KH χ[chi] Development Team Report #2 - Leading to KINGDOM HEARTS 3
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- Published on November 28, 2013 @ 10:43 pm
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SQEX BRIDGE updated today with the latest development team report for Kingdom Hearts χ[chi], detailing a tremendous update over the course of December and January. With new worlds, stronger Keyblades, incredible enemies and upcoming seasonal events, you certainly won't want to miss this!
Of course, there is the matter of the message at the end of the report.
Several months ago, Series Director Tetsuya Nomura revealed that Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] would soon receive a new content update that would lead into the illustrious KINGDOM HEARTS III. There's been little information since that announcement until today, when Nomura finally spoke up again. He speaks of a mysterious passage within the Foreteller's Script that contains an important fact that leads into the conclusion of the Xehanort Saga.
In Kingdom Hearts, everything connects to the main storyline. Because of this, he urges players not to overlook Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] and to please look forward to the upcoming expansion.
You can read the full translation below, thanks to Zephyr:
Development Team News #2
Thank you for continuing to play KINGDOM HEARTS χ.
We are soon planning a huge update for KINGDOM HEARTS χ [chi] to be more enjoyable.
As it was announced before in the Hangame site, new players that will be joining in December, the structure of the game will be revised to suit both new and veteran players. In January, there will be an addition of new worlds with plenty content that will be updated sequentially.
The Development Team News #2 will introduce some of the new updated content for December and January.
※ We will notify you of any addition changes during the update.
※ The images shown are currently in development.
■ The Worlds Finally Begin to Move...
1. A Serious Story Begins!!
Five Foreseers
A War for their Land
Servants Entrusted by Chirishii
The Last Message in the Foreteller’s Script
The ultimate story will begin in December 2013.
2. Addition of a New Worlds!
● Daybreak Town
(KINGDOM HEARTS χ [chi] original New World)
● Olympus Coliseum
Released in January 2014.
3. Release the Keyblade’s Power!
● Upgrade the Keyblade to a maximum number of 10 times.
● Upgraded Keyblades look more flashier and stronger!
Released in January 2014.
4. There is something fun everyday! New features!
1. Addition of Power Accessory “Strength Bangle”
● All players will be given a Strength Bangle!
● For a certain amount of time, you can boost your attack power by defeating specific Heartless in the field.
● The Heartless in particular are switched periodically. These Heartless can appear anywhere in the field. Get help from friends and you can find them quickly!
By gathering power around various worlds, you can deal great damage to Raid Bosses.
Released in December 2013.
★ Also, you can enter worlds with party members to help defeat these Heartless more easily!! Released in January 2014.
2. Raid Boss Variant appears with New Rules
● You can get large amounts of LUX by strategically defeating these variants with your party members.
● Raid Boss Variants can appear by defeating Normal Raid Bosses.
● The more quickly you defeat Normal Raid Bosses, points for Raid Boss Variant will accumulate quickly!
Released in January 2014.
3. The “Moogle Stamp” Opens!
● Everyday you log in, you get a chance to get a Mog Medal.
● The more you login, other prizes and Limited Avatars will appear.
Released in December 2013.
4. Addition of Recycle Draw
● As previously reported, Recycle Draw is still under development.
Released in January 2014.
5. Easier Gameplay Additions!
● Alongside HIGH/LOW rendering modes for cost performance, MIDDLE has been added.
● There will be a continue option for strong Heartless you couldn’t defeat.
● More phrases for your introduction bio.
● Party join notification added.
● Attack Card Boosts also correspond with Defense.
Released in November~December 2013.
■ There are also seasonal events!
● Functionalities that were announced previously will sequentially be added.
● Get Character Cards and Avatars from seasonal events!
● To be in the event spirit, Raid Bosses are also dressed up.
Christmas event! New Years event?!
Held sequentially in December 2013.
◆ Message from the Director ◆
Thank you for your patience.
Finally, I will begin to talk about the story of KINGDOM HEARTS χ.
There is a passage written in the Foretellers’ Script.
It is an important fact that leads to KINGDOM HEARTS III.Everyone can be a character in this story and be happy to realize you can become a part of it.
In this KINGDOM HEARTS, everything is connected to the main storyline.
To all fans that have been playing the series, do not overlook this expansion in the story and please look forward to it.Also, even though we have announced plenty of additional features, there is still more to expect.
We understand that many of you may be dissatisfied but there will be many updates that will enhance the game and the staff is committed to working everyday.
Thank you in advance.
So, I’ll be waiting for you in Daybreak Town.
KINGDOM HEARTS series director Tetsuya Nomura
COMMENTS
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Enter worlds with party members visible next to you, Ah it's starting to be an actual MMO, yes gotta love being with your party members, if they add that, you think they'll add some missions for like mini sub bosses in worlds as regular missions or story missions which needs a # of party members to fight it, eh, sorry i got too excited. ah yes, Thank you for this wonderful information. :)
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I'm really hyped for the new story, finally it's getting more interesting. All praise Chirishii, the overlord of light and protector of the unions.
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Daybreak Town is going to be a legit world rather than just a hub? Yes <3 I'm hoping we see what became of it in KH3.
The Foretellers connecting the games together...I can't wait to see what the script will say.
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Oh Nomura, you just couldn't help yourself, could you?
In this KINGDOM HEARTS, everything is connected to the main storyline. To all fans that have been playing the series, do not overlook this expansion in the story and please look forward to it. |
Praise the lord, he finally said it.
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Has there already been a story in this game? Haven't been following the updates on this game so.
Anyways, Daybreak Town kinda looks like a world I wanna see in a main game, like the look of it! And the story-element leading into KH 3 sounds intriguing. I'll be keeping my eye on this mysterious "fact".
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Has there already been a story in this game? Haven't been following the updates on this game so.
Anyways, the story-element leading into KH 3 sounds intriguing. I'll be keeping my eye on this mysterious "fact".
Since the start! Mainly the five factions (Unicornis, Vulpes, Ursus, Leopardus, and Anguis) are gathering "lux" to fight against the Darkness. The concept is that the other teams are fighting against the Darkness for their own selfish reasons and you have to compete against them to save the world(s).
The Foretellers lead each faction, and then there is Chirishii (who is a little asshole) who helps out all of the Keyblade wielders on their quest to fight against the Darkness.
Each world has its own centralized story too...
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Daybreak Town is going to be a legit world rather than just a hub? Yes <3 I'm hoping we see what became of it in KH3.
A part of me really hopes that Daybreak Town might appear in KH3 now that we actually will fully get to explore it ^_^ I mean, given Chi connects to KH3 (we don't know exactly how yet) perhaps if Daybreak exists in the realm of all the worlds with these other Disney worlds, we'll get to visit it in KH3 (and see Chriishii in glorious 3D!!!).
Praise the lord, he finally said it.
And the sad part is that I doubt anyone in the casual fanbase will actually listen to that -__-
On a side note though, given they are making so much progress with this, if they were going to localize the game (hypothetically) do you guys think it would be soon? I know you can't answer that question since nobody knows but I just want it to be localized so badly that I'm willing to take anyone saying "soon" as a good answer lol
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Since the start! Mainly the five factions (Unicornis, Vulpes, Ursus, Leopardus, and Anguis) are gathering "lux" to fight against the Darkness. The concept is that the other teams are fighting against the Darkness for their own selfish reasons and you have to compete against them to save the world(s).
The Foretellers lead each faction, and then there is Chirishii (who is a little asshole) who helps out all of the Keyblade wielders on their quest to fight against the Darkness.
Each world has its own centralized story too...
Ah yes, I've known about that. Didn't know that the worlds had their own stories, though.
Also, something I just noticed now... Chirishii
On a side note though, given they are making so much progress with this, if they were going to localize the game (hypothetically) do you guys think it would be soon? I know you can't answer that question since nobody knows but I just want it to be localized so badly that I'm willing to take anyone saying "soon" as a good answer lol
Seeing how it appears to have some relevance to the main-canon, I'd say we should get it in one way or another. Would defeat the purpose of the HD remixes and all that "getting everyone ready for the final episode"-talk.
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Enter worlds with party members visible next to you, Ah it's starting to be an actual MMO, yes gotta love being with your party members, if they add that, you think they'll add some missions for like mini sub bosses in worlds as regular missions or story missions which needs a # of party members to fight it, eh, sorry i got too excited. ah yes, Thank you for this wonderful information. :)
Won't do me much good, i'm about the only Ursa here. :P
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Alas that I have no computer! D; It looks pretty interesting. I'll keep an eye open for this Foreteller info pertaining to KH3, wonder what it could be?
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On a side note though, given they are making so much progress with this, if they were going to localize the game (hypothetically) do you guys think it would be soon? I know you can't answer that question since nobody knows but I just want it to be localized so badly that I'm willing to take anyone saying "soon" as a good answer lol
"Soon" wouldn't surprise me, but "December," the date they say the story will be expanded in the current version... ugh. I was hoping the game would get this super-special info alongside the localization. Hopefully it's part of the permanent plot and not a one-time event... In fact, let's just hope all important information is part of the permanent plot and not one-time events. So far they've only given us one story segment attached to a temporary event. If they never do it again, I'll be nothing but grateful.
Really, it wouldn't be too hard to localize chi-the-flash-application because it doesn't have that much text in it compared to larger games we're used to hearing about in localization. That could maybe be done by December. But the hard part would be the real-world stuff, setting up the business side and the support side and the login side, rebalancing the game for all the new players playing in the Japanese night... who knows how long that would take. Hope they do it, of course. Hope it works out for them, too.
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Really hoping Daybreak town makes into other games later on.
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I would love to see Daybreak Town, Chirishii, or any of the foretellers appear in Kingdom Hearts III.
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all aboard the uss canon.
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do we have to play chi now or can we read the message and we will be ok? (not repeating the COM mistake)
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do we have to play chi now or can we read the message and we will be ok? (not repeating the COM mistake)
CoM was not that bad. And no, you don't have to play if you don't want to. Social browser games aren't for everybody.
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do we have to play chi now or can we read the message and we will be ok? (not repeating the COM mistake)
We'll probably make a report on the message and whatever else when it surfaces. If you don't want to or are unable to play, you should have nothing to worry about.
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CoM was not that bad. And no, you don't have to play if you don't want to. Social browser games aren't for everybody.
i meant i skipped COM and jumped straight into KH2 and got confused for it.
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i meant i skipped COM and jumped straight into KH2 and got confused for it.
Ohhh! It's not like that at all. You can skip chi if you don't want to play it. It ties in to the series, but it's certainly not a necessary thing. If you are willing to ignore that the game is in Japanese for now, you can make a Yahoo! JP account and join in. There are a bunch of people in the chi section willing to help if you need it, and it's easy to jump into.
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So much for Chi not being canon, lol, Nomura pls.
Anything relevant to the overal story (which I still hope won't be that much) I will really have to follow only with supplementary material as I really do not have the time to immerse myself into Chi at all. <__<
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So much for Chi not being canon, lol, Nomura pls.<__<
I still think that Chi is overall not canon. There was never a time in the kh-universe where people travelled around seperated worlds, met an adult hercules or fought the heartless during the keyblade-war. It's a fairytale in a book after all (I could imagine that the keyblade war was much more brutal than what is shown here). But it doesn't mean that this fairytale doesn't contain important hints and information that are important for the canon-story of kingdom hearts. Since this is a fairytale based of a past event, there are probably some events in kh-chi that are based on true (or loosely true) events.
I think that Kairi's Grandma reads this book for young Kairi, so at least this little bit could be canon.
An other idea is that maybe the author of this fairytale-book wrote on some pages important messages.
What I want to say: I don't think that Nomura lied with statemant :-)
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I still think that Chi is overall not canon. There was never a time in the kh-universe where people travelled around seperated worlds, met an adult hercules or fought the heartless during the keyblade-war. It's a fairytale in a book after all (I could imagine that the keyblade war was much more brutal than what is shown here). But it doesn't mean that this fairytale doesn't contain important hints and information that are important for the canon-story of kingdom hearts. Since this is a fairytale based of a past event, there are probably some events in kh-chi that are based on true (or loosely true) events.
I think that Kairi's Grandma reads this book for young Kairi, so at least this little bit could be canon.
An other idea is that maybe the author of this fairytale-book wrote on some pages important messages.
What I want to say: I don't think that Nomura lied with statemant :-)
Exactly, not to mention that Heartless were not widely known to the worlds before KH 1, even in BBS only a few appear and those are summoned directly by Master Xehanort himself.
The worlds were one giant world and not several and if Disney characters aren't immortal none of them should be around at all thousands of years before BBS.
As long as it remains only hints and some bit of information I'm fine with that as this can be read up in order to be kept up to date on the story.
I'm also not implying exactly that Nomura lied but that he again makes stuff unneccessarily complicated.
Last time I checked he wanted to bring the story together for the finale (which is also one of the reasons for the HD Remasters) and not expand it even further with another platform jump that is, again, japanese only.
Btw, your username really makes me laugh...
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"To all the fans who have followed this series - please don't miss out on this game which is connected to the main story :)"
"To all EU/NA/AU fans: FUCK OFF!"
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"To all the fans who have followed this series - please don't miss out on this game which is connected to the main story :)"
"To all EU/NA/AU fans: diddly OFF!"
The game is in the process of localization.
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The game is in the process of localization.
Hmm... is it "is", or "could be"? Unless I missed something, the most recent piece of news regarding localisation (http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-chi/183307-kingdom-hearts-x-chi-localization-progress.html) still didn't confirm whether or not localisation is going to take place.
Although yeah, I truly, really want to believe that it's true. After all, the cached URL did display a "localization" directory, and one of those pages has got some Japanese sentences of several conditions assigned under the "ja_JP" variable and what looks like a placeholder for their English translations under "en_US"...
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The important thing is just that they've made the motions to prepare for it. Whether something actually becomes of it is another story, but it's better than going "durr hurr fuck the western regions trolol."
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Hmm... is it "is", or "could be"? Unless I missed something, the most recent piece of news regarding localisation (http://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-chi/183307-kingdom-hearts-x-chi-localization-progress.html) still didn't confirm whether or not localisation is going to take place.
Although yeah, I truly, really want to believe that it's true. After all, the cached URL did display a "localization" directory, and one of those pages has got some Japanese sentences of several conditions assigned under the "ja_JP" variable and what looks like a placeholder for their English translations under "en_US"...
It "is" in the process of localization. We have to keep in mind that to Square Enix, as Tabata has directly said, localization does not necessarily mean release.
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It "is" in the process of localization. We have to keep in mind that to Square Enix, as Tabata has directly said, localization does not necessarily mean release.
And he certainly does know about that...Poor man. All of that work done on Type-0 and they didn't even release it. (Even though PSP games still come out every week in NA/EU lol)
So much for Chi not being canon, lol, Nomura pls.
Lol didn't you see the last update where Nomura said the next story arc in chi would tie into the canon of the series? We've known this for about a month xD
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You don't have to go outside of Kingdom Hearts to get silly localization stories. Just look at coded. coded may not be the most critical entry in the story (yet, who knows), but it was still relevant, and they were perfectly happy not just going without a localization, but releasing it systems that could never conceivably be released out of Japan to begin with! I'd like to guess at how that happened (cell phones are very popular in Japan, even though that doesn't excuse the myopia) but the whole "release three games on three systems we've never used in this series before" fiasco has never made any good business sense to me, and I've just grown to assume there's someone at SE that keeps confusing "good business" with "tacky stunts." This is another tacky stunt, in-line with SE's new tie-in game-based business model. At least I like X[chi]. Hopefully, once it's localized, other people will too.
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coded came out of some kind of arrangement on the Disney side of things (they were never very clear on the specifics though).
The DoCoMo Prime Series P-01A mobile phone however, was never very popular to begin with.
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Just look at coded. coded may not be the most critical entry in the story (yet, who knows), but it was still relevant
Well, people tend to ignore it but coded was concrete proof that non-human beings could grow hearts. We had hints of it in Days, but coded was where it was really given light. coded also set the stage for KH3D, essentially foreshadowing everything that would take place. The whole final act in Castle Oblivion was a big warning to the audience (and Mickey) to realize that there were people connected to Sora tha needed help but he shouldn't try and fix their "hurt" too fast without risking his the safety of his own self. The warning wasn't passed on to Sora properly, and thus Sora did exactly that in KH3D. He tried taking on their pain and fell into the Darkness of his heart because of it.
ANYWAYS~
| and they were perfectly happy not just going without a localization, but releasing it systems that could never conceivably be released out of Japan to begin with! |
I don't think Nomura was really TOO happy about not being able to share it with the rest of the world. He knew there were no plans to get it out, but it was probably because it was costly to localize a free mobile game that wasn't extremely popular on a fairly unpopular phone model. In order to play coded, that specific DoCoMo series which had never been released in North America needed to be owned so it also presented a technical issue that probably was costly to work...
Which is why the solution given was Re:coded on the DS.
| I'd like to guess at how that happened (cell phones are very popular in Japan, even though that doesn't excuse the myopia) but the whole "release three games on three systems we've never used in this series before" fiasco has never made any good business sense to me, and I've just grown to assume there's someone at SE that keeps confusing "good business" with "tacky stunts." |
Not exactly. The DS and PSP were really popular, so SE felt it made sense to get their big franchises out on those systems because that meant revenue and to be fair Days remains to be one of SE's highest selling DS games to date and BBS was a huge success on the PSP. Also Nintendo asked SE for a game, so they made Days.
The DoCoMo Prime Series P-01A mobile phone however, was never very popular to begin with.
Weren't people really happy to finally put them to rest?
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\Which is why the solution given was Re:coded on the DS.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Re:coded made primarily for the North American fans since we were unable to enjoy its mobile counterpart?
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I would love to see Daybreak Town, Chirishii, or any of the foretellers appear in Kingdom Hearts III.
I'd just about keel over if the foretellers were secret bosses in KH3. I mean, given this is all based on a fairytale with the KH-realm I cannot see the foretellers actually being in the game given if they were real, they'd be long dead by now, but a battle against them would just put me over the edge of ecstasy lol
The important thing is just that they've made the motions to prepare for it. Whether something actually becomes of it is another story, but it's better than going "durr hurr diddly the western regions trolol."
but going "durr hurr diddly the western regions trolol" is pretty funny.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Re:coded made primarily for the North American fans since we were unable to enjoy its mobile counterpart?
I recall that too (could be wrong) which I think further shows that Nomura felt bad about not being able to bring it anywhere outside of Japan...if that is the way it went down.
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If I recall correctly, wasn't Re:coded made primarily for the North American fans since we were unable to enjoy its mobile counterpart?
Yep. Just for us~ And then we have people who complain about it (even though it's fun and lighthearted game xD)
I'd just about keel over if the foretellers were secret bosses in KH3. I mean, given this is all based on a fairytale with the KH-realm I cannot see the foretellers actually being in the game given if they were real, they'd be long dead by now, but a battle against them would just put me over the edge of ecstasy lol
I was thinking more along the lines of seeing them in some kind of "flashbacK" as Yen Sid or another tells the story of the Keyblade War and how it relates to stopping Xehanort.
Five secret Foreteller battles would be fantastic, though! I can see some kind of time hijinks or magic allowing us to fight them. Maybe one of Merlin's time doors leads to them in Daybreak Town.
| but going "durr hurr diddly the western regions trolol" is pretty funny. |
When it is the same comment on every piece of chi news, it's not.
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Lol didn't you see the last update where Nomura said the next story arc in chi would tie into the canon of the series? We've known this for about a month xD
I did see that update, but I was more on the impression that it would be just one item/character/event that would have an actual tie to the overaching main story, not an complete story arc or all of those weird mask guys.
I was also more amused about Nomura having just brought the story together on one(two) systems and then proceed to spread out again immediately instead of at least waiting for the next saga to start.
The less dedicated fans are already sour about the story being all over the place anyways and I am not sure if the series would get away unscathed if they do such a massive spreadout of an interconnected story again.
I don't think Nomura was really TOO happy about not being able to share it with the rest of the world. He knew there were no plans to get it out, but it was probably because it was costly to localize a free mobile game that wasn't extremely popular on a fairly unpopular phone model.
Not exactly. The DS and PSP were really popular, so SE felt it made sense to get their big franchises out on those systems because that meant revenue and to be fair Days remains to be one of SE's highest selling DS games to date and BBS was a huge success on the PSP. Also Nintendo asked SE for a game, so they made Days.
If the message in the artbook of HD 1.5 is anything to go about Nomura himself is in general not happy when things are going only Japan-exclusive at least when it concerns KH.
Although it is pretty clear that Nomura is not the man who calls the shots on what is released in which region, so it's somewhat irking to see people (especially in the west) blaming him for things he hasn't really full control over in the first place.
That is reasonable, and really counts for both the DS and PSP despite what some people like to spread about the PSP not being successful.
Still, it has to be allowed to wonder why SE didn't choose a standalone (story-wise) title (like a Final Fantasy or something like TWEWY) when Nintendo asked them for a game for the DS rather than a KH-title which is known for having an interconnected story that is difficult to understand when bits are missing and instead made all three, Days, BBS and Coded for the PSP (or even PS3).
Nomura himself has admitted that the wide console jumping was a bad idea and it was one of the main and most often cited critic points of the KH series after KH 2.
I mean, given this is all based on a fairytale with the KH-realm I cannot see the foretellers actually being in the game given if they were real, they'd be long dead by now, but a battle against them would just put me over the edge of ecstasy lol
I recall that too (could be wrong) which I think further shows that Nomura felt bad about not being able to bring it anywhere outside of Japan...if that is the way it went down.
It has to be a fairytale in any case because Heartless (especially the Emblems like Guard Armor) did not really exist in the worlds of the Realm of Light back then, not to mention the many Disney characters who would have to be immortal to not only being present at that time but also in order to somehow survive the total apocalypse the Keyblade War ended with where only a few children where implied to survive.
Not to mention that according to the Legends most of the Keyblade Wielders back then were not having a friendly competition to collect Light particles but egoistical assholes who wanted the light for themselves and crafted Keyblades only to conquer Kingdom Hearts, battlling each other instead of Heartless.
As I said above with the hint to the Message in the HD 1.5 artbook, Nomura seems to feel uncomfortable with Japan-only releases for KH in general.
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Well, people tend to ignore it but coded was concrete proof that non-human beings could grow hearts. We had hints of it in Days, but coded was where it was really given light. coded also set the stage for KH3D, essentially foreshadowing everything that would take place. The whole final act in Castle Oblivion was a big warning to the audience (and Mickey) to realize that there were people connected to Sora tha needed help but he shouldn't try and fix their "hurt" too fast without risking his the safety of his own self. The warning wasn't passed on to Sora properly, and thus Sora did exactly that in KH3D. He tried taking on their pain and fell into the Darkness of his heart because of it.
ANYWAYS~
Heck, you don't need to tell me, coded is one of my favourite stories in this. But saying coded is important in the wrong parts of the internet gets ya spit-roasted so...
Anyway, as to the systems, I agree that the DS and PSP were popular in Japan, just that splitting across systems was a bad idea, and splitting a story-heavy series across five systems in the course of the last two generations (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, DoCoMo, [strike]V-CAST[/strike]) was a comical idea. I hadn't heard the DoCoMo was unpopular on top of that, sheesh. But at least that mess has mostly been rectified by re-releases, and is hopefully not about to reoccur (who... wants... an OUYA game?! :D:D). At least they were good games in the end!
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Heck, you don't need to tell me, coded is one of my favourite stories in this. But saying coded is important in the wrong parts of the internet gets ya spit-roasted so...
Good to find a coded friend-in-arms, then xD I love the game to pieces and always get sad when others don't, though I understand why they might be turned off by it.
| Anyway, as to the systems, I agree that the DS and PSP were popular in Japan, just that splitting across systems was a bad idea, and splitting a story-heavy series across five systems in the course of the last two generations (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, DoCoMo, [strike]V-CAST[/strike]) was a comical idea. I hadn't heard the DoCoMo was unpopular on top of that, sheesh. But at least that mess has mostly been rectified by re-releases, and is hopefully not about to reoccur (who... wants... an OUYA game?! :D:D). At least they were good games in the end! |
Yeah, it was...but it at least gave us some kind of story for KH3 to work towards. I think many of us would have preferred KH3 to start up its own saga of sorts, but that's okay. We've gotten some pretty interesting characters along the way...
Well, DoCoMo phones in general are well received in their market, but the specific line coded was on wasn't.
([strike]shh V-CAST never happened; Disney shouldn't have tried[/strike])
Personally hoping SE aims for multiplatform for future KH games...It's the only true solution to console spread, outside of going Sony exclusive.
I was also more amused about Nomura having just brought the story together on one(two) systems and then proceed to spread out again immediately instead of at least waiting for the next saga to start.
The less dedicated fans are already sour about the story being all over the place anyways and I am not sure if the series would get away unscathed if they do such a massive spreadout of an interconnected story again.
It's still just a fairytale. Nobody is REALLY missing out on anything by not playing chi, just this little story they can rehash in a cutscene and some secret reports in KH3 if it is THAT necessary. It's just a ploy to get people to play chi in all honesty, and one that will probably work.
| If the message in the artbook of HD 1.5 is anything to go about Nomura himself is in general not happy when things are going only Japan-exclusive at least when it concerns KH. Although it is pretty clear that Nomura is not the man who calls the shots on what is released in which region, so it's somewhat irking to see people (especially in the west) blaming him for things he hasn't really full control over in the first place. |
Yeah, it's always been obvious none of these decisions are Nomura's...but since he's the director and the only person people are familiar with, he's the perfect scapegoat to blame as sad as it is to say.
| Still, it has to be allowed to wonder why SE didn't choose a standalone (story-wise) title (like a Final Fantasy or something like TWEWY) when Nintendo asked them for a game for the DS rather than a KH-title which is known for having an interconnected story that is difficult to understand when bits are missing and instead made all three, Days, BBS and Coded for the PSP (or even PS3). |
That will always be the million dollar question.
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Yeah, coded's not for everybody, but it's a shame.
Well, DoCoMo phones in general are well received in their market, but the specific line coded was on wasn't.
Interesting, thanks!
| Personally hoping SE aims for multiplatform for future KH games...It's the only true solution to console spread, outside of going Sony exclusive. |
Tell me about it. My friend, who otherwise has every game in the series and arguably bought a PSP to do it, still hasn't played DDD. Buy a system for one game and you sort of get burned out on doing it again. We're hoping for but not counting on a near-KHIII re-release, or maybe for his bonus cheque to go to his head (his words, not mine)
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wow, this browser game is really starting to look interesting. I wonder why they never made it available to the west? Most MMO's support multiple languages, and it doesn't seem like too big a feat for square. Oh well
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I'm a bit surprised they haven't at least stated to be working on making it available for the west yet honestly.
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wow, this browser game is really starting to look interesting. I wonder why they never made it available to the west? Most MMO's support multiple languages, and it doesn't seem like too big a feat for square. Oh well
I'm a bit surprised they haven't at least stated to be working on making it available for the west yet honestly.
KINGDOM HEARTS ?[chi] Localization In Progress? - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Steps are being taken. What comes of them remains unknown.
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Well thats good to know, I'd at least like to give it a try. Would play it as it is now but I had my fill of translating with kh2fm.
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One of the new features that i just loved is being able to tag along with team members in the worlds...Thats awesome!!! =D
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One of the new features that i just loved is being able to tag along with team members in the worlds...Thats awesome!!! =D
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I was thinking more along the lines of seeing them in some kind of "flashbacK" as Yen Sid or another tells the story of the Keyblade War and how it relates to stopping Xehanort.
Five secret Foreteller battles would be fantastic, though! I can see some kind of time hijinks or magic allowing us to fight them. Maybe one of Merlin's time doors leads to them in Daybreak Town.
Honestly just getting to see them with 3D models would be enough for me if Yensid had a flashback or something but I'd personally love a battle. Not something like the FF Hades Paradox Cup in KH2 where you fight them at the same time, since then I feel like they'd all be dumbed down to make the battle easier but alone, I think they could easily be some of the hardest bosses in KH, but not the cheap kind like MF in BbS who was only difficult cause he could 1-hit KO you. I'd especially love if they all were focused on a specific stat too, but I don't want to derail this thread on my dreams for a battle with them.
It has to be a fairytale in any case because Heartless (especially the Emblems like Guard Armor) did not really exist in the worlds of the Realm of Light back then, not to mention the many Disney characters who would have to be immortal to not only being present at that time but also in order to somehow survive the total apocalypse the Keyblade War ended with where only a few children where implied to survive.
Not to mention that according to the Legends most of the Keyblade Wielders back then were not having a friendly competition to collect Light particles but egoistical assholes who wanted the light for themselves and crafted Keyblades only to conquer Kingdom Hearts, battlling each other instead of Heartless.[/QUOTE]
Given it's a child's fairytale, I cannot say I'm shocked they changed it from "egoistical assholes who wanted the light for themselves" to "a friendly competition." Have you read some of the original fairytales that the Disney ones are based on? Some things (in some cases, A LOT of things) must be changed to make it more kid-appropriate :P
On the topic of now having something else that people won't get, I still don't think the part in Chi will be a huge storyline, I'm sure whatever is covered will be recapped in KH3 relatively easily probably by Yensid since you're right, it seems pointless to say "I want all the story on one console" and then announce this.
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Information for KH3! I actually have a reason to play that game now!
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For a man who says that one of his biggest regrets with the KH series was not releasing the FM versions of KH1, KH2, and KH: BBS overseas, why is there no news or anything about a Westernized KHx anywhere? Especially when it's going to tie into KH3. I'd love to play it, but I can't speak/read Japanese lol.
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For a man who says that one of his biggest regrets with the KH series was not releasing the FM versions of KH1, KH2, and KH: BBS overseas, why is there no news or anything about a Westernized KHx anywhere? Especially when it's going to tie into KH3. I'd love to play it, but I can't speak/read Japanese lol.
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Never saw that, thanks! No matter how much I looked for news on it, I could never find it. Now I can stop complaining about it lol.
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Hey wait a minute kupo1121, if what you're saying is correct, and the Keyblade Wars were more of a, well, "war" than a series of friendly competitions, wouldn't that mean that Chi is actually a Disneyfication of the actual Keyblade Wars?!
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No guys. Disney is peachy keen with war and death and violence.
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i really hope they translate the game so we be able to play it!!!
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Hey wait a minute kupo1121, if what you're saying is correct, and the Keyblade Wars were more of a, well, "war" than a series of friendly competitions, wouldn't that mean that Chi is actually a Disneyfication of the actual Keyblade Wars?!
Kind of. I don't think by "war" I mean bloody, gruesome violence, but definitely more violent than teams fighting with each other to win a few ethers and such. It's a different spin on what actually happened, kind of how like Disney's Pocahontas is a take on what actually happened (and is quite different with the same outcome).
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Hey wait a minute kupo1121, if what you're saying is correct, and the Keyblade Wars were more of a, well, "war" than a series of friendly competitions, wouldn't that mean that Chi is actually a Disneyfication of the actual Keyblade Wars?!
As Master Spockanort and Kupo pointed out it's more of a light hearted, non-canon, take on what actually happened. As in the real keyblade war we know that the destruction was so great that the Xblade shattered, kingdom hearts itself fell into darkness, the worlds was more or less destroyed and all that was left of anyone was children of unspecified number.
It was said children that reshaped the world and given the current role of the keyblade their also likely the ones to re-purposed it into it's current role since we know the original wielders weren't for protection of light or helping in general.
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Good to find a coded friend-in-arms, then xD I love the game to pieces and always get sad when others don't, though I understand why they might be turned off by it.
Yeah, it was...but it at least gave us some kind of story for KH3 to work towards. I think many of us would have preferred KH3 to start up its own saga of sorts, but that's okay. We've gotten some pretty interesting characters along the way...
Personally hoping SE aims for multiplatform for future KH games...It's the only true solution to console spread, outside of going Sony exclusive.
It's still just a fairytale. Nobody is REALLY missing out on anything by not playing chi, just this little story they can rehash in a cutscene and some secret reports in KH3 if it is THAT necessary. It's just a ploy to get people to play chi in all honesty, and one that will probably work.
Yeah, it's always been obvious none of these decisions are Nomura's...but since he's the director and the only person people are familiar with, he's the perfect scapegoat to blame as sad as it is to say.
That will always be the million dollar question.
Going by this I wonder if Coded would have got the same amount of flak/negligence if it was released on a home console. Just like BBS and Days as well, many of those who refuse to acknowledge the three handheld titles (I'm not speaking of those who cannot afford the whole shtick financically) do so just because they do not have a roman numeral and are not on a home console, which is why I am partially glad that Nomura apparently wants to abolish the whole "numbered titles"-mess altogether after KH III.
On that I would dare to assume that many more people would probably be more willing and accepting towards the story established to work towards KH III if it had been easier accessible, which leads again to the huge spread out. The HD Remasters are an awesome step towards rectifying this issue, although it's a tad unfortunate that it comes right at the crossroads between two console generations with no true compatibility involved. Many possible buyers of the Remasters may simply not get to play it because they don't see a reason to buy a PS3 this late in the generation when the PS4 is already there.
That said, I have not yet seen how well HD 1.5 ReMix did worldwide in sales numbers, although I did see advertisement for it even here in Germany in a popular Disney Comic Magazine.
Multiplatform would certainly the way to go, but seeing the developers (and Nomura's) strive to get the best possible fancy technology this would prove to be a hindrance as they then have to make the KH title in question for the lowest common denominator, as in optimized for the console with the weakest specs in the bunch.
Ah, I see, well that does make more sense. Considering that in the last big Famitsu survey, fans voted "the story" to be the most intriguing part of the series, it is not too surprising that they would jump on that to gather more interest for Chi from a marketing perspective.
On the other hand though it's a bit pitiable that apparently there cannot be a true KH spin-off title detached completely from the plot where people can really have just fun without having to worry about any story-threads.
If they would make something like Kingdom Karts, I bet they would throw some story-connection in even there. :rolleyes:
True, true, makes me want to facepalm more than once when I read such stuff and is also why I normally avoid "normal" western gaming sites or Youtube comment sections.
That's a million no one will ever win I'm afraid. <__<
Nonetheless I do hope that Nomura and SE learned from the first time they made these mistakes and even if the story is not planned out from begin to finish, they do plan the organisation and distribution of the second saga better than the first.
Honestly just getting to see them with 3D models would be enough for me if Yensid had a flashback or something but I'd personally love a battle. Not something like the FF Hades Paradox Cup in KH2 where you fight them at the same time, since then I feel like they'd all be dumbed down to make the battle easier but alone, I think they could easily be some of the hardest bosses in KH, but not the cheap kind like MF in BbS who was only difficult cause he could 1-hit KO you. I'd especially love if they all were focused on a specific stat too, but I don't want to derail this thread on my dreams for a battle with them.
Given it's a child's fairytale, I cannot say I'm shocked they changed it from "egoistical assholes who wanted the light for themselves" to "a friendly competition." Have you read some of the original fairytales that the Disney ones are based on? Some things (in some cases, A LOT of things) must be changed to make it more kid-appropriate :P
On the topic of now having something else that people won't get, I still don't think the part in Chi will be a huge storyline, I'm sure whatever is covered will be recapped in KH3 relatively easily probably by Yensid since you're right, it seems pointless to say "I want all the story on one console" and then announce this.
Yen Sid having a flashback? Lol, not even Yen Sid is that old. Even he only knows the time of the Keyblade War only as a legend, so if anything, after re-reading that part of Nomura's message. It seems that indeed only the "message" left by the Foretellers may play an important role and not the characters themselves (who should also be dead for thousands of years, mind you).
I believe that's what's commonly called "whitewashing", lol. Although I do agree that's most likely the central reason, other than that, much of the lore of the true events may also have got simply lost over all those centuries, even Master Xehanort only knows bits and pieces which he collected together during years of travel through countless worlds in his younger years after he left Land of Departure.
On that I'll say one should wait and see, although you really cannot blame people for getting concerned (even if it's overreacting a bit) considering their track record so far. Then again, the importance of the storyrelevant stuff in Chi might be even less crucial than Coded all in all, and all of the concern would have been misplaced anyways. :D
For a man who says that one of his biggest regrets with the KH series was not releasing the FM versions of KH1, KH2, and KH: BBS overseas, why is there no news or anything about a Westernized KHx anywhere? Especially when it's going to tie into KH3. I'd love to play it, but I can't speak/read Japanese lol.
Err, maybe because Nomura is not the one who makes the call on what gets localized and what not?
He may express wishes to have something brought over to the west, but in the end it is the higher-ups at Square who decide that.
Considering what a hit Final Fantasy Type-0 was in Japan and the great demand voiced in the west it is a shame that there is still no western release for it.
As Master Spockanort and Kupo pointed out it's more of a light hearted, non-canon, take on what actually happened. As in the real keyblade war we know that the destruction was so great that the Xblade shattered, kingdom hearts itself fell into darkness, the worlds was more or less destroyed and all that was left of anyone was children of unspecified number.
It was said children that reshaped the world and given the current role of the keyblade their also likely the ones to re-purposed it into it's current role since we know the original wielders weren't for protection of light or helping in general.
Yep, correct. That is also something that has to be taken note of, as it was said that the current main "purpose" for protecting the light and the worlds for the Keyblade was only coined and established after the Keyblade War, which indicates that the purpose for the Keyblades before was just to conquer the light and for selfish reasons.
It's funny that even the designs of at least the Keyblades of the Foretellers reflect that as I notice, they all have the "evil eye" somewhere incorporated in their Keyblade designs, maybe that's a subtle warning on where their real allegiance and ambitions lie?
That they all hide their faces behind masks also rises suspicions.
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Yen Sid having a flashback? Lol, not even Yen Sid is that old. Even he only knows the time of the Keyblade War only as a legend, so if anything, after re-reading that part of Nomura's message. It seems that indeed only the "message" left by the Foretellers may play an important role and not the characters themselves (who should also be dead for thousands of years, mind you).
Sorry lol I didn't mean Yensid having a flashback to when he was in the keyblade war (since he most likely was not unless he's some immortal being), I meant more like he speaks about it (what he knows) and the on-screen cutscene flashes back to show the war.
And the Foretellers should be dead so I agree that, story-wise, the message will most likely be the important part (a message that hopefully can be explained in KH3 for those missing out on Chi) but for boss fights, I'm all for lingering sentiments. Completely ignoring the whole "death in KH is different concept" I'm totally down for fighting the union leader's sentiments.
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It's funny that even the designs of at least the Keyblades of the Foretellers reflect that as I notice, they all have the "evil eye" somewhere incorporated in their Keyblade designs, maybe that's a subtle warning on where their real allegiance and ambitions lie?
That they all hide their faces behind masks also rises suspicions.
Exactly even Yen Sid points out that "heroes" of the keyblade didn't appear till the war was over and given how the current world structure is set up (i.e. keyholes, lanes, etc) are all build around the keyblade and it's abilities.
A likely assumption I'd say since the eye is present on the keyblades of people such as Xehanort's and Vanitas' keyblades.
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