ven was, when his darkness was still part of him.

I think making Ven the culprit, and revealing that his original personality was nowhere as nice as he is now could make his character potentially much more exciting. (and let's be honest, this game has far too many cinnamons xD)

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I explicitly said I don't think Ven is the killer, just that he is the is the fake Union Leader, and thus the one we have been refeering as the traitor.

As for Vanitas, KH3 spoilers here.

[SPOILER]The way he's written in that game specially regarding his ending and choosing to be Darkness, plus the scene in The Final World where what most assume to be Ventus's Charity saying he's better off not remembering what happened and that's he's happier now with his new friends is enough to believe there may be more to it.

Of course, Nomura may just as well write Vanitas off the story and so on, but Ven acts quite differently here and there's still a lot that went on before the baby Ven we see in this game and the Ventus who was under Xehanort's care, so expeculation is common. [/SPOILER]

Everyone is jumping to their own conclusions as there's nothing confirmed right now, but all in all I don't like how most people just write Ven off as "safe" just because he's supposeddly our Ven. Of course this doesn't include everyone here as this is one of the few places where people actually bother to learn about [Chi] and theorieze about it, but in other places like Youtube everyone just goes with Brain or even Lauriam for the ones who didn't bother to learn about his connection to Strelitzia.

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Read all the Secret Reports in KH3, it will give some more information about Union Cross.

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I unequivocally said I don't think Ven is the executioner, simply that he is the will be the phony Union Leader, and in this way the one we have been refeering as the backstabber.

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"Yet it seems that someone has pulled the old switcheroo. One of the Five is an imposter, someone the Master did not choose. They represent a virus in the program he so carefully wrote."- Unknown (Secret Report 11/KH3)
This pretty much confirms Brain is the one that took her place, and must have killed her to, unless someone else is involved.

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The secret reports also mention "the virus" splitting the characters into different world lines. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that translates to Brain being responsible for Demyx, Luxord, Lauriam, Elrena and Ventus being shot forward in time.

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Buff and tag ya dang spoikers, guys!

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Good job with not tagging spoilers, guys.

Tag that shit or don't mention it at all.

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Hmmmmmmmmmm.......

After playing KH3, and watching this update, just what is it that the MoM is trying to pull?

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[SPOILER]I think Ven kills Ephemer. We suspect that’s Ephemer’s Heartless as the Secret Boss in KH3, so it would seem that he died or was killed at some point, seemingly unlike the other Leaders. I don’t really have much more evidence for it, but I want to plant the flag in the event that I’m right.[/SPOILER]

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[spoiler]If Ven kills Ephemer wouldn't his chirithy turn into a Nightmare Chirithy? His Chirithy is still the same normal bright Chirithy at the end of KH3. I like the idea that the secret boss could have some significance to Ephemer but I haven't looked into that yet[/spoiler]

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[spoiler]From the looks of it, it looks like another form of Guardian in KH3. The Guardian where Terra fell to darkness and was possessed by Terranort. Maybe this secret boss is the heartless of someone that fell to darkness and got possessed by someone in their era. To think of it, it does look like Braig possessed ephemer, and this might be ephemer's form of guardian which would probably mean he fell to darkness as well.

So what I'm thinking is
Xehanort -> Possesed Terra -> Terranort -> Terra turns into Guardian
Braig -> Posseses Ephemer -> Epheraig / Braig in BBS -> Ephemer turns into Guardian[/spoiler]

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[SPOILER]This is the first time I hear about this theory of the secret boss being Ephemer's heartless. Or anyone's heartless, to say the least. lol. Will go look into it further to see what this fuss is about since I didn't think anything special of him before.

But I find it very unlikely for him to be Ephemer because if he was a Heartless, I don't see how he would have helped Sora and the other Lights in the Keyblade Graveyard. Yeah, Terra showed up as the Lingering Will, but we know that one is a special case.

As for Ventus, the Chiritys only fall to Darkness if their owner did as well. Killing someone doesn't necessarily means the user fell to Darkness, specially if there is context to it. Sora murdered the entire Organization (twice!!) and is still ok.
I don't think Ephemer fell to darkness nor Ventus laid a hand on him, but I think there's some merit to the theory that Braig is a grown up Brain possessed by Luxu. [/SPOILER]

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[SPOILER=KH3 & KHUx spoilers]I personally think the traitor and the killer are very much the same person: which is Brain. I think Brain killed Streritzia in order to infiltrate the Dandelions, become one of the Five Union Leaders, and find out about the information the Foretellers were privy to, and not the Union members. After that, he devised a plan to prevent history from repeating itself: an endless cycle of Keyblade Wars that would in some manner benefit what the MoM is researching. Said plan is to send everyone to a Worldline where the MoM has no control over it. When they jumped into Worldlines, I speculate they lost their memories, because Ventus lost his memories, Marluxia remembered his past after Sora defeated him in KH3, and Subject X, who could very well be Skuld, also has no memories. Ventus arrived at the Badlands; it's possible that Xigbar found Lauriam and made him a Nobody; and Skuld pulled an Apprentice Xehanort and they found her unconscious in Radiant Garden's plaza.

That only leaves us with Brain and Ephemera. Either one of these two became the inheritor of No Name. This is a matter of asking ourselves whether or not Luxu would give his Keyblade to someone that wasn't in the MoM's plan. Maybe he gave No Name to Brain in order to tangle someway into the MoM's plot? If not, then that leaves us with Ephemera as No Name's successor.[/SPOILER]

Ephemer brings Lauriam to meet Player and ask about Strelitzia. Player of course knows nothing. Lauriam leaves to meet with Elrena while Ephemer stays with Player for a while. Elrena informs him that she saw a glitched ghost of Strelitzia in her final moments. Lauriam freaks and runs in, realizes she's not there. Elrena explains she hasn't been able to trigger that glitch again. Elrena's Chirithy tells them about something he remembered in his last conversation with Strelitzia's Chirithy. Lauriam begins to suspect Brain. Skuld, Ven and Brain are back in the Foreteller's room. Ven says that Brain has been reading the Book of Prophecies for a long time, as if he's looking for something. Brain explains he's striving to achieve a goal and says that the world is proceeding on a path towards fated destruction. And that even though they've overwritten the Dandelion's memories of the Keyblade War, it doesn't change anything, but he'll become a "virus" to overwrite the "program" of that fate (random tech lingo at the end there but you get the idea). https://get-shareit.com https://get-vidmateapk.com