olette look so adwoable a and cant wait to hear justin cowden again

The new area looks cool and interesting.

HPO getting new outfits before donald and goofy lmao

Omg, I just saw someone make a meme where they all were wearing plaid, and Ollette does have plaid pants lol.

I dig their designs. I need to look at the background more, but I liked what I saw of Twilight Town.

the game looks better and better with every trailer, also nice to see them back.

The minigames hella remind me of the old Sonic portable games McDonalds had in their kids meals WAYYYYYYYY back when so that's nice from a nostalgia perspective. Looks fun. Still wish Command Board could have come back in some compacity. I loved that minigame

Sorry the OP is very lacking. I'll beef it up in a bit! It came when I was in the middle of doing the Make Your Mark article :x

Nice little trailer I guess.

Oh it's nice that they updated Twilight Town. Gives me hope we will actually see the beach this time.

The TT Gang back with some new threads! My god, look at how much more detail is in the plaza! Ahhh TT is going to be beautiful!

Can we take a min to appreciate how good Sora looks at the end. Like the best he's looked so far.

I wish they kept their color palettes. I don't really like that everyone's just wearing plaid and black/red now...

Hooray! My precious Heinous Pencil Omelet are back <3

I'm just in love with the NPCs in the background and I'm wondering how they tore down part of the town to build that big ass restaurant (since this game takes place, what, a few months after KH2?). It's French so Remy the rat probably works there.

We have come full circle.

Not sure if that was wishful thinking or a playful joke, but given Remy is located at Disney's Epcot in the France restaurant, I can totally see all the mice being like the Dalmatians in KH1 but in Twilight Town vs Traverse Town. Sora collecting ingredients from foreign worlds to give to Remy to fulfill recipes.

Also, I'm getting serious Downtown Disney or theme park Main Street vibes from this trailer (all good things...).

Is this the first original music for KH3 or has that track been used before? Any ideas what Sora mouths at the end?

No wonder we only saw a bit of Twilight Town in previous trailers. It was getting a redesign!

Also it might just be the lighting again but do Sora's eyes look like blue-green Mako Energy eyes or is it just me?

"Destroy the patriarchy"


to me they look super blue. in fact when i first saw it i was like "well that should settle people's green eyes theory" lol

I’d accept that. Lmao.

The reasons I’m interested are A) to know whether that is English or Japanese mouth animations and B) why they would show that but not have it voice acted or subtitled. If it’s the English lip animations, maybe they didn’t want this to be the first time we hear the game in English.

I'm glad HPO got new clothes but.. why do even they get new clothes yet Donald and Goofy don't xD meh other than that it's fine I guess. Twilight Town looks amazing. Thr mini games look kinda boring to me but we're gonna see about that once the game comes out

Over 20 of these mini-games? I can't wait to try them all!

Donald and Goofy look PERFECT. Super interested in the redesign of Twilight Town. Those trees came outta nowhere xD

I think they're the japanese mouth animations. the animations are the same in the japanese ver of the trailer anyway

Wow that song is epic, no two ways about it.

I kind of wish they hadn't changed HPO's outfits.

Anyone, these new mini-games look fantastic!

Eh I think Nomura just likes Donald and Goofy's clothes as they are and has no real need to change them.

Personally i think it would be cute if they had clothes matching with Sora like Riku and Mickey.

This is too awesome. I love the Game & Watch inspiration behind it. Simply genius.

I can also smell the high score requirements for trophies and achievements from miles away lol.

Prepare to kiss Ultima goodbye.

I’d find it odd then that they wouldn’t have it audible as every other trailer (even ones revealed in the US) has had the Japanese voice acting. Surely Twilight Town has been recorded in Japanese since its early on and has featured voice acting in previous trailers. Idk. It’s just weird that they wouldn’t let us hear what he says in Japanese and subtitle it like before. Unless it’s somehow a one line spoiler, which I doubt given the context of the scene.

Idk. I just have a feeling that could be an English scene. The Japanese channel may have used the same version because there wasn’t much of a point in changing that scene when the line itself is probably not that important.

EDIT: Also, all the menu options are in English as well which could be a clue that this is an “English” trailer. Although, I think what we see of the Classic Kingdom is the Union Cross build and not the KH3 build, so it could be totally unconnected.

So, the Moogle Shop is still there. At least the building is the same. The armor shop is now a restaurant, but this doesn't neccearily mean there are no armor in the game. What interests me more is the new sign that is where I think the old accessary shop was. Looks more like a gummi shop?

I think it's just inaudible because he isn't saying anything that particularly great lol, and they just want the focus on the music and sounds and the minigames.

the minigames being in english doesn't say much. i'm pretty sure they're always in english. the giantland screen from the d23 in development vid wasn't in japanese. they actually do like using english for stuff like this.

I don't think they included dialogue because dialogue wasn't important to the clip. It ultimately doesn't matter what Sora says, and whatever he does say is probably just a line that will be repeated every time you win a game.

EDIT: Also, all the menu options are in English as well which could be a clue that this is an “English” trailer. Although, I think what we see of the Classic Kingdom is the Union Cross build and not the KH3 build, so it could be totally unconnected.

Some Japanese games have English text in a variety of places. The Japanese versions of Kingdom Hearts have done this before.

Yeah I get that it’s a trivial detail. It would just be cool if it was English because then we’d know they’re already animating for the English dub.

HPO are cute but they stole Sora's color scheme and it's pretty weird. I feel like you could paint Olette's fingernails midnight black and stick a copy of American Idiot in her anime-brand messenger bag and call it a day.

The minigames look...alright. Tbh they don't look like a ton of fun to me so I hope they aren't too deeply integrated into the game in terms of function (like unlocking good stuff), but as long as they aren't made to be terribly difficult it seems harmless. I'd rather have something puzzle or board game themed again-- not Command Board-- than something where you just time occasional presses of the button.

Well, now I want this to happen lol.

Yeah, this really bothers me. It's basically just a recolor of their original outfits with the red/black and plaid theme. In previous games, HPO (as well as all the other trios) had similar enough outfits, while having their own individual colors and styles. Having Olette go from bright orange with flowers to... well, what you described, is really disappointing imo. Plus, they're supposed to just be regular kids, and kids don't coordinate their outfits like this.

Does Sora's eyes look different to anyone?

Yeah. From the beginning I was never in love with Sora's revised outfit but it was at least tonally consistent with his recent appearances. I thought Riku looked good in the Chikai/Don't Think Twice trailer but with Mickey I was officially ready to move past the FFXV + plaid aesthetic for remaining characters. At this point it would be weird if Kairi isn't wearing black/gray (we'd be lucky if she steps up to mauve) and that's just...why. You finally have an engine that can do great and magical things with textures and you stick everyone in the most timid, basic color coordinations imaginable. It's kind of a drag.

I wonder if the red, black, and white colors in their outfits took inspiration from Roxas? He had those color schemes as well.

I mean Kairi is definitely wearing red and black, since we have that art of her with her hood up lol. And she looks like a Team Magma member.

In hindsight, I do think this is a bit much now. I, personally, love Sora, Riku, and Mickey's outfits. But HPO getting the same ones are weird...well yeah, its more like recolors with plaid. I do dig it sorta, but its also repetitive. Other colors are nice ha.



I did see someone bring this up on Tumblr, they would match well with Roxas if he just gets his casual outfit back again. I guess if he gets a new outfit, it will probably still match lol.

I'm actually going to miss that salmon skin dress lol. Maybe Axel will inherit it.


It's going to get really good once we have the heroes clad in shades as daringly layered as navy blue and charcoal up against the villains who are all in black hoods. Can't wait.


Pence definitely looks like he's lowkey usurping Roxas's entire fashion experience. Tryin' to get Hayner to notice him I think~.

Okay guys, what if for HPO, it's NOT plaid...........but

FLANNEL

It does not appear 2018 in the trailer or in the description of YouTube. Delayed or have forgotten?

Ditto.
I guess I'm a little interested since I've played games like these growing up and it's always nice to see OG Pete (or close to it), but all the time I was thinking how smooth the transition between that console and my controller will be and... well, I hope it's bearable.



Possibly yet another reason why I love the new design. Team Magma on a girl is extremely cute.

Oh, I guess I thought it didn't matter. I mean, Nomura confirmed he will be here more frequently to promote the game, that sounds like we are entering marketing mode to me. Aka, it is not delayed.



Lol, you know Lea is gonna get an outfit that looks sorta like his BBS outfit, except now with red and black plaid.

They're probably saving that for the OP late game Drive Forms.


Right, like I don't think I understand the point of the experience for these minigames? As charming as it might be to stumble upon an old Gameboy or something and actually play a game similar to these on it, I don't really see how it's going to be appealing or stimulating on the PS4. I'm anticipating lots of needless frustration, but if these turn out to be just nostalgic, breezy and decorative I'm OK with that.

I guess not everyone is getting red and black redesigns lol.

That is an amazing catch! Did you pick up on that yourself?

Edit: Nevermind, I saw your reblog on Tumblr. Still a very impressive catch. I don't think I would have connected the characters together.

Unfortunately not lol, that honor would go to Tiduspoo on Tumblr. I was excited when I saw it though, and figured I would share.

This was very nice to wake up with.
This really makes KH3 have more variation. I really appreciate that aspect, including that Twilight Town is finally given a larger map. With most likely even more NPC's roaming around.

Seeing HPO again is also very joyful. Although I can definitely agree that having them wearing the same color scheme as Sora, can be very distracting. Especially for Olette & Hayner, who wore orange and green before.

Despite that, this gave me the feel that SE feel confident with KH3 as of now. Sorta like they just don't want to reveal too much, since we're almost near the release of the game.

The plaid is spreading like a virus.

Maybe Nomura just watched too much Spaceballs:

Funny how out of all the characters with plaid in their designs, Sora has the least visible plaid.

He answered the complaints about the belts with more belts, now he's answering the complaints about the plaid with even more plaid.

[FONT=arial]¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Though I do agree, giving the Twilight Trio plaid is stretching it. I expected it to spread over the Guardians of Light but not (important) NPCs.[/FONT]

the classic kingdom reminds me of the game within game idea that xv did with them promtion there game

We all thought Nomura was making allusions to Star Wars, but in reality it was towards Spaceballs this whole time!

This trailer put a smile on my face. Although what's up with Sora's eyes? Talk about oversaturated colours.

If HPO are returning they have no excuse not to bring back Seifer and his crew. I miss that loveable jerkass.

Hopefully we’ll see some FF characters at E3; it’s way overdue.

maybe it next trailer we see them i mean we havent see kairi full new look either as well

Are we ever going to get a Trailer with FF Characters, Kairi and Newer Disney Worlds anytime soon?

yes i believe so we just got to wait

I really want to see some of the Final Fantasy characters too, especially some new ones. I just hope that we get characters outside of 7-10. Characters like the Warrior of Light from FF1 and Cecil from FF4 are long overdue for cameos.

Sadly this is an aspect of the series that Nomura seems to have forgotten over time...

First reaction-

Watching Sora play a Gameboy made me feel old.
Olette got a haircut? short hair suits her.
I'm glad HPO got some new threads.
The announcement itself was pretty meh.

i didnt relize that she got haircut cant wait to see kairi hairstle along the full reveal of her outfit

Well since he helped design them in Dissidia I do hope he is a bit more comfortable including some characters from the super old school games myself. I sorta expect XIII since he helped design them and its more relevant lol. But who knows.

The only FF chars I /need/ are the RG chars. Like we need them back. Their exclusion from BBS was terrible.

I can't wait for this!!! The minigames look like fun! And the TT gang is back!! I wonder if we'll see Seifer as well....

Omg! Literally everyone has plaid now! First thing I noticed about their new outfits. Sora, Riku, now Hayner,Pence, and Olette! haha Watch Kairi's outfit have it too.

It'd be interesting to see how Sora gets his new duds then. I think most people thought it was a reward for getting his strength back in Olympus, but maybe Sora just goes clothes shopping in Twilight Town?

See, I thought of it as the opposite like "are the good fairies gonna hook HPO up with new clothes as well??" but this sounds more likely lol. I kinda hope it is true, a shopping scene sounds cute.

Maybe that would explain why Sora and HPO have the same color scheme

That's what I was thinking. We are only thinking that HPO are dressing like Sora because we've seen him in those clothes a lot more, but in-game, Sora is probably dressing like them for some reason.

Doesn't excuse why Riku and Mickey are wearing the same kind of thing as well. It's definitely some silly unity thing that Nomura has planned.

so kairi and lea have simmular outfits as chaser?

Maybe Yensid went browsing around Twilight town and saw that clothing style. He liked it, then based Riku and Mickeys new clothes off of that.
That would be hilarious if it were the case.

Maybe, idk we have to wait and see.

Now I'm hoping that the Three Good Fairies have opened a store in Twilight Town to sell clothes and Yen Sid goes shopping there.

I just remembered Xion. Since HPO are matching Roxas and Sora I wonder if she will take on the same colors?

I also think Aqua has a somewhat decent chance of getting modern clothes. But yeah, Xion is in desperate need of a new outfit lol.

I liked what HPO originally had but knowing their outfits change I am worried about Aqua, Ventus, and Terra. I love their outfits and I really don't want them to be plaided up :S

You get plaid and you get plaid!EVeyone Get's PlAiD! Aqua at the least deserves something new.

Can't be going to the final battle with darkness stank clothes.

She could use the darkness stank clothes to confuse the Xehanort's into thinking she's a badass darkness user [strike]I did not steal this from the Walking Dead[/strike]

I mean.... even Hayner's shoes are plaid. When will it end!?

Yeah, I really, really don't want a potential new outfit for Aqua or anyone else to just be various shades of black, red, and plaid.

Although I'm thinking this isn't the case, because Riku kept his color scheme. I'm more bothered with his outfit because of the weird white plaid and the obvious riff of Noctus' outfit. But I can't help but wonder why Nomura didn't just keep HPO's basic color scheme then add the plaid, if they did this for Riku.

Kairi and Lea's outfits wouldn't look too bad with this design theme either. Lea has already wore something similar in BBS and making it darker would could incorporate Organization aesthetics. Kairi's would just be more pink then red. I'm kind of bummed they seem to have pink be Kairi's main color now, when it was originally purple, white, and yellow as her color scheme. Hopefully they let her wear pants.

It seems that what used to be belts for Nomura has beceme plaid

I honestly don't like HPO having the same look as everybody else. It should be that each trio has their own look to them. With that being said...WHY NOMURA! WHY THE PLAID!

this thread has legit taught me how to spell 'plaid'

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I'm starting to think they're running out of ideas...

nomura reclaiming ffxv one character design at a time the absolute legend

Yeah, I am not that impressed with what he is doing. I get that he is disappointed, but it has been 5 years. He should have acknowledged his feelings for a minute and then actively moved forward. He seems stuck in the past with these plaid designs that are just ripped from FFXV and that isn't healthy.

Yeah... 5 years of holding on to something unchangable really isn't healthy. I agree, he needs to move on.

At this rate with the FFXV rip off outfits, Kairi might just show up wearing Luna's gown

I'm gonna be a hypocrite though and say I would not be disappointed with that. I love me some Luna. I'd vomit if it were Stella though. Girl should remain dead in 2011 where she belongs.

i mean that seems a bit dramatic. nomura got roen to design the characters clothing in ffxv because he genuinely liked the style of their clothing (he literally wears it himself). it being something he liked he's started introducing similar pieces into his own work. y'all don't need to play armchair psychologist just because some characters have similar designs.

He's reused poses from Noctis and the crew in two box arts (1.5 and 2.8) and actively reminds the press that he is angry and his cats are pretty much therapy cats. He's still very much resting in the anger and disappointment of losing FFXV.

So you guys actually think Remy will get a cameo in Twilight Town? Cause I have no idea why else there would suddenly be a French restaurant

And supposedly he's putting that anger into KH3. Which might explain some things


He can like a style, but as demonstrated with his old designs, there can be variety in a clothing style, but a lot of the new designs look very simmaler to each other and other characters(as seen with the Riku-Noctis and Olette-Iris)

MAKE IT HAPPEN SQUARE

this honestly does not suggest all that much, other than him just liking certain poses.
1.5's art, for example, can be seen as a riff on Noctis in the throne... except Noctis in the throne was literally a riff on an even earlier piece of artwork of Sora on a throne for KH1. like it ain't that deep, dude just has his likes.

and like y'all talk about riku's "sudden noctis haircut" even though riku's haircut is just an evolution on the hairstyle he had in the RoS in DDD from 2012.

and actively reminds the press that he is angry and his cats are pretty much therapy cats.

he's mentioned it like twice? like he's allowed to talk a bit more openly about his life.

i just think this line of thought is getting a bit much, is all. but y'all do you.

I considered Remy. I'd rather Tiana, but it is a French restaurant. Oracle Spockanort pointed out to a few of us this morning that Twilight Town might have always been intended to take on French architecture in its design. The mansion is more of a chateau and inspiration for Twilight Town looks to have been taken from Sancerre Loire Valley as there are a lot of similar designs here that are seen in Twilight Town.




That is true. Plus his idea for the final world / final boss fights are something he has wanted to put into a Final Fantasy game so it's likely he is recycling that from Versus XIII instead of coming up with something original for Kingdom Hearts 3.


In recent interviews (2015-2018). He is still hung up on being kicked off and it does show through his words and his designs.

Didn't he once say that if he gets teased about stuff he adds more of that stuff? Maybe he got teased about plaid and just added more.

Also Seriously Sora and Pence have the least plaid.

And on the topic of XV, if all the plaid and stuff is due to his anger....well....it was supposed to be his first Final Fantasy game with him in the director's chair. He was probably very excited to work on it. Then 14 bit the dust faster than Rohan and 13 just existed so his staff kept getting taken to work on those while his project didn't even get into actual development. And by the time he actually got to work on it, he got kicked out.

I'd take Remy over Tiana. Princess and the Frog deserves its own world.

Absolutely, it was completely unfair to him. Now he is stuck working on a Final Fantasy game where he can't really stretch his creative limits so I do feel bad for the guy but I'd kinda wish he'd move on. He is a lot more creative with his designs so to see these characters all dressed so similar is a bit disheartening.


Oh I absolutely agree. PatF would be a glorious world and one I had hoped so dearly to appear in Kingdom Hearts 3. But if it doesn't, then a cameo would still be appreciated by me. One of the great things about Kingdom Hearts 1 were Traverse Town and Hollow Bastion because it had Disney characters from different movies interacting or living in that area. If Tiana lost her world, I'd absolutely hope she would land on her feet commanding a restaurant in another land.

So, I didn't mind the plaid till now myself, I don't even necessarily mind Olette's being a little similar to Iris' outfit, tho Iris' outfit is cuter tbh lol, I really do think what bugs me is the colors of these three being Sora's colors. As long as no one else has plaid even more than Hayner lol. That is a bit excessive...I am fine with Kairi and Aqua and probably Lea all having plaid accents somewhere. It is clear its the new zipper.

I just don't want their color schemes to change a whole ton, its weird cuz I think they did decent with that with Riku and Mickey. But we already know Kairi is wearing a red and black hoodie. Dunno what the color underneath will be...

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Has Nomura been to Scotland recently ? Just curious.



Plaid everywhere.

Apparently Nomura was not only wearing a T-shirt that had Mickey Mouse wearing leopard print on, he also had glittery leopard print pants on at the event....

So I am sorta just glad he isn't incorporating that into these designs lol. Leopard print...usually doesn't look good.

Just wait till we get to see what the 13 darknesses got under their robes. They deserve new threads too.

We can see Vanitas' original outfit under his robe. I wonder if we can get a glimpse of a shirt or something this time. As far as I am aware, they just wear boots, long gloves, pants, and the coat.

As far as reusing stuff from FFXV goes, I'm not too bothered by that. It was his game after all, and if he wants to reuse some of his ideas that never got to see the light of day or make it his again, that's perfectly fair and natural. That's still not really an excuse for pasting plaid into everything and using color schemes/outfits that don't fit with the character he already established 10-15 years ago, from a franchise with its own tone and aesthetic.

She's wearing a white top with a red trim. The hoodie/vest is probably pink color if they're using the color schemes from KH2, as opposed to red (the red in Sora's jacket and the pink on Skuld's outfit are very similar so it's hard to tell if Kairi's is meant to be red or pink, but there is a subtle hue change).

The plaid will probably be incorporated onto her pockets, pants/skirt, and/or shoes, like they did with Riku.

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Just here to say I'm officially #TeamPlaid. I love that shit and if HPO wear that it's one less reason for me to be fucking bored of them already.

SO. MUCH. PLAID.

Sora's teeth look quite pointy lol.

Also as for the Sora green eyes theory, I'm fairly sure if they are blue here then that's just gonna help them with the theory because they argued that it only goes green whenever he talked to the SOD. >.>

nah its gonna be all plaid under there.

Yeah, I've noticed this. Doesn't seem very positive.

Didn't even notice Hayner even had plaid shoes..

Looking at union cross, wondering why he didn't bother with plaid for anyone. Like the union leader designs look great..yet no one is wearing plaid.

Part of it is just simple cross-promotion though. FFXV and 2.8 released close to each other so they made Noctis pose in Sora's iconic pose on the throne and have the gang assume the poses of the Chocobros on the 2.8 cover art.
After all, we also had Sora assume Cloud's pose for the FF7 anniversary.


I swear to God, Aqua can take a blue-black plaid shirt and tie it around her waist instead of her sashes and I'd be surprisingly okay with that as her new look LOL (she can wear anything though and I would probably never be mad).


They couldn't because of Ventus. I mea sure, they could have opted to give him different clothes, but they probably kept his original design to avoid theories about how he isn't truly Ventus (no matter his name and all), so instead, they opted to make all union leaders have a similar style. (Un)surprisingly, Strelitzia and her dress don't fit in with all the jackets and layers the others wear...

Though I am also a little surprised and scared that HPO gets plaid as well. I am all for a new style, but I believed plaid is gonna be what the Guardian's of Light wear, not everyone.

Aww good day, my brud- -

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*KHI is full of new replies and threads* (it's been a while)
that must mean...
golly a new trailer! ok

I love everyone's black & red clothes, of course I love this color combo, it looks terribly fashionable and cool imo, not to mention hot fashion-wise
I'm also excited for these minigames, their designs are so nostalgic! like the games I used to play as a kid, little stuff that came in corn-puffs bags, or there were old gba-like "consoles" with a few simple games on them, ahh monochrome and on small screens, yes that is childhood nostalgia material

Poor guy!... Knowing this, I should make my peace with the Riku-Noctis similarity once and for all, even though I wasn't one to be too happy about it (hoped for something that isn't so close to Noct's design, y'all get me and this was already discussed...)

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcuzxvpkn8M[/video]

Lets see what IGN thought of the minigames.

Wow, what did IGN expect?

I saw the title of it the other day and am not even interested in giving them a view lol

How petulant, but then again it's IGN.

Otherwise, good to see HPO back again.

The title is clickbait, but aside from that their opinions are fair.

wow lol where they srsly expecting more news from an event that's not even dedicated towards KH3



tbh I still wished he never left the project because I liked his version far more than what we got, and I still look at the old FF Versus XIII trailers sometimes. ;~;

Nah. The event was for Union Cross. If they expected more, that is all on them and is not a fair assessment of the situation. They also know that marketing is getting its big push in June AND know exactly what the thing that certain people got invited to is. This was just them wanting to stir the pot (as they always do with KH) and get hits.

What?
"Right now in this lead up to KH3 everyone is starved for big looks at the game. It's cool that we know these are coming...I don't know how big a fraction of the game this is."
"Y'know this was an event for the mobile game so they didn't want to overshadow it by being like, 'And here's Frozen!"
"Which makes sense."
"Yeah, totally!"

Which part of this review was unreasonable? They pretty much just said: this looks cute but probably isn't a major part of the game; it would be nice to have had more context about how this is going to be implemented; and we're looking forward to the next big thing KH3 brings to the table as is every other fan of the series. Real pot stirrers, these guys.

I realize IGN has a history with the series but SE has its own history of poor marketing, and imo this is an example of it. The trailer is basically insubstantial, and there's nothing wrong with people pointing that out.

Well aside from the games we got confirmation that HPO are returning. Plus now we know that Twilight Town is getting a bit of an update. I'd say that was servicable for a event that wasn't even centered on KH3.

I don't think most of us were expecting much anyway

The whole thing is such a silly thing to say about a little teaser trailer. It accomplishes exactly what it set out to do. Tease a small minigame mechanic that both SE and Disney seem to be pretty proud about. With the nods to old-school 80s gaming and classic Disney animated shorts, Classic Kingdom is clearly meant to be a celebration of early gaming and animation. They think it is a fun feature gamers, animation aficionados, and Kingdom Hearts fans could see as something fun and cute.

Not everything that is about KH3 needs to be a major announcement right now. When they start the their big marketing rollout, they aren't going to have time to focus on all of the smaller details in the game like this. Why did they need to focus on something big right now? We just got TWO trailers not that long ago.

And the whole point of showing it off was to use it as a lead-in to announcing it as an upcoming addition to Union X. I'm not sure what is wrong with that?

Even though IGN acknowledged the trailer was at the fan event, they continue on about how it wasn't what they wanted to see. That is the complete opposite of taking it in consideration in my opinion no matter how they phrased it. It boiled down to "We get it was shown at an event for something else and they totally didn't want KH3 to overshadow anything, but it wasn't what we wanted so it's unimportant."

Okay. If that isn't what they wanted, would they have rather had UX overshadowed? No KH3 news at all? What do they want?

They know what is about to happen soon. They got their invite to the thing that nobody can say more than a few words to. They had no reason to shit on this trailer when the news they want will be coming.

Pot-stirring doesn't have to be done in a full-on negative and hateful way. It is also clear they didn't even make this video from a hateful place, but they knew what they were doing when they titled their video "Kingdom Hearts 3's trailer isn't what we wanted to see" in the middle of people still riding the high of this little snippet. If that wasn't IGN trying to drum up negative commentary about KH3, I can't think of what else they were trying to do with this video.

Basing a "critique" about a short little teaser trailer for not being what they actually wanted full well knowing the full picture of what this event was and knowing exactly what is happening pretty soon is not what I'd consider a fair analysis or criticism.

Nomura: "I want to announce more finer details about various systems."
IGN: "We don't wanna see that!"

Seriously, Spock is right. IGN know full well that the things they want to see are coming very soon. I get that there isn't much information about the mini-games and if they are important to progress through the game but are those details really necessary? There's a bunch of games out there that have mini-games advertised as part of the marketing but they are just things on the side to do for fun.

This was a Union X event first and foremost, and they used the opportunity to finally tell us what Project Xtrace is. I'm just happy they actually included KH3 footage in the video because it could and would have stood on its own if they had just shown the mini-games while explaining that Union X will be getting them first.

I just want to know why IGN took a look at a 60 second clip from a fan event and thought it would be something bigger than something for Union X.

I agree with this to the extent that I appreciate there are people for whom this will push the right buttons and they'll get more out of the trailer than I did. Much like the theme song trailer slayed me but there were some who were understandably disappointed for a variety of reasons. This one didn't work for me one way or the other, but that's ok with me. I disagree with your implication that how the developers or Nomura feels about this contribution should have any impact on a review of the content on its merits. I don't care how much Nomura loves rhythm games: Ice Cream Beat was horribly implemented and it's a chore to play through each stage three times. In my opinion.


I see what you mean and agree with it: not every KH3 trailer needs to be a Disney world/Keyblade transformation/Drive Form extravaganza. But the way you're framing their commentary is wildly disproportionate with the things they actually said. The video was basically just a rumination on what they were expecting and the fact that one of them was less than enthused while the other was pleasantly surprised at what they saw and repeatedly stated that they were looking forward to trying these minigames out. It was totally even-handed, and the suggestion that the trailer could have shown more was warranted. Maybe not a Disney world, but explaining why these minigames are in KH3 would be a start.


Even if this were true, it was totally counterproductive, because all people are talking about is KH3, HPO's new outfits, and how this game device will function. The title of this article's thread doesn't even mention Ux. Square knows it can use KH3 to get the attention of game publications like IGN: that's why they did it. It's doubtful the Dandelion event would have been covered at all outside of KH-devoted sites like this otherwise.


Once again, you've selectively misconstrued their review here, which doesn't even rise to the level of critique. The commentators do talk specifically about the minigame function, but they have to do it: 1) using as little information about what it is as Square provided and, 2) within the context of KH3 and the anticipation surrounding the game as a whole. So one of the commentators mentions (I'm paraphrasing) that the games don't strike them as riveting or novel knowing that they'll be packaged within the grander scale of KH3 with its lush Unreal Engine textures and general scope of it. The other says they look fun and cute and they want to try them out. There's nothing they could have done to further substantiate their impression of the teaser because there's nothing else of substance to it.


I think they just wanted to talk about the trailer and how they felt about it, what their impressions were, etc. I didn't hear any demands from them.


Really? This constitutes "shitting" on the trailer?
"Hi I wasn't so thrilled by this."
"I liked it, more or less."
"Clearly we think it's garbage."


Is it your contention that IGN supposed to positively spin their reviews to account for a fan consensus that doesn't and never will exist? I wasn't "riding the high" of this teaser. If you were, that's great and I support your right to be excited as much as I'm inclined to vocalize my disappointment, but the defensiveness indicated in your response borders on gatekeeping. IGN doesn't have a mandate to give the series good coverage, and these reviewers are entitled to their honest reaction to what they saw. Just as I am and just as you are.


What, then, is your criteria for an even-handed response to this trailer? I've established that they acknowledged the context of the trailer's presentation, included one commentator who was unimpressed and one who was intrigued, and that they shared in their reservations that there could have been more to it but that did not cause them to dismiss it out-of-hand as they discussed its merits based on what was shown. Your position appears to be that, "Any response from within the industry which runs contrary to the impression SE wanted to enforce is pot-stirring," but the whole purpose of a review is to discuss the lasting impression a piece of media left-- to provide a personal and/or merit-based interpretation of the material at hand which incorporates but is not resigned to the intentions of the author.

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I don't understand this line of reasoning. In the first place, the implication is that they can't talk about the future events they've been invited to, so I'd imagine that can't enter into the content of the review in any way, shape or form. Secondly, how does that bear any relevance to this trailer? We all know there's more KH news coming. If we wait long enough, the game might even be out. Things we haven't yet seen can't retroactively add value to this trailer.


For me? Absolutely. Maybe not for everyone. But I'm just not that excited by the way these games look or how they appear to play, and I've laid out why in previous posts. That could change and I'm open to it, but a lot of that has to do with why they're in the game from a functional perspective.

My point is they already know when the stuff they want to see will drop so it’s odd that they turn something they knew would have nothing big into this controversy. They know when they can see exclusive things before everyone else, so it’s very annoying for them to turn the 60 second trailer at a fan event into “we didn’t want to see that”. From how the event was handled, it was clear that nothing big from KH3 would be shown. If there was going to be something like that, they would have invited various journalists to the event like they did with D23. Personally, I think it’s clear from watching the trailer that it isn’t something that is entirely mandatory, nor is it required to fully beat in order to complete Twilight Town. It’d be like any other KH mini-game where you do it at your own leisure and win prizes and maybe you will have to do it once very quickly in order to progress the main story.

So while IGN can’t talk about certain things, they do know more than the average KH fan so for them to throw this title at the fandom is inflammatory and makes it seem like IGN has not progressed with its usual shit treatment of the series. I get if the mini-game trailer was not what people were expecting from the event, but then I have to wonder... if they understood that nothing that could overshadow UX could be shown - like a new world - what exactly would that have liked to see? Jonathan talks about how he was excited to log on and see a new trailer but the contents of the trailer seem to let him down, and Marty isn’t impressed by how it is detracting from the visuals in Unreal Engine 4. Would they have rathered nothing from KH3 was shown so they couldn’t pull those comparisons between the two?

The mini-games worked just fine because it is a small part of Kingdom Hearts 3 / Union X that is getting its time to shine before new worlds, release dates, box art and whatnot are shown. If a mini-game trailer is unacceptable because it isn’t what they wanted, and something big that overshadowed the Union X event was out of the question, then what exactly would they have preferred to see at this event, or would they have rathered nothing at all?

I'm confused by the very premise that a tepidly negative response from a professional review to a trailer which has already netted a tepidly negative response from a portion of its target demographic is controversial. Again, the implication seems to be that if they weren't going to put out a positive review, they shouldn't have reviewed it at all-- because anything less than effervescence is controversial?


I agree, but the content they did show isn't more impressive for it. We all knew KH3 wasn't going to be featured heavily at this event, if at all. That doesn't mean anything goes and the fandom has to uncritically and unanimously converge in support of anything we see about the series. IGN has a responsibility to articulate a perspective and response to this trailer as it was clearly intended to garner media attention from within the industry, and they fulfilled that objective.


Sure, but within that general framework there's a lot about the implementation of these minigames and the origin and other functions of the game device as they relate to the game proper which we don't know. It's even hard to articulate what we don't know precisely because they showed us so little lol.


Would it have been less inflammatory if the title was completely neutral but the review was kept the same? I ask because it seems to me the title of an article or review should reflect the content of that article. This title makes it clear where the review leans on the spectrum of positive to negative. KH fans, then, are presumably autonomous and can make their own decisions as to whether they want to indulge.

For perspective, an inflammatory title in my mind would have been: "New KH Trailer TOTALLY BOMBS." or "We Discuss EVERYTHING BAD about the new KH trailer." Even then I would hardly blink as you'll find tons of game and movie reviews which are framed with similar headlines all over YouTube. I just have a hard time considering a statement as perfunctory as, "This trailer isn't what we wanted" to be a valid source of controversy in 2018 on the Internet.


The indication they give very strongly is that they're looking for some context within the larger scope of the game. How does the application of this minigame add to the overall experience of playing KH3? Or, is it possible that it might actually detract from the experience? These are valid questions to which the trailer doesn't provide concrete answers: it gives a very slight impression of something that's maybe going to be fun, and that impression was persuasive to some but not to others. I'm not sure I understand why, in making that observation and relaying one's own position, some larger ultimatum must be designed and conveyed to, what, SE's marketing department? I think it's fair to say, "This didn't work for me and here's why..." without being obliged to push any broader agenda or a petition for restitution.


Because I already answered this question in my above response, let's consider the inversion of this inquest first: from the start, if SE wanted to devote the Dandelion event to UX and avoid overshadowing it with KH3, why did they deliberately design a reveal about KH3 which they know will play overwhelmingly to an audience that isn't interested in their mobile game as a KH3 trailer? If these two hadn't explicitly mentioned where this trailer premiered and how it was connected to the mobile game, would most casual fans tuning in just for a sight of KH3 have known? My guess is, varying degrees of "no." That's why it's relevant that they talk about how most people, when they see a new KH trailer, are expecting something "big." SE has promoted that expectation. They want the hype. It takes these reviewers actually cautioning their viewers that this trailer isn't like that, and explaining why, and even agreeing that the reason why makes sense, to put the trailer and their review in context.

The event was for UX and UX alone, they only showed Classic Kingdom because it was connected to both games. If people are upset this was shown there, it'll be no different if there wasn't anything showen at a, will relay this

A Union Cross Fan Event

SE doesn't own us everything, when they want to drop something they will, they own us nothing and this shouldn't been a issue. I expected nothing, I check on the event to see what was shared and what was coming in UX.

IGN acting like this is really no surprise at all because they (and other so-called western "gaming sites/magazines") have been acting like this ever since 2006/2007 whenever it came to anything Kingdom Hearts-related not named KH III.

Regardless of what it was, it being Days, BBS, Coded, general anniversary stuff or DDD, if it isn't KH III-related there was and is always the undertone of "somewhat nice, but not what we want" and/or "just unimportant spin-off stuff not worth too much attention" coming from these folks and that is what has contributed a great deal to the attitude prevalent among some parts of the fanbase that everything that is not KH III is essentially worthless, a waste of time and/or unnecessary.

This whole issue is something that has been happening over a decade so why should IGN stop doing it now?

Not everyone is capable of learning and changing.

There was hope because they hired someone to cover Kingdom Hearts for the website while explaining things and whatnot. He's the one on the right in the video.

Not everyone from IGN are this salty towards the series.

I didn't like the trailer. It's not bad or anything, and I'm happy for the people who do like it, but I'm just not into classic retrogames and stuff, so I'm not excited about the minigames. But I understand that they didn't want to overshadow UX and the event in general. Still not really into it and I hope all these minigames are optional, though I'm sure they're not

I think they're going to be "optional" like Pooh's Book was, the only question is: by not doing them do I miss out on an accessory or Curaga/Keyholder?

Also the trophy eh? I bet most of the people here would like to platinum the game?

i know two way they can reveal new outfit one is the safe choice e3 they reveal kairi at the concert in june right before they do dearaly beloved instead of pictures you see kairi reading the letter

Seriously though, I can't be the only who dislikes the new and random choice for certain designs - what's up with the checkered clothes??

Yea... This is what happens when certain series run for too long - devs start looking for changes in places where they're not needed or wanted. It's also kinda funny because the Twillight Town trio wasn't shown that often (I guess they wanted to make them look important for the story, so they just changed their look like the main cast's).



I dislike the sky in the redesign. The old one gives melancholic vibes and is more unique to the location. Other than that, I think it fits pretty well.

Agreed. As creative as the game & watch stuff is, those games SUCKED. Seriously, play a tiger electronic game today and tell me if it holds up to our standards today.

Good seeing you again, Muke! How've ya been?!

The demos were pretty simple, cute, and funny. It was an easy thing for them to do and it's an easy thing for them to showcase - not much more complicated than that.

If it's not your thing, that's cool. I like that people are chill about that stuff these days. Though I don't get why some people are so, like, viscerally against some stuff that's ultimately just fun weird goofs. Like Kingdom Hearts be weird!

Also, I love all the plaid. I just do. I'll never not. It's tacky, I love it. Let it happen

I hope the sky will actually have motion, with the clouds continuously moving and changing.

Yeah I'm sorta expecting the skies to be dynamic with lighting and clouds and stuff even more than before. So I dunno if it will always look like this exact shot of it, is basically what I mean ha.

Oh for the plaid designs, I heard from someone that they saw a theory on facebook that it could be to do with the chess and chess pieces. :/

And yeah the sky would be changing, so it could end up looking different. Although I actuallly dont see a problem with the sky in the new TT lol.

Like many others here, I'd prefer if the Twilight Town trio kept their unique colors but it's not that big of a deal.

It's almost as if the developers are trying to save on texture space by using the same textures on all these designs! KH3 port on Nintendo 64 confirmed! xD

That's so bad haha. The Recusant Sigil bit in DDD made me cringe but at least it didn't distract from the design aesthetic. I really don't know what Nomura was thinking trying to use plaid as an accent-- it doesn't work that way! Give me belts and zippers any day; no narrative liaison necessary.

Probably optional in the sense that the other minigames in the series were. You aren't forced to do it to continue on in the narrative and the only time it's acknowledged in-game is in this scene.

Although it probably will be necessary to complete the journal, 100% the game, and get a trophy. I would hope they don't have a Keyblade as a completion reward though.

You may be onto something here. This trailer had the Disney/Pixar copyright despite having no apparent Pixar properties represented in the trailer. For context, this is the press release for the Don't Think Twice trailer.



Despite the Don't Think Twice trailer showing off Toy Story scenes and new Monsters Inc. cutscene footage, this screenshot just sticks with the Disney copyright.

Would be hilarious if Sora could actually go inside the restuarant and aid Remy. Hell, Remy could actually control Sora like he did Linguini

Yeah the theory was that the main theme of KH3 being a game of chess, and all the characters with plaid are chess pieces, which sort of makes sense considering a chess board is basically plaid...
I personally find it interesting and makes sense, but like why would HPO have plaid and not Donald and Goofy lol. Although I can see them playing a role in helping Roxas comeback. >.>

But yeah I also agree with you; plaid just doesn't work as a main clothing theme like the belts and zippers did. It looks weird when all the cast has plaid unlike the belts. I've actually always liked the belts lol even though they were in the most oddest places.

I'd rather have cooking themed minigames with Remy which yield items and other goodies than the Classic Kingdom stuff. Maybe helping around the restaurant could become a running (optional) subplot/mechanic in the game: if Twilight Town is the new hub world, going back there from time to time with new ideas/recipes from other worlds to try to help make Remy's restaurant 5 Star would be cool.


Our eyes are trained to overlook belts and zippers, so they can be blended into almost anything and it's easy not to notice unless you're paying attention. Patterns, especially big blocky ones like plaid, are exactly the opposite: we're naturally inclined to look right at them which makes them noisy and intrusive unless they're utilized carefully. Like, the worst thing about this plaid epidemic is that it distracts from Nomura'suse of buttons in the new costumes, which is actually really nice in terms of their placement and the way they accentuate the designs. Buttons are a perfect variation on zippers/belts, and they're a lot more versatile than plaid, coming in different shapes and sizes and functioning as accessories which can either be eye-catching or subtle depending on the design. So yeah. Boo plaid.

i dont mind the plaid there are other worst designs that nomura that could of done and i don't think plaid is one of them

I agree with all of this lol. Also I can see why people are put off by everyone having plaid but I just choose to look at it as the latest fashion fad in KH3 for now.

The usage of old Disney shorts gives me hope we might see some classic Final Fantasy references. I enjoyed the cross-promotion FF outfits in Ux.

Anything FF related for KH is welcome.

The score for the minigames reminds me a lot of a circus. Very cheerful and bouncy.