GNN: Saving Aqua, Seven Hearts, Summary Movie releasing this month
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GNN, a Taiwanese animation and games community website, had the opportunity to interview Tetsuya Nomura about KINGDOM HEARTS 3 at E3 2018. This is part of the same roundtable interview that other sites have participated in, so we have isolated the information that has not been repeated elsewhere.
They asked Nomura about Aqua's appearance in the E3 trailers, and if the other two protagonists from Birth by Sleep would also appear. He answered saying that almost all major characters that have appeared in the last 15 years will appear in Kingdom Hearts 3.
Fans were distraught after learning that Aqua had fallen into darkness. While he can't disclose any spoilers, it doesn't mean she cannot be saved. Everyone will just need to try their best when the time finally comes.
GNN also inquired about how many original worlds there are. As seen in previous titles, original worlds are divided into two categories: "where the player can go" and "where the player cannot go". For example, the scene where Axel talks to Kairi takes place in a location that players cannot access. There are also areas that only appear once in the entire game, so there are plenty of new environments to look forward to.
In previous titles, the Seven Princesses of Heart were a key element in the storyline. The latest trailers made no clear indication of gender with the new Seven Hearts, but Nomura clarified that after much consideration, they have decided to not include any men among them.
Finally, regarding the issue of new players having difficulty in understanding the story (previously reported by Mobile01), the team has been preparing a movie that will summarize the story thus far, in order to provide players with a crash course in everything they need to know for Kingdom Hearts 3. The Japanese version has already been recorded, so the movie will probably be released sometime this month. It will be available both on the official website and in the game when it releases. Because so much has happened throughout the series, even this summary may end up quite long.
Source: GNN
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Okay so we can rule out any boys among the new hearts of pure light. Though I wish he elaborated a bit more on why decided to have new ones in the first place, lol
This confirms that whatever they are, they're gonna be incorporated with the new worlds. So think of females with pure hearts whether as leads or supporting parts in a world.
Thiose would bbe your best bebt at the last 2.
I think Tiana is a sure bet now. I do still think The Jungle Book has a good shot at KH3. Though I think Atlantis and Brave are possibilities as well.
It could also be a curve ball and we can get soemthing like Robin Hood with Maid Marian.
This confirms that whatever they are, they're gonna be incorporated with the new worlds. So think of females with pure hearts whether as leads or supporting parts in a world.
Thiose would bbe your best bebt at the last 2.
I think Tiana is a sure bet now. I do still think The Jungle Book has a good shot at KH3. Though I think Atlantis and Brave are possibilities as well.
There is also possible canidates in San Fransokyo. The female members Honey Lemon and Gogo Tomago
There is also possible canidates in San Fransokyo. The female members Honey Lemon and Gogo Tomago
I wouldn't define either of those as pure hearts.
I consider people like Tiana, Merida, Kida, Maid Marian, and Shanti(The Jungle Book) pure hearts.
There's still hope for TJB. It has to get in, every world Nomura has x'ed out in the past has gotten in. This is the only one left.
I wouldn't define either of those as pure hearts.
I consider people like Tiana, Merida, Kida, Maid Marian, and Shanti(The Jungle Book) pure hearts.
There's still hope for TJB. It has to get in, every world Nomura has x'ed out in the past has gotten in. This is the only one left.
Yeah but PoH isn't just limited to royalty or official Disney princesses. Kairi and Alice are proof of that. Really the new ones could be any possible female character.
Yeah but PoH isn't just limited to royalty or official Disney princesses. Kairi and Alice are proof of that. Really the new ones could be any possible female character.
He didn't speak about royalty or official Disney Princesses, but about the fact that he doesn't consider the hearts of these girls pure enough.
TbH I'm a tiny little bit bummed that they're yet again completely excluding boys from being possible candidates as if it is impossible for a male to have a fully pure heart by natural means.
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Also this supposed summarization movie may end up being several hours long?
Yikes, does that mean Lord of the Rings-esque length?
Well, hopefully it will clear up things better than Back Cover did *derp*
Even as someone who knows the lore quite extensively, I am super hyped for this summary movie! Always cool to get the facts straight from the source and hearing how they explain it. And seeing that it may be several hours long, I would expect nothing less from this series haha.
Destiny Islands better be a place that we can actually visit. I bet it won't be though, Pirates of the Caribbean will count as the beach place.
Also... The 7 lights are still going to be all female... We'll have Rapunzel, Kairi, Elsa or Anna, Boo, and then now I'm lost for the last 3. That means that the last 2 Disney worlds would have to include female characters, therefore the last worlds have got to be Atlantis (Kida) and The Princess and the Frog (Tiana)... Or am I totally reaching? Haha!
Not sure how I feel about the new Princesses but "seven hours long Kingdom Hearts summary movie" I'm interested. Like this sounds like it was made for me.
Anyways, hearing that they're going to be new princesses, I think our list might look something like:
[LIST=1]
[*]Anna/Elsa
[*]Rapunzel
[*]Jessie
[*]Vanellope (because Ralph is here and Wreck-it Ralph is coming to KHUx which has so far exclusively been Princess of Heart worlds)
[*]Tiana (Because at this point Princess and the Frog is a gimme with the plot we know of.)
[*]Kida (Atlantis) is my wishful one here.
[/LIST]
I think seven will probably be a KH original girl, though who it is depends on how the Ux characters are introduced because there are at least a few different characters from the series I could see having this role tbh.
I think seven will probably be a KH original girl,
Calling it, the new seventh will be Strelitzia. ;P
Hercules could have been the perfect prince of heart. The heck was the decision process like for the males lol
I'm excited to see this official recap video. It was neccesary and I'm glad it'll be included in-game. And it's coming soon? I'll watch it every day until January 25th.
On the topic of having only women in the new 7, remember only Alice, Jasmine and kiiinda Belle had their films represented in KH1. I would not expect a chosen representative from every or even most worlds. And reps from movies not in the game aren't out of the realm of possibility.
GNN also inquired about how many original worlds there are. As seen in previous titles, original worlds are divided into two categories: "where the player can go" and "where the player cannot go". For example, the scene where Axel talks to Kairi takes place in a location that players cannot access. There are also areas that only appear once in the entire game, so there are plenty of new environments to look forward to.
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The one piece of info I didn't want to hear. I hate when they do that, it was one of the things in KH II that pulled me out of the immersion real fast. It was okay when it was Disney Castle back in KH1, but somehow I fear here is going to be more frustrating than that.
TbH I'm a tiny little bit bummed that they're yet again completely excluding boys from being possible candidates as if it is impossible for a male to have a fully pure heart by natural means.
What tree is Nomura barking up? I want an equal inclusion of pure hearts. Damn you Nomura!
Bet his going to include that wee scottish brat.
Boo can't be a princess of heart?
I would hope that an original princess of heart would be a completely new character from an original world.
I would hope that an original princess of heart would be a completely new character from an original world.
*Looks up at previous posts*
Calling it, the new seventh will be Strelitzia. ;P
Completely new, like, introduced in KH3.
I am interested in dat summary movie. If it is several hours long, I'd better get some popcorn.
And about Aqua, SHE BETTER BE SAVED OR SO HELP ME BY THE SPIRIT OF MOTIVATION I WILL--*crash*
I’m guessing maybe since the Organization is almost entirely male, they figured having the seven pure hearts be female balances the gender ratio a bit more. But I wish there had been one guy among them to change it up.
I kind of think Kairi will still be one of them. Even though she is a fighter now, it would give her more of a reason to be engaged by Xehanort. I feel like they should explore how she is both Princess of Heart and a Guardian of Light to make her unique among both groups. Also, it would make the fight 13 vs 13, evening the odds a bit.
My list is:
Anna
Elsa
Rapunzel
Tiana
Kida
Minnie
Kairi
Other thoughts: If this is where Kairi and Lea are training, I wonder if that means we won’t be playing as either of them since it is an inaccessible location?
I was wondering if the movie will be clips from past games or something built from the ground up. If it is that long, it’s probably just clips from the old engine.
Wouldn't someone like Kida, who actually bonded with the heart of her own world be pretty high in the list of targets?
That's not something you see happening everyday. It's also a two in one sale..when she bonded with the heart, it was incredibly easy for rourke and his men to capture her, seal her up and vamoose.
But will it actually be a movie with new clips and stuff or just something like characters recapping events through voice over with little to no new visuals?
Kairi, Anna, Elsa, and Rapunzel have been confirmed as being pure hearts in a Famitsu interview with Nomura! It also says that Anna and Elsa will not be party members, but Marshmallow will be able to assist you.
https://s.famitsu.com/news/201806/15159233.html
Brave is looking likely as the last Pixar world. I'm hoping Lilo is a 7 Pure Heart with a Hawaii world.
Kairi, Anna, Elsa, and Rapunzel have been confirmed as being pure hearts in a Famitsu interview with Nomura! It also says that Anna and Elsa will not be party members, but Marshmallow will be able to assist you.
https://s.famitsu.com/news/201806/15159233.html
If Kairi is part of both groups of Princesses/Pure Hearts and the other "old" Princesses don't automatically lose their status we will be at 13 of them in total:
Alice - Jasmine - Belle - Aurora - Cinderella - Snow White - Kairi - Rapunzel - Elsa - Anna - ? - ? - ?
Was it ever anywhere confirmed in in-game material or interviews that the number of pure hearts cannot exceed seven at all or is it just that during the time period between BBS to DDD there definitely weren't more than seven?
How the hell is Elsa a pure heart... I'd think she would be the perfect person to risk having darkness take over her. There goes an Elsa boss fight I guess.
Google translate says that only Kairi still holds that position, the rest are new.
How the hell is Elsa a pure heart... I'd think she would be the perfect person to risk having darkness take over her. There goes an Elsa boss fight I guess.
In the trailer Larxene explicitly states something about Elsa "choosing" Light or Darkness so maybe these new pure hearts are different in the vein that they aren't "pure" from the get-go and there is some magic in play that keeps them pure once the decision is made.
Google translate says that only Kairi still holds that position, the rest are new.
Agrabah deconfirmed. Also Nomura wouldn't outright deconfirm a Wreck-It Ralph world.
If Kairi is part of both groups of Princesses/Pure Hearts and the other "old" Princesses don't automatically lose their status we will be at 13 of them in total:
Alice - Jasmine - Belle - Aurora - Cinderella - Snow White - Kairi - Rapunzel - Elsa - Anna - ? - ? - ?
Was it ever anywhere confirmed in in-game material or interviews that the number of pure hearts cannot exceed seven at all or is it just that during the time period between BBS to DDD there definitely weren't more than seven?
It could be. The only thing it would interfere with is the light of the x-blade splitting into seven to protect the seven pure hearts. I’m wondering if the title is something that gets passed down with each generation, helping our timeline problem a bit? Like once the previous princesses have their happy ending, they essentially retire from their duties of protecting the worlds with their light. Then new Princesses rise to take their place. I really like the idea of our Guardians and Princesses equaling the number of the Organization, as well as the typical total of Knights of the Round. (Special link attack please? Lol)
I just hope this means we might see these characters outside of their own worlds, tying them more into the wider plot.
How the hell is Elsa a pure heart... I'd think she would be the perfect person to risk having darkness take over her. There goes an Elsa boss fight I guess.
Maybe they’re exploring the concept that someone can become pure of heart rather than always being that way. In my opinion, that’s a stronger message anyways.
Maybe they’re exploring the concept that someone can become pure of heart rather than always being that way. In my opinion, that’s a stronger message anyways.
A stronger message that gets immediately dimmed since yet again only females are viable for it.
Edit:
Waaait, Waait, Nomura not so long ago stated we'll feel the influence of the Union Leaders from Ux somehow in KH III.
In order to fulfill his plan Xehanort could also go after the Princesses and he already knows who they are from KH 1 on.
So what if the Union Leaders have something to do with "shuffling" the Princess-pure-powers (PPP) around so that Xehanort cannot get an instant win by simply targeting the already known Princesses?
There goes my theory of Ven being one of the New Seven Hearts.
I also recently read about a Famitsu interview on Reddit that Elsa was debunked as a potential party member. That's kind of a shame, I thought she'd make a natural teammate.
A stronger message that gets immediately dimmed since yet again only females are viable for it.
Edit:
Waaait, Waait, Nomura not so long ago stated we'll feel the influence of the Union Leaders from Ux somehow in KH III.
In order to fulfill his plan Xehanort could also go after the Princesses and he already knows who they are from KH 1 on.
So what if the Union Leaders have something to do with "shuffling" the Princess-pure-powers (PPP) around so that Xehanort cannot get an instant win by simply targeting the already known Princesses?
Yeah, I really wish they would have gone with a slightly different concept. Like hearts of pure balance. People who have been in darkness, but found their light. Like Meg, Flynn, Elsa, Riku, etc.
I think with the natural course of life, the lights would change. There could definitely some force that caused this to happen.
I hate it when there's areas I can't explore! Grrrr.... Well, wherever Lea and Kairi are, could this maybe explain why their scene was CG? Like, maybe unvisitable areas get the Visual Works treatment, so the KH staff can spend more time on the parts that are.
Also bummed that there's no dudes among the new seven hearts. Herc and Ven-Ven would have been perfect candidates and would've been nice variety. I'm curious how the decision process went.
So the summery movie could be super long, huh? Well, it's Kingdom Hearts. XD Kind of excited we're getting this straight from the source and curious if any of their explanations will be different from how we've seen it from our perspective.
So we have three more PoH to go. Guess that will decide the basis for two of the last three Disney worlds. I like Sephiroth's Idea of Strelitzia being one of them.
So we have three more PoH to go. Guess that will decide the basis for two of the last three Disney worlds. I like Sephiroth's Idea of Strelitzia being one of them.
Strelitzia is intresing choiece we still dont the mystery could it contuin e into kh3?
Yeah I figured we would see her in some form in KH3. Her being a new PoH would be a twist no one was expecting.
Yeah I figured we would see her in some form in KH3. Her being a new PoH would be a twist no one was expecting.
I hope she is (Also just really want to see her in HD). I just wouldn't want to see the rest of the PoH being almost all expected Popular Disney females.
I still don't understand why there are 7 new princesses of heart? As far as we know the old ones are still out and about, so what on earth is the point?
I still don't understand why there are 7 new princesses of heart? As far as we know the old ones are still out and about, so what on earth is the point?
Honestly, a plot convienience to target more casual female fans. Though I wonder how the game is going to address the original Princesses of Hearts retiring their mantle?
I still don't understand why there are 7 new princesses of heart? As far as we know the old ones are still out and about, so what on earth is the point?
It is highly unlikely that Cinderella and the others have been alive since the x-blade was first shattered and the light split into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world at that time. It isn’t that unreasonable to believe the role of Princess of Heart is passed down much like the ability to wield the Keyblade is.
This the first time the idea of being more than 7 POHs existing in the series, hell no one talks about the idea outside the joke of Prince of Lights
I wonder if the "7 Pure Hearts" isn't dissimilar to the Kingdom Key choosing Sora over Riku. Not that the previous 7 Princesses of Heart lost their worth, but that the powers at be within Kingdom Hearts decided that it was best for the universe of Kingdom Hearts to disperse the Seven Lights among other worthy candidates.
Either way, i'm sure they'll give solid and meaningful explanation to this in January!
Completely new, like, introduced in KH3.
The last thing Kingdom Hearts 3 needs is brand new characters being introduced for the very first time, in my opinion. We have enough on the table as it is.
I think we may be jumping the gun just assuming Elsa, Anna, and Rapunzel are PoH? It just says candidates right? It depends on what the plot involving them this time is, because even with Elsa and Anna free to be kidnapped or something, Rapunzel can't really be as she will need to be chilling in Corona waiting for SDG to come back at a moment's notice to grind or do side-quests
This confirms that whatever they are, they're gonna be incorporated with the new worlds. So think of females with pure hearts whether as leads or supporting parts in a world.
Thiose would bbe your best bebt at the last 2.
I think Tiana is a sure bet now. I do still think The Jungle Book has a good shot at KH3. Though I think Atlantis and Brave are possibilities as well.
It could also be a curve ball and we can get soemthing like Robin Hood with Maid Marian.
The first game only had us go to two worlds with the original princesses so I dunno if we can expect to actually go to even half the new one's worlds tbh.
In the trailer Larxene says beings of pure light, but in the interview it says a new generation of Princesses, which don't seem to be exactly the same thing.
I could see Boo being a pure light, but not a Princess of Heart.
And in the interview it says Elsa, Anna, and Rapunzel are being targeted as candidates, not that they are confirmed to be members- the only confirmed one as of now is Kairi, which makes sense. I could see Larxene and even SDG thinking only of Elsa and then having Anna be kidnapped right under their noses, as I can't see Elsa being one nor could I see Frozen having 2 out of the 6 Disney ones. And I think Rapunzel is bound to be one, as well.
Tiana, Kida, Vanellope, and Merida are all options in my opinion, regardless of whether it's pure lights or Princesses, and I've seen Minnie and Strelitzia in theories around, which could also be possible, especially Minnie.
Honestly, I'm kinda excited to see this lengthy summary movie. I just hope it's like a huge cutscene with KH3 graphics and not just pictures with text or voiceover. But I'd also be fine if it was just pics but the pics were iconic scenes with KH3 graphics.
| GNN also inquired about how many original worlds there are. As seen in previous titles, original worlds are divided into two categories: "where the player can go" and "where the player cannot go". For example, the scene where Axel talks to Kairi takes place in a location that players cannot access. There are also areas that only appear once in the entire game, so there are plenty of new environments to look forward to.] |
I sort of figured. There are many areas in the Kingdom Hearts series that are cutscene only and you can't explore.
I don't think Elsa will be a princess, Anna will. Elsa's struggle could be seen as a struggle with darkness (notice the interesting cut of Sora stating he wouldn't let her fall to darkness and then it cuts to Aqua, who has fallen to darkness)
I think Larxene has been following Anna (Sora asks if she's been following her, though he doesn't say which sister, it makes sense for it to be Anna since Anna is doing all the adventuring).
Boo is a possible princess as well. Kairi, I don't think her status as a princess has been revoked.
- Anna
- Boo
- Kairi
- Rapunzel no doubt imo
So there's 3 left.
I don't think Elsa will be a princess, Anna will. Elsa's struggle could be seen as a struggle with darkness (notice the interesting cut of Sora stating he wouldn't let her fall to darkness and then it cuts to Aqua, who has fallen to darkness)
I think Larxene has been following Anna (Sora asks if she's been following her, though he doesn't say which sister, it makes sense for it to be Anna since Anna is doing all the adventuring).
Boo is a possible princess as well. Kairi, I don't think her status as a princess has been revoked.
- Anna
- Boo
- Kairi
- Rapunzel no doubt imo
So there's 3 left.
You bet your ass I'm gonna save Aqua! I'll do everything in my power to do so! Can't let my waifu be taken by a bald old man!
On a more serious note though, having read the translations, I'm surprised Nomura said "Player's efforts" in regards to saving Aqua. It's interesting and by his comment, it almost sounds like we have an option to not save Aqua from the Darkness. Hmm... Need more information!
nomura already said in fmitsu intreive that kairi rpaunzel,ela and anna are candiates
Being a candidate does not mean you are one. It means it's a possibility. Elsa's story lends itself to a struggle between light and darkness. Larxene even implies as much. A princess of heart wouldn't have such a struggle since they don't have darkness in their heart. Anna is most likely to end up being the princess of heart.
Being a candidate does not mean you are one. It means it's a possibility. Elsa's story lends itself to a struggle between light and darkness. Larxene even implies as much. A princess of heart wouldn't have such a struggle since they don't have darkness in their heart. Anna is most likely to end up being the princess of heart.
I think Boo is a bit too young to be considered a canidate. I figure Xehanort would try for maidens much older.
I mean, Kairi was 4 when she was chased by unversed attracted to her pure light (and her light naturally repelled them away from her if they got too close). I don't think age matters.
I mean, Kairi was 4 when she was chased by unversed attracted to her pure light (and her light naturally repelled them away from her if they got too close). I don't think age matters.
I mean, Kairi was 4 when she was chased by unversed attracted to her pure light (and her light naturally repelled them away from her if they got too close). I don't think age matters.
Alice was also pretty young compared to the other women in KH1. Plus, having a child be a "pure light" would make sense. I could see it happening.
"Ven, I'm sorry... I might not make it back as soon as I thought. But I promise I'll be there, one day, to wake you up."
Brave is looking likely as the last Pixar world. I'm hoping Lilo is a 7 Pure Heart with a Hawaii world.
Brave's too thematically similar to Tangled. All the worlds confirmed thus far have drastically different environments. The Princess and the Frog definitely seems to be the more viable candidate to complete the Disney Revival Princess trifecta.
Brave's too thematically similar to Tangled. All the worlds confirmed thus far have drastically different environments. The Princess and the Frog definitely seems to be the more viable candidate to complete the Disney Revival Princess trifecta.
Agreed, Brave would probably consist of the castle and the forest, something that Tangled already covers. Personally, I think it's best to leave Toy Story and Monsters Inc as the Pixar films, we really need some 2D films to be featured. PatF seems very likely now, with another 2D world.
Someone somewhere said Princess and the Frog probably hasn’t been shown yet because it could be taking longer to build the world in 3D than worlds that were originally in 3D. There was probably a lot more design work that had to go into it. Also, it could be one of the late game worlds, which would be appropriate as Dr. Facilier would naturally make a pretty strong boss battle.
Since it has a darker aesthetic and would probably be the home of a Jack Skellington summon and/or Haunted Mansion attraction flow, it would make a lot of sense to reveal it at TGS when Disney is kicking off their Halloween festivities.
Honestly, I might be a little salty if it isn’t included. It was the film that started the Disney Revival and opened the door for all these other properties in the game. Like Alpha Baymax mentioned, it, Frozen, and Tangled are currently the big three of Disney Princess films. Anna, Elsa, Rapunzel, and Tiana are basically the modern Aurora, Cinderella, and Snow White.
Maybe Keith David being in square-enix presents has more implications to it then we thought.
I think The Princess and the Frog would actually be a good addition to the game but I doubt that it'll make it. Was it popular in Japan? I think that they'd want to include a more well known film, they'll probably go for The Jungle Book but I have no idea what light would come from that world. Maybe Tiana will just appear in Radiant Garden or something.
If Princess and the Frog doesn't make it as a world, they should make Tiana the owner of the Twilight Town restaurant where Remy appears.
Someone somewhere said Princess and the Frog probably hasn’t been shown yet because it could be taking longer to build the world in 3D than worlds that were originally in 3D. There was probably a lot more design work that had to go into it. Also, it could be one of the late game worlds, which would be appropriate as Dr. Facilier would naturally make a pretty strong boss battle.
Since it has a darker aesthetic and would probably be the home of a Jack Skellington summon and/or Haunted Mansion attraction flow, it would make a lot of sense to reveal it at TGS when Disney is kicking off their Halloween festivities.
Honestly, I might be a little salty if it isn’t included. It was the film that started the Disney Revival and opened the door for all these other properties in the game. Like Alpha Baymax mentioned, it, Frozen, and Tangled are currently the big three of Disney Princess films. Anna, Elsa, Rapunzel, and Tiana are basically the modern Aurora, Cinderella, and Snow White.
That is a great thought on why it hasn't been shown! It's not like the 3D films and even PotC where everything can just be put into a game space, the 2D films have to completely reworked into 3D, characters and all. The thought of it housing some more of the darker summons and attraction flows is also a great thought, would make a lot of sense aesthetically.
And I will also be disappointed if it's not in, it has massive potential and would be a huge miss if it's not a world, especially with that villain.
Saving Aqua is literally the only thing that matters lol
I don't think anybody ever questioned that Aqua would be saved. That's not the problem.
It's the fact that being saved this way doesn't do anything for her as a character. She gets to be a trophy for somebody else to claim when they finally free her from the darkness. I can already see it;
"Thanks Terra. Without you, I would have been lost to the darkness forever. You're the real Keyblade Master. Here; Eraqus would have wanted you to have this."
Saving Aqua is literally the only thing that matters lol
Completely true. I need this ;n;
I don't think anybody ever questioned that Aqua would be saved. That's not the problem.
It's the fact that being saved this way doesn't do anything for her as a character. She gets to be a trophy for somebody else to claim when they finally free her from the darkness. I can already see it;
"Thanks Terra. Without you, I would have been lost to the darkness forever. You're the real Keyblade Master. Here; Eraqus would have wanted you to have this."
I mean it’s weird for her character already to be in the darkness as is. Especially with the hope Mickey and ansem both gave her and with Aqua just being aqua. But her saying thanks to someone saving her and all that I don’t see that as a problem really.
Yeah I understand the hate it get to aqua into darkness aqua but honestly we should seen it coming though
Especially with the hope Mickey and ansem both gave her and with Aqua just being aqua.
Is it really that hard to see that 0.2 (and Blank Points) deliberately gave her those hope spots in order to have them coming crashing down on her shortly afterwards in order to punch more cracks into her defenses?
Especially in 0.2 none of the hopes she gets awarded last.
The more often you get a person to get their hopes up and then dash them, the more you drive them towards despair.
Yeah I understand the hate it get to aqua into darkness aqua but honestly we should seen it coming though
True and they did show cracks in Aqua heart in 2.8 she was doubting herself any chance she got until she got that hope and at the end of the game she had so much hope to even call herself a wayfinder if anyone where to come to the RoD. So I mean it could have gone anyway really.
But her saying thanks to someone saving her and all that I don’t see that as a problem really.
It's about the fact that somebody else's arc gets propped up on the basis of her getting dragged down.
Basically she gets to be victimized so somebody else can play hero. Probably Terra or Sora, maybe Riku/Mickey. Aqua gets nothing out of this.
Is it really that hard to see that 0.2 (and Blank Points) deliberately gave her those hope spots in order to have them coming crashing down on her shortly afterwards in order to punch more cracks into her defenses?
1) Yes.
2) To what end? We got the resolution to her conflict with the darkness surrounding her in 0.2; by which I mean, we got the same ending we'll get even after she's saved/purified in KH3. She'll come out of it a "strong" warrior of light who, you know, just needed somebody else to come around and fix her problems. It's a reset button for her character arc: I don't see how Aqua is developed as a character through her corruption by darkness, or how the story of KH is advanced in any meaningful way. If anything, it represents a regression for her. It is possible to set up a bad arc.
Is it really that hard to see that 0.2 (and Blank Points) deliberately gave her those hope spots in order to have them coming crashing down on her shortly afterwards in order to punch more cracks into her defenses?
Especially in 0.2 none of the hopes she gets awarded last.
The more often you get a person to get their hopes up and then dash them, the more you drive them towards despair.
I feel you on that man. It’s what I said in my next post kind of. But all I’m saying is the ending of 2.8 had aqua being that light in the darkness for anyone else to get screwed over. I feel like It’s more then she just finally gave in it to the darkness or she just had cracks in her heart.
It's about the fact that somebody else's arc gets propped up on the basis of her getting dragged down.
Basically she gets to be victimized so somebody else can play hero. Probably Terra or Sora, maybe Riku/Mickey. Aqua gets nothing out of this
I feel like Riku and Mickey are going to be the ones that save her but we knew they were maybe gonna do that for awhile. Also in BBS it’s self Aqua made sacrifices that literally screwed her over in more ways then one. That says a lot about her character right there. But thinking about it now all of the BBS from what your saying is in the same boat. None of them would benefit from being saved. But that’s just the story they need to be saved.
Also question why do you think terra will save aqua.
You know, even though I'm excited about the princesses of heart returning to KH and utilizing princesses who weren't used, I think it would have been interesting to have a male version of the line. That would mean Ventus could have been used either way by Xehanort to complete the 13 v. 7 equation as either a GoL or a new pure heart. I'm going to fan out and theorize what a male list could've looked like:
Ventus
Hercules
Aladdin (Diamond in the Rough)
Peter Pan (He's kind of awful in the movie, but his world/situation is unique, that he would fit)
Quasimodo
Arthur from The Sword in the Stone (like the male version of Alice in the first PoH lineup)
Will Turner or Milo Thatch
Anyway, as for areas/worlds only seen in cutscene, I'm not surprised. There are so many locations that could be involved with the plot that there's no way they all could be playable. Cutting a chunk of them down to cutscene-only (maybe scenes where we catch up on what Riku and Mickey are doing in those worlds?) was something I expected.
Also in BBS it’s self Aqua made sacrifices that literally screwed her over in more ways then one.
Sacrifices she chose to make and which were representative of her commitment to doing what's right in the same vein that Sora chose to sacrifice himself for Kairi and was placed in a position of vulnerability because of it. But it was true to his character and true to his arc, and it strengthened his relationship to Kairi in the same way that Aqua has made choices consistently that reflect her character and deepen our understanding of her role. With this, we have two ways of looking at it:
1) Aqua chose to be evil. Good luck rationalizing that.
2) Aqua was forcibly corrupted. So she's no longer an active participant in her own story, she's a plot device being acted upon by external forces with no voice in her own destiny. She isn't experiencing the consequences or fallout of her own actions so she can't learn anything meaningful about it, and we can't learn anything meaningful about her from it, because it isn't her own conflict. It's somebody else's plot needing her to be this way.
But thinking about it now all of the BBS from what your saying is in the same boat. None of them would benefit from being saved.
Correct, which is why this isn't the story BBS set up. Terra, if he's even still a SoD, is obviously going to be a participant in regaining his freedom; that was the whole point of Blank Points, that he is actively resisting the darkness which he is accountable for helping to unleash, building on the central conflict which defined his arc in that game. Ven also made a choice to fracture his heart in order to prevent Vanitas from merging with him and allowing Xehanort to have his way; his connection to Sora gives him a wider vantage point in terms of the series' mythology and there are myriad potential directions to take his character once his heart and body are reunited.
BBS is a tragedy of errors, but it isn't mean-spirited. All of its characters are doomed from the outset, but with ample opportunity to learn and grow from their mistakes-- their flaws define their arcs. KH3 is turning that on its head, into this kind of silly dramatic overreach where nobody ever gets better and everything always gets worse without anybody ever earning their hardship.
Also question why do you think terra will save aqua.
Because I think that Nomura thinks that will "redeem" him in the eyes of the audience, making him an Official Good Guy, even though that's literally not the lesson of his story in BBS. The only person Terra needs to save is himself.
Sacrifices she chose to make and which were representative of her commitment to doing what's right in the same vein that Sora chose to sacrifice himself for Kairi and was placed in a position of vulnerability because of it. But it was true to his character and true to his arc, and it strengthened his relationship to Kairi in the same way that Aqua has made choices consistently that reflect her character and deepen our understanding of her role. With this, we have two ways of looking at it:
1) Aqua chose to be evil. Good luck rationalizing that.
2) Aqua was forcibly corrupted. So she's no longer an active participant in her own story, she's a plot device being acted upon by external forces with no voice in her own destiny. She isn't experiencing the consequences or fallout of her own actions so she can't learn anything meaningful about it, and we can't learn anything meaningful about her from it, because it isn't her own conflict. It's somebody else's plot needing her to be this way.
Correct, which is why this isn't the story BBS set up. Terra, if he's even still a SoD, is obviously going to be a participant in regaining his freedom; that was the whole point of Blank Points, that he is actively resisting the darkness which he is accountable for helping to unleash, building on the central conflict which defined his arc in that game. Ven also made a choice to fracture his heart in order to prevent Vanitas from merging with him and allowing Xehanort to have his way; his connection to Sora gives him a wider vantage point in terms of the series' mythology and there are myriad potential directions to take his character once his heart and body are reunited.
BBS is a tragedy of errors, but it isn't mean-spirited. All of its characters are doomed from the outset, but with ample opportunity to learn and grow from their mistakes-- their flaws define their arcs. KH3 is turning that on its head, into this kind of silly dramatic overreach where nobody ever gets better and everything always gets worse without anybody ever earning their hardship.
Because I think that Nomura thinks that will "redeem" him in the eyes of the audience, making him an Official Good Guy, even though that's literally not the lesson of his story in BBS. The only person Terra needs to save is himself.
Yea number 1 is really out of character but number 2 has to be it.
And I agree with you on KH3 making it seem like everything can only get worst and nothing can get better, 100% agree. I hope though in the actual game it’s not like that really and that’s just what we are being shown in trailers.
Ok I see on the terra thing, yea I think that would be a stupid move on Nomura part if he has Terra save Aqua. Riku literally yelled at Mickey about leaving her there. I don’t have a problem with Sora saving her but I feel like that spot should be saved for Riku.
As seen in previous titles, original worlds are divided into two categories: "where the player can go" and "where the player cannot go". |
You know, I see a lot of people talking about the worlds they want, but I think the worlds that are cutscene only goes over their heads.
My dudes, Land of Departure is
donezo. That scene where we see young Eraqus and young Xehanort playing chess? Totally CGI, which should indicate it's cutscene only. If anything, Castle Oblivion might be playable, but then again that too might be cutscene only. (sorry if this seems obvious)
You know, I see a lot of people talking about the worlds they want, but I think the worlds that are cutscene only goes over their heads.
My dudes, Land of Departure is
donezo. That scene where we see young Eraqus and young Xehanort playing chess? Totally CGI, which should indicate it's cutscene only. If anything, Castle Oblivion might be playable, but then again that too might be cutscene only. (sorry if this seems obvious)
Wasn’t it confirmed that scene actually takes place in Cable Town? The same room that some exclusive concept art showed Sora in? He also said that some areas would only be visited once. Castle Oblivion is a prime candidate for that as Aqua could change it back to Land of Departure during the course of the story.
Aqua repeatedly put everyone else before herself. That shit ain't healthy. Self sacrifice doesn't always end with a big reward.
Along with that, there are many people that Aqua helped in her mission... Someone may get an opportunity to return the favor.
It's perfectly servicable and inoffensively written.
Aqua repeatedly put everyone else before herself. That shit ain't healthy. Self sacrifice doesn't always end with a big reward.
She made the best of a series of bad situations, and was literally condemned to KH Hell for 10 years for the sin of being too nice (well, not really, she needed to learn a lesson from the RoD which she did in 0.2), at any rate I wouldn't call that "a big reward."
Along with that, there are many people that Aqua helped in her mission...
Without ever usurping their arcs with hers. Everyone in BBS shares the blame, and the consequences, for what happens; they all have a hand in their own outcomes, and the potential to shift the direction of their individual and collective narratives.
KH3, from the glimpses we've gotten into it so far, wants certain characters to have that chance, and will waste other characters if it means making that happen. Cynical and lazy.
She made the best of a series of bad situations, and was literally condemned to KH Hell for 10 years for the sin of being too nice (well, not really, she needed to learn a lesson from the RoD which she did in 0.2), at any rate I wouldn't call that "a big reward."
Without ever usurping their arcs with hers. Everyone in BBS shares the blame, and the consequences, for what happens; they all have a hand in their own outcomes, and the potential to shift the direction of their individual and collective narratives.
KH3, from the glimpses we've gotten into it so far, wants certain characters to have that chance, and will waste other characters if it means making that happen. Cynical and lazy.
I’m sorry but I feel like your assessment is making a lot of judgement based on 15-20 seconds of footage. While it’s acceptable to express concerns and whatnot, we must realize we have no idea where this game will take these characters outside of these short scenes. It just seems many people are judging all this way too hard and fast when we don’t know the context. Trailers are designed to only show a little piece of information, but not how it fits into the story as a whole. They are absolutely capable of telling a compelling story by taking Aqua down this road. We just have to wait and see what they do with it.
I’m sorry but I feel like your assessment is making a lot of judgement based on 15-20 seconds of footage. While it’s acceptable to express concerns and whatnot, we must realize we have no idea where this game will take these characters outside of these short scenes. It just seems many people are judging all this way too hard and fast when we don’t know the context. Trailers are designed to only show a little piece of information, but not how it fits into the story as a whole. They are absolutely capable of telling a compelling story by taking Aqua down this road. We just have to wait and see what they do with it.
Yea I’m pretty sure they will be able to tell a compelling story with Aqua going down this road but man at the same time it sucks that it has to be her though.
We just have to wait and see what they do with it.
I disagree. Trailers and teasers exist specifically to provide an audience with an idea of the framework and concepts being put to use within a story. There are a confluence of factors leading me to believe that KH3's writing is following in the footsteps of previous, flawed narrative installments like DDD; the Aqua problem is just a leading example of that.
Of course other people might have a different reaction to the trailer and they're entitled to that. That's why we discuss it and share our differing perspectives. I get the sense you wouldn't be cautioning someone who expresses a positive impression of this storyline that they're reaching a judgment too fast; that's just positivity bias. People want to believe this game is good, and so do I, but I'm not willing to ignore all of the signs that indicate there are serious problem with it when they arise. I'd prefer to keep my standards high and my expectations measured.
I disagree. Trailers and teasers exist specifically to provide an audience with an idea of the framework and concepts being put to use within a story. There are a confluence of factors leading me to believe that KH3's writing is following in the footsteps of previous, flawed narrative installments like DDD; the Aqua problem is just a leading example of that.
Of course other people might have a different reaction to the trailer and they're entitled to that. That's why we discuss it and share our differing perspectives. I get the sense you wouldn't be cautioning someone who expresses a positive impression of this storyline that they're reaching a judgment too fast; that's just positivity bias. People want to believe this game is good, and so do I, but I'm not willing to ignore all of the signs that indicate there are serious problem with it when they arise. I'd prefer to keep my standards high and my expectations measured.
The trailers are not in context. There are grains of information we can gather from them, but they are not telling us how they fit into the story. We have yet to get a true story trailer, only short scenes of vague information that do little but show us the characters we’ll be seeing.as I said, you’re free to express your concerns. But labeling the story of the game as poorly written when you haven’t read the script is presumptuous.
I’d say the same thing to anyone saying the opposite that KH3 is going to be the best written game of the series. We only have characters and ideas of plot points. We don’t know how the game is written outside of the leaked Toy Story cutscenes, which actually has pretty decent writing in my opinion. But even those don’t say much about the main plot.
Those who see the potential in the plot points we’ve seen does not mean they have lower standards than yours. It just means they see the possible storytelling potential, of which there is plenty with Aqua exploring her darkness.
What about the possibility that that's just a phantom or illusion to throw Riku and Mickey off?
I noticed that her chest straps were a dark purple rather than pink. If we've learned anything about Terra becoming Terranort, your clothes don't change color upon being possessed.
So it could just be an updated version of Phantom Aqua or something.
Trailers exist to tease you. Sometimes, they take a scene and put it entirely out of context to confuse or surprise the audience. How many movie trailers were completely different from the plot? I mean, not even movies. Even video game trailers can deceive, including KH ones. I remember having a bajillion theories about previous KH trailers (specifically BbS) and the only one that was right was who Vanitas looked like based on 3 points of his bangs.
I love Aqua. I think they can tell an interesting story with this potential twist and I can't wait to see how it plays out. To me, Aqua's arc has always been her accepting that light and darkness must be in balance, you can't have one without the other. In BbS, darkness basically ruined her life by affecting her friends so negatively. She pushed Terra away unintentionally because Eraqus taught them darkness is bad no matter what.
How will being swallowed in darkness herself change her opinion?
What will the key peeps do to rescue her from the herself?
How will she contribute to the final fight whether she's on the light or dark side?
These are things we do not know and cannot guess or assume from 2-3 spoken lines and Aqua turning towards the camera. We don't know, and they probably won't show anything else about her to make sure we stay in the dark. Aqua finally has her own personal arch-nemesis that isn't shared with Ven or Terra, her enemy is her "other self" twisted and changed by the darkness. Like, when phantom Aqua appeared, I was SO happy and excited. It was so cool to see Aqua struggling with the insecurities she had in the previous games:
[LIST]
[*]She wouldn't call herself master until the final fight possibly because she felt she didn't deserve her title
[*]She felt uncertain about their future
[*]She thought maybe her friends hated her
[*]She thought maybe she still didn't do enough or care enough for her friends so her heart was empty like a demon,
[*]She was constantly on the edge of just giving up because maybe fighting wasn't worth it
[/LIST]
That's just a few of the things phantom Aqua told her. There's way more in the actual battle like "Ven will never wake up.". There was something about Terra, and the worlds falling to darkness, all sorts of things building up in her. And these insecurities from BbS and 0.2 were NEVER addressed. This is what happened when she told someone her feelings:
She tries to blow it off (just like Mickey did) and that just doesn't work. Didn't work for Riku as we saw throughout the whole series. Definitely wasn't going to work for her, especially not in the dark realm. Mickey encountering her gave her the strength to fight for a little longer, but it was going to catch up to her eventually.
I guess, while my heart breaks for Aqua, I'm not actually surprised her story has taken this turn. I've been rping this exact situation with Aqua for years. Even before 0.2 came out, me and a friend of mine -played with the idea that Aqua would develop a darker side or the darkness would literally create a darker version of her (like anti form or something) and force her to face her insecurities from Birth by Sleep. I mentioned how excited I was for Phantom Aqua and that is exactly why. My friend and I screamed because our idea was basically canon, we weren't wrong in trying to address Aqua's problems from BbS. Now, turns out or RP is even more right with her fall to darkness. I mean, we didn't think she'd get norted (and not 100% positive that she is), but still.
Aqua deserves some development too. Yes, her character has a stain now, but it's not like she's a princess of heart with a pure heart or anything. She is just as vulnerable as Sora in DDD (I loved that development too). I think she may still be the light in the darkness (I've theorized that Mickey found her by following her familiar light like he did in 0.2, but ends up encountering Aqua like that) I want to see Aqua rip into people she thinks has done her wrong, I want to see how twisted her feelings have become because of the darkness, and I can't wait to see her get a wake up call and return to the path she set out for herself.
Sora is supposed to save her, but I think there's more to it than that. We saw how strongly Ven reacted to Vanitas. I really want to see his reaction to Aqua, and how Ven will contribute to saving her if it comes down to that. That potential role reversal is MUAH, beautiful. And Lingering Will?? Not sure how that would turn out. I want to see the two people she gave up everything for give something back and revitalize her light.
We don't know what's going to happen, and her "going to the dark side" doesn't automatically erase her character, her struggles, or her motives. It's a character development that has the potential to be amazing. I think Nomura knows how much we care... (maybe..........), so I don't think he's only using Aqua for shock value.
The trailers are not in context. There are grains of information we can gather from them, but they are not telling us how they fit into the story. We have yet to get a true story trailer, only short scenes of vague information that do little but show us the characters we’ll be seeing.as I said, you’re free to express your concerns. But labeling the story of the game as poorly written when you haven’t read the script is presumptuous.
Obviously my reaction is extrapolated from just the information we have available, I don't think that needs to be stated. I'm arguing that if this analysis holds true, the game is poorly written, and I've provided the reasons why I believe that to be the case. I'm not making offhanded, random assertions; I've provided clear structural metrics grounded in material derived from the series itself for why I feel the way I do, although I don't have the time or energy to rehash every argument, every time. I am concerned about what we have seen so far for the reasons I have provided. I don't know how to be more clear or straightforward about this.
I’d say the same thing to anyone saying the opposite that KH3 is going to be the best written game of the series. We only have characters and ideas of plot points. We don’t know how the game is written outside of the leaked Toy Story cutscenes, which actually has pretty decent writing in my opinion. But even those don’t say much about the main plot.
We don't need any of that to start driving at the basic sense of the what the game is doing or where it's headed. Members on these forums have been able to piece together entire KH plot lines from beginning to end with nothing but a couple of trailers and pre-release interviews, and even then nobody is claiming to have that all worked out at this stage, least of all myself. But I'm sure we can all imagine a story revelation, even a brief one in a quick teaser, that would cause us to question or perhaps even challenge the direction it represents for the plot, or that would make it difficult for us to believe that anything good can come from it. I feel that way about Aqua, I feel that way about the New PoH, and I feel that way about most of what we've seen in terms of the writing in Toy Story.
Those who see the potential in the plot points we’ve seen does not mean they have lower standards than yours. It just means they see the possible storytelling potential, of which there is plenty with Aqua exploring her darkness.
I'm not saying they have lower standards, just that I disagree with their assessment. My standards have to do with my own personal relationship to the series, I don't expect others to follow them or know what they are, that's why I take the time to explain my perspective to the best of my ability. I don't believe there is any net positive value to making Aqua a darkness, and I'll stand by that unless and until I come across a persuasive counterargument.
I don't feel any concern about taking a hardline approach to this because I'm not afraid of being proven wrong. Being wrong would be wonderful in this situation. And I think that's the difference between how you and I are looking at this; you want to be cautious about making assertions that might not hold true, but I'd rather make them and see what kinds of conclusions they lead us to regardless of the ultimate outcome. Like maybe let's contemplate what it would mean if KH3 turns out to be a really bad game that does everything wrong? Or even just dialogue about what it would take for that to happen? I think those are worthwhile conversations, but to each their own.
Trailers exist to tease you. Sometimes, they take a scene and put it entirely out of context to confuse or surprise the audience. How many movie trailers were completely different from the plot? I mean, not even movies. Even video game trailers can deceive, including KH ones. I remember having a bajillion theories about previous KH trailers (specifically BbS) and the only one that was right was who Vanitas looked like based on 3 points of his bangs.
I love Aqua. I think they can tell an interesting story with this potential twist and I can't wait to see how it plays out. To me, Aqua's arc has always been her accepting that light and darkness must be in balance, you can't have one without the other. In BbS, darkness basically ruined her life by affecting her friends so negatively. She pushed Terra away unintentionally because Eraqus taught them darkness is bad no matter what.
How will being swallowed in darkness herself change her opinion?
What will the key peeps do to rescue her from the herself?
How will she contribute to the final fight whether she's on the light or dark side?
These are things we do not know and cannot guess or assume from 2-3 spoken lines and Aqua turning towards the camera. We don't know, and they probably won't show anything else about her to make sure we stay in the dark. Aqua finally has her own personal arch-nemesis that isn't shared with Ven or Terra, her enemy is her "other self" twisted and changed by the darkness. Like, when phantom Aqua appeared, I was SO happy and excited. It was so cool to see Aqua struggling with the insecurities she had in the previous games:
[LIST]
[*]She wouldn't call herself master until the final fight possibly because she felt she didn't deserve her title
[*]She felt uncertain about their future
[*]She thought maybe her friends hated her
[*]She thought maybe she still didn't do enough or care enough for her friends so her heart was empty like a demon,
[*]She was constantly on the edge of just giving up because maybe fighting wasn't worth it
[/LIST]
That's just a few of the things phantom Aqua told her. There's way more in the actual battle like "Ven will never wake up.". There was something about Terra, and the worlds falling to darkness, all sorts of things building up in her. And these insecurities from BbS and 0.2 were NEVER addressed. This is what happened when she told someone her feelings:
She tries to blow it off (just like Mickey did) and that just doesn't work. Didn't work for Riku as we saw throughout the whole series. Definitely wasn't going to work for her, especially not in the dark realm. Mickey encountering her gave her the strength to fight for a little longer, but it was going to catch up to her eventually.
I guess, while my heart breaks for Aqua, I'm not actually surprised her story has taken this turn. I've been rping this exact situation with Aqua for years. Even before 0.2 came out, me and a friend of mine -played with the idea that Aqua would develop a darker side or the darkness would literally create a darker version of her (like anti form or something) and force her to face her insecurities from Birth by Sleep. I mentioned how excited I was for Phantom Aqua and that is exactly why. My friend and I screamed because our idea was basically canon, we weren't wrong in trying to address Aqua's problems from BbS. Now, turns out or RP is even more right with her fall to darkness. I mean, we didn't think she'd get norted (and not 100% positive that she is), but still.
Aqua deserves some development too. Yes, her character has a stain now, but it's not like she's a princess of heart with a pure heart or anything. She is just as vulnerable as Sora in DDD (I loved that development too). I think she may still be the light in the darkness (I've theorized that Mickey found her by following her familiar light like he did in 0.2, but ends up encountering Aqua like that) I want to see Aqua rip into people she thinks has done her wrong, I want to see how twisted her feelings have become because of the darkness, and I can't wait to see her get a wake up call and return to the path she set out for herself.
Sora is supposed to save her, but I think there's more to it than that. We saw how strongly Ven reacted to Vanitas. I really want to see his reaction to Aqua, and how Ven will contribute to saving her if it comes down to that. That potential role reversal is MUAH, beautiful. And Lingering Will?? Not sure how that would turn out. I want to see the two people she gave up everything for give something back and revitalize her light.
We don't know what's going to happen, and her "going to the dark side" doesn't automatically erase her character, her struggles, or her motives. It's a character development that has the potential to be amazing. I think Nomura knows how much we care... (maybe..........), so I don't think he's only using Aqua for shock value.
Reading this post literally gave me hope that Aqua is just not completely screwed, that there are multiple ways that Aqua can be saved. And That maybe in the end she will be fighting on the side of light. However I don’t think Nomura knows how much we all care about Aqua because there is no Way he thought the big reveal of this recent trailer was frozen and not Aqua falling into darkness. How do you not know one of your characters is that popular and would get a reaction the way it did.
Idk I just think game narratives mostly exist to create a chain of conflicts for the player to deal with. If Mickey and Riku just went to the dark realm, which is supposed to be the most dangerous horrible place ever, and experienced no conflict and saw Aqua just waiting there like "hey boys" I'd probably be pretty annoyed. Like, if you didn't think something like this would happen, what were you expecting, exactly?
Idk I just think game narratives mostly exist to create a chain of conflicts for the player to deal with. If Mickey and Riku just went to the dark realm, which is supposed to be the most dangerous horrible place ever, and experienced no conflict and saw Aqua just waiting there like "hey boys" I'd probably be pretty annoyed. Like, if you didn't think something like this would happen, what were you expecting, exactly?
That does make a lot of sense to me, like if you can't just walk into Modor why can you just walk into RoD and be cupcakes and rainbows happy time. I like this idea, and the fact that he says can be saved gives me hope that maybe there's something that you can do wrong and then she'll join the side of darkness instead of light. Like in KH 2 if you did the world order wrong you could screw yourself into getting the visit 1 level jumped and making it way harder, except this time it actually means something.
That does make a lot of sense to me, like if you can't just walk into Modor why can you just walk into RoD and be cupcakes and rainbows happy time. I like this idea, and the fact that he says can be saved gives me hope that maybe there's something that you can do wrong and then she'll join the side of darkness instead of light. Like in KH 2 if you did the world order wrong you could screw yourself into getting the visit 1 level jumped and making it way harder, except this time it actually means something.
But then we have two timelines of story. One is canon and the other isn’t. I think that would be pretty dumb to do.
But then we have two timelines of story. One is canon and the other isn’t. I think that would be pretty dumb to do.
Yeah, it would have non-canon consequences in the event that they don't implement a system in future games that reads that decision in your KH 3 save, but I've been a fan of games like Mass Effect for a while and think it's interesting when there are future consequences for your actions. The fact this is a JRPG also makes that possibility extremely highly improbable and unless we've got an infinite improbability drive lying around we aren't going to see branching/splitting timelines in a series known for a heavily scripted story. But, hey, we can dream can't we?
Yeah but PoH isn't just limited to royalty or official Disney princesses. Kairi and Alice are proof of that. Really the new ones could be any possible female character.
we still dont know who kairi was in her past, her mysterious mysterious past
however ienzo seems to taken up the reigns of the kingdom, which is giving me FF withdrawls
we still dont know who kairi was in her past, her mysterious mysterious past
however ienzo seems to taken up the reigns of the kingdom, which is giving me FF withdrawls
We saw one scene of Sora talking to him via communicator about something he'd be knowledgeable in. It's a pretty big stretch to immediately assume he's taken over as ruler.
Brave is looking likely as the last Pixar world. I'm hoping Lilo is a 7 Pure Heart with a Hawaii world.
I always felt that Lilo and stitch should have a world in the later KH games, since BBS explores the opening from the movie (stitch as a prisoner in the spaceship). It would be natural progression having the rest of the movie as a world, right?
I still don't understand why there are 7 new princesses of heart? As far as we know the old ones are still out and about, so what on earth is the point?
I think the real reason is because... In KH1, the princesses of light all get together in the last world/ending. So it is that feeling that all world you previously visited are now in danger or present in some way. I think it'll probably be the same in KH3 - if not at the ending, at least in some important plot point in the game: at least one character per-world will be present asking for help or providing it.
2) Aqua was forcibly corrupted. So she's no longer an active participant in her own story, she's a plot device being acted upon by external forces with no voice in her own destiny. She isn't experiencing the consequences or fallout of her own actions so she can't learn anything meaningful about it, and we can't learn anything meaningful about her from it, because it isn't her own conflict. It's somebody else's plot needing her to be this way.
I don't think that Aqua being a obstacle/plot device diminishes or regresses her arc as a character. Just because Sora/Ventus/whatever can play the hero and save her, doesn't mean her story ends at this point in the game. She would still be a hero after that and would still be someone meaningful to the plot of the game and her arc by her own merits and attitudes.
The Aqua reveal made me love her character a lot more then I had previously. She was so kind, so humble, did everything for her friends, for people in general. She sacrificed herself to the realm of Darkness, held out for so long, but finally succumbed to the darkness. Now it is her turn to be helped.
But it is also good because the consequences of almost everything she did had positive side affects. She saved Kairi, helped make Sora a hero (move over Phil) and is still protecting Ven to this day. Aqua is one of the most interesting and best characters in KH (imo) and I believe she will continue to prove this point through KH3 and beyond.
Wasn’t it confirmed that scene actually takes place in Cable Town? The same room that some exclusive concept art showed Sora in? He also said that some areas would only be visited once. Castle Oblivion is a prime candidate for that as Aqua could change it back to Land of Departure during the course of the story.
I think you're right? I couldn't find the confirmation material. I just was always under the impression it was Land of Departure.
They said places you can only visit once. One of them has to be Winter Arendelle.
The Summary Movie was released:
[video=youtube;Vge1sM938DM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vge1sM938DM[/video]
They said places you can only visit once. One of them has to be Winter Arendelle.
I took that as places like Castle Oblivion or the Realm of Darkness that won't just be worlds. I also think the gimmick in Arendelle is shield surfing so I don't think they will get rid of the ability to do so.
kirabook
June 15, 2018 @ 06:40 amOffline