Uhhh, discuss amongst yourselves. Global's all caught up now so I'll toss those up first while we work on the JP subs.

Right now I got too many things to juggle.

So this whole time, Square Enix could have had the Globals story catch up to Japan's story? That's embarrassing. Why do this when the games shutting down?!

I'm so intrigued by The Seven Crowns....

Global scenes are up!

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? Iirc when the game first launched, dataminers discovered that there were dialogue files for more quests than they had initially released, so it was clear even then that they were intentionally holding Global version back.

My best guess is that it was always the plan to drag out the Global version longer (which happened in the end even if it's only an additional month), since the Japanese version didn't make any money anymore anyway.

The mismanagement of KHUX is truly astonishing. Besides the story and some new Heartless here and there there hasn't been any new content for two years now and they really thought they could get away with a third or even more because of Dark Road.

Thank you so much for the videos, Sign! I am screaming at my phone! Good luck with the JP translations!

Thanks for the videos Sign. It's still strange to me that some one looked at the translation and said: Yes, lifeboat is absolutely fitting in this situation.
The seven crowns sounds like the next major plot device.

Boy oh boy! These aren't the last cutscenes right? There's more coming in the next few days right? From the planning it looks like it.

So many things to take.
1 of the boats has been used, meaning that the Master and 5 more will go into the future. Guessing that's how Ephemer stays behind.

Who did Luxu send? Was it Strelitzia's body? Kairi? Elrena? Someone else entirely?

What world did the Master see? Quadratum?

What did Luxu mean, see but not touch - finally understood what he meant?

So many more questions!

Final update should be at the end of next month, I think.

We got to quest 977 with this. I was hoping we'd get to 1000 for the final scene but I can't imagine them dropping 23 quests unless they want to do some kind of gauntlet final dungeon kind of thing within Daybreak Town. But judging by the Luxu and Darkness scene... the world is empty?

It is truly awful. Can't take them seriously at all every time this dang word appears on screen.

Trying to sanitize this game and erase any terminology that can even be remotely associated with religion is a bizarre choice I don't understand considering the console games don't do this at all.

I'm guessing that the Seven Crowns are gonna be what Xehanort and Eraqus's new chess game at the end of KH3 hinted at? Should be pretty interesting.

[SPOILER]The Sevens Crowns, eh? I wonder how those will tie in to the upcoming games.[/SPOILER]

I have a mixed feeling about the Ventus part from this update. I am happy that he could become important the next arc but I am a little dissapointed that this will bring Vanitas back. I don't hate Vanitas but I just feels they keep reusing characters since KH3. It is actually not a bad thing of course but I think this will cause more problems when the characters increase. By the way, Ven has been suicidal from Ux era so I now can understand why his Chirithy think it is better that he doesn't gain his memories

My understanding is that more is coming in next month, and possibly also in the final update after that. The ending of the story doesn't have to be tied to any quests.


In theory, there are two possibilities. But it being Strelitzia sort-of contradicts Luxu's secret report, which tells that he didn't know about the murder until he saw that one of the leaders had been replaced. So, I think it is Ava. ?


Either that, or Scala.

My own first impressions:
[LIST]
[*]"Why are you here?"!! Why in hell did I not post a prediction for this? Let's not do the same mistake again. Prediction: the last question, "Where are you going?", will show up in near future. Probably in Dark Road, but it can even be in what is remaining of UX.
[*]Luxu is again hinting that he knows more of the contents of the Book than he is supposed to.
[*]Ventus unleashed! "I'll give you a new form that we can defeat!" Well, he ended up doing exactly that (with some help from Xehanort). This seems to be suggesting that Vanitas is the next Big Bad™ of the series.
[*]Also, I know it's the wrong scifi series, but I do see "Ven, I am your father" kind of idea in between the lines.
[/LIST]

Speaking of Ven, there’s another development right there. It seems that he’s always been naturally pure, long before MX tore him apart. It makes one think, was all of humanity actually pure before the end of the Age of Fairy Tales?

I'm thinking they could end up being what Sora gets in KH2 Final Mix. Except this time, they could be in-plot items related to giving more power to the Guardians of Light. Also, I'm thinking this is what could be inside the Black Box: the Crowns.


I'm putting a bet on the body being an empty Replica vessel to be used by someone.


There's a possibility it's Quadrantum, even though I'm more inclined to believe it's just the regular world of KH. Remember that the Master can only see what Luxu has shown via the Gazing Eye. But the Master does end up in Quadratum, so it's still a possibility.

Also, some random thoughts:

* The MoM's Keyblade being a waypoint from Point A to Point B could be why Master Xehanrot turned into a waypoint back in KH3: because of No Name

Let this be a lesson to Square Enix to not intentionally stagger content like this between regions in the future for Kingdom Hearts story content.

I can see Vanitas being a big bad but not the next big bad. Maybe he works with Maleficent and Pete now that he's no longer working with Xehanort?

Maybe Ventus turns into a being of pure light and Luxu sends an empty vessel into the future for Ventus to inhabit, which if that does happen, would chronologically make him the very first replica being in the Kingdom Hearts series.

Leave the poor piano alone, it doesn't deserve such abuse!

The thing about sending a replica is that the "lifeboat" is supposed to rip heart from body meaning a body can't travel through it to the future I guess? So there has to be a heart in there?

Honestly, I'm still banking on Darkness really being Vanitas and he ends up being one of the two threats to deal with, with the other being MoM.

I'm just getting Dark Bakura vibes from him; how it just seemed like he was a bit player when we first saw him, in Vanitas' case, serving under Xehanort, and biding time to make his own move as the true antagonist of the series.

Call me crazy, but it's what I'm getting the feeling from seeing everything.

it always entertain me for people losing their sh*t over the usage of lifeboat instead of ark in English. At such moment I am grateful for in my native language, the word for ark isn't that religious locked for it's also tied to a local folklore.

Small observation, but I see that Lauriam seems to be Magic attribute and Brain Speed... and Ventus is Speed, so, Ephemer and Skuld are the Power ones? Hmmm...

Dark Bakura.... now that's a way to say it. yeah, since Vanitas is actually part of darkness., much like Bakura is actually part of Zorc. That being said, they do say darkness are multiple beings. Is there any other character that turns out to be darkness? Cause, in YGO, not only Bakura, but Dark Akhenaden is actually part of Zorc too.....

Lol you gotta love Nomura's trolling of the fans in the scene with the Black Box. But wow though, the Phase 2 plotline is shaping up to be quite interesting indeed.

Wow Nomura gave us new information about the Black Box without giving any information
I KNEW it’d be like that

*pulls out all the bingo cards I collected* I'll be back later.

I just remembered something. Ven has encountered a Darkling before right and the darkling said something you are not but this time the darklings say you. Is it because they are actually searching for pure light?

I think the True Dandelion must be Ava.
Who else is left in Daybreak Town? All the Dandelions went to the data world, everyone else is dead, and the Foretellers save Ava were summoned to Luxu post-KHIII. There's no one left.

As for the "seven crowns," I'm not sure that's something we need to think too hard about. The Master frames the events of χ as a process of filtering the Keyblade wielders into a chosen few, a competition. The Master even says anyone could wind up in those pods. So those who reach the final step, and use the pods, take the "crown" at the end of the competition.

I'm surprised how easy the fight was. I was worried I didn't have enough jewels to stay in the battle but our allies were actually useful for once!

Only had to continue for 100 jewels and it still counted as 3 turns/under 3 turns so I got the 1000 Jewels.

I think we ALMOST know who takes the 7 lifeboats to exit the Data world:
-Brain (has to in order to eventually give birth to line that is Eraqus)
-Maleficent (already shown)
-Lauriam (becomes Marluxia)
-Ventus (he's there in BBS, he's got to get there somehow)
-Elrena somehow (I mean, otherwise how is she there in the Sora era)
-Luxu (he can't just stay in the data world, he has to continue watching and be there in the future with the box and keyblade)
-Skuld (It's at least hinted because of Subject X, and Ephemer is the only one who hasn't been hinted at PHYSICALLY appearing in the Sora era)

Hm I see... I see.... so this implies Ventus was "pure" all along. One of the few remaining ones after darkness infected everyone? And apparently so pure that darkness didn't infect him, just hitched a ride?

I know technically Vanitas could be Darkness with this new plot stuff, but I still think Vanitas is just an amalgamation of Darkness, Ven, and Sora. I mean, Nomura could prove me totally wrong, but I don't think Vanitas == Darkness that we see in these cutscenes. If it is, he's just as screwed up mentally as Ven is, no memories or anything.

I'm hoping Vanitas is not the next "main" villain. I don't mind him being a foe or something, but I don't want him teaming up with the next sinister six and going through this rodeo again. Just let him be a mini-villain struggling with his identity and call it a day.

Lifeboat is super stupid

Luxu coming in like that gave me Master Xehanort vibes for a second there. That was probably on purpose. I started wondering if Ven was in the blankets, but I don't know if this is taking place at the same time as the fighting or what.

Ava in the blanket? It's possible that she's the 'true' dandelion and why she didn't show up at the end. Luxu would know that she 'fulfilled her purpose'

Also, I only filled out one space on 1/3 bingo cards. Wow.

I mean, we at least potentially know why Ava ended up being so livid at the end of the Keyblade War. Finding out that all people you saved turn out to just be an extra step in the end of the world, and that only a specific handful of them will actually survive is rough. Also I feel dumb for only now getting the Dandelion Metaphor but I for some reason thought of sunflowers every time they said it. But it makes sense, Dandelions have a bad habit of surviving anything trying to exterminate it.

But is this scene happening in the data world or in the real one?

Remember, one of the pods in the data world got damaged, but here it has no sign of that. Of course, it is possible that the Darkness has repaired it...

In any case we are missing a piece of the story here, since they are implying that Maleficent left already, but we haven't seen her to learn about the box yet.

My understanding based on this update is that Ven and Darkness were both essentially "refined" or "purified" through the process of Darkness' possession of Ven. Neither were pure before.

"We are many, and we are one. But to be one requires will. Through him, we could divide into pure darkness and light... willful and distinct. It was a sacrifice that needed to be made."

Darkness is at least implying that it was somewhat diffuse before, and now it's consolidated itself in some way through Ven (though it still appears to have detached fragments of itself hovering around -- like the one Luxu talks to when he says "Aren't you supposed to be part of the whole?"). How this affects Ven is less clear but one can deduce a similar thing, in principle, happens with the "light" inside him.

Side note: makes me think of alchemy and the refinement/purification of the "prima materia" (formless basis of matter - Darkness, anyone?) distilled to its purest essence to transmute it into gold/the philosopher's stone (Light).

Ventus eradicating those darklings with his light is what I wanted Kairi, as a Princess of Heart, to do in KH3 war against heartless demon tide.

Seven crowns... Just a matter of time until Sora's crown necklace to have some meaning. I'm expecting Yozora to be one of them and the world MoM was talking in the end must be Quadratum.

Guys the seven crowns could just be the seven lights

How the hell is Elrena going to appear and survive?? She is so apart from this story, that shes the one character I really wanna know HOW. The rest seems obvious
Maybe it was her already in the white blanket?

Kudos for Angry Skuld. Loved Lauriam standing up and being optimistic! Mom's talk to darkness cleared a lot up too. Nice update

He doesn’t need it. Body switch, remember?

I can understand that interpretation, but doesn't it seem like Darkness is speaking of the future, not the present? He keeps saying "It was written", but is it speaking of NOW, or what will happen in the future? Because we can confirm it definitely happens in the future.

He says "We COULD divide" and then "needed to be made". It's still vague, is he talking about it needed to happen now, or that it needed to happen later in the future when Master Xehanort does it?

Yes, they kept asking it "Why are you still here trying to stop us?" or whatever and Darkness goes on a rant about Ven basically right? Is it not leaving because it still needs Ven? In which case, I'm not sure the true 'split' it was talking about has happened yet.

I'm confused about the Seven crowns y'all talking about. When does that appear in the cutscenes?

Seven crowns huh? Wonder if that will be tied with Sora who has a Crown necklace

Okay I think I understand stuff about Ava and Luxu better.

[SPOILER="Theories and thoughts"]Luxu told Ava all of this, the whole plan, and it devastated her. Ava realized her true role then and there wasn't to just keep light alive it was to keep her friends, the Foretellers, alive and that's why Ava showed up at the keyblade war. She wasn't there to fight, to win, or lose she was there to save who she could. Ava found the Foretellers, she spoke to them about the truth, and about the lifeboats. The foretellers returned to Daybreak Town as the world was being swallowed and took the lifeboats to escape destruction and travel time just like the MoM did. That's why all the lost masters vanished, they literally traveled time, and they were not set to reappear until they arrived at their way point. That point being beyond the end of the book and more importantly at a waypoint that existed beyond it, which was Luxu once he regained No Name. This is why once Xigbar picked it up all the Foretellers popped into existence, except Ava. Why? Because Ava has her own plans, her own mission, and she set herself up to appear at a different waypoint which Xigbar expected she would.

Mind you like 90% of this was seen by the MoM's eye so you know he deliberately set her up to be crushed and respond in turn by saving them. But I think that's why Ava is missing now, she knew if she showed up when the MoM wanted them to she just be playing into his hands. The only way to avoid being the MoM's puppet is to stay completely out of sight that key. So she played the role he wanted, she made the dandelions and she saved the Foretellers, but after that she was done being his puppet and went and did her own thing taking herself out of his vision. Part of me wonders if Ava was in contact with Xehanort/Xemnas, if she was the secret friend he talked to, and if the reason Xemnas refused to use his keyblade was because he was trying to keep the MoM blind to aid Ava. But I digress...

Going by our understanding there are three Daybreak Towns, and three 3 sets of 7 lifeboats. The real daybreak town the original game took place in, some parallel Daybreak Town the Dandelion escaped to, and a digital Daybreak Town that everyone from the second town was transferred into and imprisoned in. Going by this theory, and assuming each lifeboat is only good for 1 use, then the breakdown is something like this...

Set 1: MoM, Ava, Ira, Aced, Invi, Gula, ??? (maybe Luxu)
Set 2: True Dandelion, Maleficent, ????, ????, ????, ????, ????
Set 3: Maleficent, ????, ????, ????, ????, ????, ????

We know Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, and Elrena all make it out of the data town, into this other worldline daybreak town, and end up in the future so the breakdown is something like this...

Set 1: MoM, Ava, Ira, Aced, Invi, Gula, ??? (maybe Luxu)
Set 2: True Dandelion, Maleficent, Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, ????
Set 3: Maleficent, Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, ????, ????

Given what we know Luxu saw only 5 travel time and we have very good reason to assume Brain also traveled so I think this breakdown is most likely

Set 1: MoM, Ava, Ira, Aced, Invi, Gula, ??? (maybe Luxu)
Set 2: True Dandelion, Maleficent, Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, Brain
Set 3: Maleficent, Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, Brain, Ephemer

So in the end Ventus ends up appearing using Xehanort as his waypoint because Xehanort had memories of UX AND No Name, Brain doesn't travel time instead once he was in the parallel Daybreak Town he used the boat to return to the original world rebuilding the ruined Daybreak into Scala, starting that new order, and setting up the regenerating world eventually growing up to sire Eraqus's line. Skuld showed up in RG because Luxu and No Name were both there. No idea what acted as Lauriam's and Elrena's way point, I assume Lauriam went and got Elrena. Meanwhile Ephemer stayed behind as the leader of the dandelions he wasn't just going to abandon the rest of them there. They found a way to survive and that cues him up for his appearance in KH3 where he sends the power of the dandelions to aid Sora.[/SPOILER]

why are people suddenly spoiler tagging in here, just go ham lol

Nomura really seems to enjoy teasing the fanbase about what’s in the Black Box, knowing Nomura we probably aren’t going to learn about what’s inside it until the end of phase 2.

I didn’t think about Luxu being the waypoint I honestly though it would be Maleficent given the conversation between her and Darkness a few updates ago but I guess it’s explains how Luxu managed to retrieve subject X and find Lauriam and Elrena to recruit into the Organization

Also speaking of Elrena how is she going to get to the future at this point if that wasn’t her who was put in the ark, since given that whole dialogue about the True Dandelion I don’t think it’s her, I’m guessing she just going to show up when everyone about to leave and Ephemer has to defend the ark against the Darkling alongside the player so everyone can escape which could be the reason he gets left behind?

If that was Quadratum the Master of Masters was talking about then things just got a lot more interesting.

I just had a lightbulb moment, what if the seven crowns are all of the versions of Sora or Sora-adjacent characters in the series?
[LIST]
[*]Sora
[*]Roxas
[*]Namine
[*]Xion
[*]Ventus
[*]Vanitas
[*]Yozora
[/LIST]

These are good points, but I'm still inclined to believe Darkness is referring to the present moment, on the basis of what Ven says thereafter:

"If you're pure darkness, then that makes me pure light. If you used me to reshape yourself, then I can reshape you again."

I take this to mean that the "reshaping" has already occurred once, which can only refer to purification of darkness (and light, presumably, by extension) based on the information we've been given. But, you're still right about it happening in the future as it will happen again: Ven says "I can reshape you again," and we actually see this happen when Ven is split in BBS and Vanitas is created. In other words, the sequence of events is as follows:

Normal baby Ven --> Darkness finds a host --> Darkness is purified thereby --> Darkness splits off from Ven, leaving Ven to be a purified light --> Ven re-joins with Darkness [current update] --> time skip --> MX splits Darkness from Ven once more (edit: and gives it physical form), who has been "re-shaped" into Vanitas

That's my interpretation, at least. But you could be right that Darkness still needs Ven for a "true split" (seen in BBS, I suppose), though I'm not sure how that would qualitatively differ from what we're seeing in these updates.

Another interesting thing to recall at this point is in ReMind, when Sora enters Ven's heart, we actually hear Darkness speak - distinct from Vanitas. In future Sora's time, this is after Vanitas was defeated in the Keyblade Graveyard, though chronologically, Vanitas still existed at that point. So uh... who knows

I swear I'm gonna laugh hard if "Seven Crowns" is just another term for seven lights

I may have to review the old videos again, but it kinda felt like Darkness just walked out of Ven casually (and temporarily) like it wasn't a big deal, compared to what we see later when Ven is forcibly split by Xehanort and it leaves Ven comatose.

What's interesting to me is this scene greatly resembles the Ven vs Vanitas fight when Vanitas has forcibly rejoined Ven. "How about I destroy you both!!" after Vantitas told him the x-blade is incomplete. I guess that's not truly a reshaping, or at least, Ven wasn't the one that did the reshaping.

Eh, I'm kinda rambling. But you may be right. Ven is in an endless cycle of this in a way.

Yea that's an interesting observation. It could be that Darkness becomes dormant in some way after Ven's time jump, whereas here it is willful and conscious. Though I just realized, Darkness also refers to itself as formless, but Vanitas is very much not formless. So it could be that MX not only splits them again, but actually gives Darkness a physical form with which Ven can clash - hence the more forcible act of splitting.

We also still know almost nothing about the nature of the X-Blade, which has bizarrely never been mentioned in Unchained/Union Cross, but I feel like that plays a pivotal role in why Ven was chosen as a host for purification of darkness/light in the first place.

Also rambling here...

lol watch the “True Dandelion” be Sora or Riku

I'm loving how there's less evidence of the "Darkness" hiding inside Ventus not being Vanitas every update. It's like people forget Vanitas' own words in that new cutscene of his in KH3RM right before the clash. The new scene they chose to write in meaning it has value. The same cutscene saying how he was never Ventus' darkness born from him but instead a darkness that simply hiding inside of him as his own separate entity until Xehanort ripped him out of Ventus. There is no "he's the son of that Darkness", he literally is that "Darkness" hence his words.

I thought this at first, but Luxu actually jumps bodies so that leaves one more space for alternating those last few choices? the two missing spaces are either Skuld, Ava, or many believe Strelitzia... hmmm?

Ephemer needs to escape the data world since it's going to go kaput, but he doesn't need to go to the future. I think part of the reason Nomura had Lauriam and Maleficent duke it out was so we could visually tell the difference between the data lifeboat and the second daybreak town lifeboat rooms, the former now has a bunch of battle damage. This is key to understanding the scene with the true dandelion bit, the room Luxu and Darkness are in is unharmed meaning it's the second daybreak town's room. Ergo he uses one of the seven lifeboat for them and that's only going to leave 5 when the others arrive as Maleficent also used one, this matches Luxu's reports of only watching 5 of them leave.

So Ephemer, Skuld, Brain, Lauriam, Elrena, and Ventus all escape the data world using the 6 remaining pods but when they've arrived they find only 5 pods remain. 1 taken by Maleficent and another used to send that mysterious true dandelions and from there they have to decide who stays and who goes. Skuld, Lauriam, Elrena, and Ventus all go for certain so that leaves only Ephemer or Brain. I think only those 4 traveled time while Brain simply used the last lifeboat to move spatially which doesn't destroy a body or memories. Returning to the original Daybreak town where in he would rebuild it to be Scala starting that new keeyblade order, recreate the world, and grow up to sire Eraqus's line.

Ephemer stayed behind in the second Daybreak town and found some way to help the Dandelions escape. Maybe once in the other Daybreak Town Brain was able to set up some kind of link allowing the Dandelions to escape the data prison so they didn't vanish with that world's shut down. Either way they can't just leave hundreds of wielders alone, they are their leaders someone has to stay behind and lead, and that's a role best suited for Ephemer. Which is evidenced being what happened I think thanks to KH3 showing us Ephemer looks unchanged, contacted us from somewhere, and he was able to send the power of the Dandelions to help Sora and co. This would explain why he only sends the keyblades if they are still trapped in the second daybreak town since all the lifeboats have been used.

Also calling it now the true dandelion is young human Demyx, KH3 was cheekily foreshadowing this by Demyx carrying a white clothed figure (Roxas's vessel) the way Luxu once carried Demyx.

In both the original Organization XIII and the Seekers of Darkness, Demyx comes before Luxord. The numbering of Organization XIII is relative to their connections to another character either above or below their ranking, i.e., Saix and Axel and Marluxia and Larxene.

I don't see the vessel being Demyx because Luxord is from Quadratum and Demyx is unaffiliated with Lea.

Now that you mention the X-Blade... it broke into 13 pieces of darkness and 7 pieces of light. We don't know the whereabouts of the 13 pieces of darkness, but the 7 pieces of light are related to the 7 Princesses of the Heart, most of which are actual princesses of royal blood. And now there are 7 crowns, a symbol of royalty.
Maybe the 7 crowns are the 7 original light fragments of the X-Blade, the pure light essence that is passed from one generation of princesses to the next one.

Not really true as Demyx was a backup member unlike Luxord who was No. V in the real Org XIII.

Ahh, ok!
That all makes much more sense.

I think the most confusing part is the "Second" Daybreak town that just exists somehow.

I mean that's kind of all arbitrary? The number is strictly referring to when they joined the organization and nothing more. The first six are the founding members, the next two are Lea and Isa because they were ansem the wise's apprentices to but only joined right before all this went down, and then the last four were just found in no real particularly meaningful order. Xigbar found Marluxia but we don't know when Larxene, Demyx, or Luxord were found just that they were found before or after him. I will say given Demyx was the first real recruit of the org that does give credence to the idea they snatched him up pretty quick, which if he was a special dandelion sent by Luxu he probably was in Luxu's view the entire time.

Yeah, but even as a backup member, he was resurrected before Luxord.

That's not at all true, it's been proven that the numbering of the members of Organization XIII has a deeper significance.

Terra-Xehanort was founded by Braig and Dilan. Xigbar knew the truth of Organization XIII and helped orchestrate it hence why he's ranked II. Xaldin is ranked III because he helped Terra-Xehanort recover. Even has authority over Dilan and Aeleaus hence why he's ranked IV, Lexeaus is a personal guardian to Zexion hence why they're ranked V and VI respectively, Saix and Axel are best friend's which is why they are ranked VII and VIII respectively and Marluxia and Larxene are from The Age of Fairy Tales (Union Cross) which is why they're ranked XI and XII respectively.

That leaves Demyx and Luxord. We can assume Luxord's somebody to be from Quadratum based on the Kingdom Hearts III ReMind Secret Ending. That leaves Demyx. Xemnas states that Demyx and Luxord are connected to "The legacy of The Ancient Keyblade War". He never said that Demyx and Luxord were from The Age of Fairy Tales. Henceforth, it's a logical deduction to assume that Demyx is most likely from Quadratum just like Luxord.

I think people are overlooking that Maleficent and Lauriam accidentally destroyed one of the pods in their battle, leaving only 5 functional pods in the data Daybreak Town.

How are there three daybreak towns? Aren't there just two?

Something I just realized: if the world MoM is talking about is Quadratum, then the No Name keyblade must have been there at some point. When could it have happened?

I think you're onto something here, but I have a few holes to poke in your theory (or really, questions to further investigate).

I'm revisiting Quests 916-925 with the English translations from Global, when Maleficent and Darkness have their first convo about the lifeboat. Talking about how the lifeboat is incomplete, Darkness says: "It's useful to you BECAUSE it's incomplete. You need to escape this TIME, not this world. In its incomplete state, the lifeboat can't sustain a passenger's body at the speed it moves."
[LIST]
[*]What I glean from this is that what you're calling Daybreak Town #2 (the parallel DT) is on the same timeline continuity as the main series, since Maleficent moves forward in time in that DT and ends up in KH2 Radiant Garden.
[/LIST]

Also, the way the MoM talks about the 3 stages of Daybreak Town's events in the new update does not seem to indicate the presence of a parallel Daybreak Town #2 independent of the original Daybreak Town from [chi]/Back Cover:
[LIST]
[*]"You see, this world exists in three stages. First, countless Keyblade wielders are brought together. Then, as they fight through fear and see their leaders fall, their numbers dwindle, while others learn to stand on their own. Finally, those left must decide what to do when faced with darkness in a sealed-off world."
[/LIST]
It's been a while since I've revisited the scenes from late [chi]/early Unchained, so maybe it's actually more clear than I remember, but I think the nature of the Daybreak Town ("#2") without the Keyblade War events is still pretty unclear. Is that what Ava referred to as the "unchained" world? Something to do with sleep/dreams? If anyone could elaborate on this that'd be great.

Regarding the medium/waypoint, it's highly unclear what qualifies as a "medium" to complete one's body if traveling through time with the lifeboat. Didn't Maleficent manifest in KH2 through her cloak? And the MoM talks about his eye in No Name as being his medium. If these are both true, it would seem the medium has to be somehow directly related to the person in question. I'm not sure, by that criterion, that No Name/eye would serve as a sufficient medium for the other Foretellers and Dandelions/Union Leaders.

That being said, I noticed this very interesting exchange between Darkness and Maleficent in the official translation for Quest 925:
[LIST]
[*]Darkness: "Think of me as an old friend."
[*]Maleficent: "And why would this old friend want so badly to see me back in my own time?"
[*]Darkness: "I need you to act as a waypoint."
[*]Maleficent: "A waypoint?"
[*]Darkness: "Didn't I tell you earlier? In order to travel through time, you need a medium to form a body, and someone with memories of you. No one from this world has those in the future. But if we send you back, that all changes. Someone from this time could find their way to you."
[*]Maleficent: "And into the future?"
[*]Darkness: "That's not important."
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Still very confusing, but this would appear to indicate that it is in fact Maleficent who serves as the waypoint for the Dandelions/Union Leaders o.o

None of this makes any sense to me...

Okay let me try and break down "my" understanding.

World 1: The was the original world made up lots of other worlds all connected by land, Daybreak Town was part of this world. In order to gather light the BoP was used by the Foretellers to summon the future incarnations of the other worlds that existed at this time. Much in the way the data version of the worlds in Coded were connected to the real things and were able to show memories from those worlds that weren't written in the journal, the connection between the BoP worlds and the far away worlds enabled them to siphon light from those far away worlds without actually physically going to them. This world's fate is/was to be destroyed by the Foreteller's keyblade war and then someone is fated to return to it and rebuild it into smaller disconnected fragmented worlds. So in a sense it's destruction is a temporary step...

World 2: This was the refugee world set up for the dandelions. It's been said by Ava that it's a world made of dreams, an unchained world whatever that means, and this appears to be supported by Ephemer being able to contact us and Skuld in our dreams while he was in this world. This is the world all the Dandelions escaped to in order to avoid being swallowed by the war and is for all intents and purposes as real as any other world. We have no idea how it was set up but it's not like this is the only time someone managed to make a real copy of a world and stick only some people in it, case example Toybox, so I wouldn't stress the details on its existence too much. Either way the Foretellers would not be in this world to recreate the disney worlds to siphon light from so the MoM created another world within it which leads into world 3.

World 3: This is the datascape world comprised of a digital Daybreak Town connected to a bunch of digital disney worlds made using the data from the BoP. The digital daybreak town is linked to the Unchained Daybreak Town in a setup pretty much identical to Coded's where you had the real Disney Castle hooked up to a digital Disney Castle, which is in turn hooked up to a bunch of digital disney worlds. The Dandelions would transfer from their Unchained Daybreak Town into the digital Daybreak Town, and from there they could enter any of the digital disney worlds to harvest light.

In the MoM's plan World 1 was used to gather up tons of wielders and create a crisis that would weed out those who can resist darkness from those that can't. Ava was to pay close attention and gather up these wielders to form the Dandelions who would be sent to World 2 where they would start their training over this time working together and gathering up more lux via World 3 without it turning into a huge keyblade war. However World 3 was in it of itself a trap designed to act as a prison when the appropriate triggers were activated.

At some point all the Dandelions, their leaders, and even some Darkness all are shuffled into world 3 and locked up there which they only realized once the world started to glitch out. In this locked up world the Dandelions were to confront Darkness AND if Darkness could not be defeated a safety mechanism was put into place. When you activate one of the lifeboats the program goes "oh looks like they can't defeat Darkness time to go nuclear" and begins the process of permanently sealing this world shut, trapping darkness as well as unfortunately all the Dandelions.
The only way to escape is to use the remaining lifeboats and you know the MoM being who he is built enough for only 6 Dandelions to escape, since Maleficent was always intended to use one. He even made sure not to have Enchanted Dominion exist in World 1 or World 2, but instead World 3 as this would ensure Maleficent winds up trapped there and has no choice but to use a Dandelion to lifeboat to escape the data world triggering its sealing and ending it. I would assume unless you a find a way out you're either locked here forever or you're wiped out or something but who really knows.

I take it that Darkness did this deliberately not because it was written but because it wants to destroy the light and in this manner it can flush pretty much all the Dandelions away save for 6. Of course it would flush part of itself away too which is why it hitched up to Ventus, ultimately it's desire is to hitch a ride in Ven and use that to escape even if that means a temporary imprisonment. Now from this point you have to think of things in a less linear manner. The way I figure it is that 6 Dandelions (Ephemer, Brain, Lauriam, Elrena, Skuld, and Ventus) use the remaining lifeboats to escape from World 3 to World 2. When they get there they will only find 5 lifeboats as 1 was taken by Maleficent and another was taken by that person Luxu sent away. Luxu is in World 2 right now and he will see the remaining 5 used which he writes about in his report in KH3 and these 5 are Brain, Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, and Skuld.

Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, and Skuld use 4 of the 5 lifeboats to travel to the future. While Brain uses one to travel back to World 1 where in he will rebuild the ruined Daybreak Town into Scala. Then from Scala using the BoP he possesses he will set up the worlds to begin their slow regenerative process, and he will create a new keyblade order to safeguard it both as its being rebuilt and the completed end project. Brain grows up, sires Eraqus's line, and his keyblade is passed down through the order as well as used as the model for the new keyblades trainees use. Bingo bongo we have the setup for Dark Road's point of time.
About 80 so years later Ventus, Lauriam, Elrena, and Skuld all arrive a few years before or slightly after BBS. Where in Ventus ends up in an ageless coma cause of BBS and Skuld ends up as Subject X where in she was set free into the world by Braig/Luxu. Presumably Lauriam, Elrena, and Skuld all aged in the 10 years or so that Ventus slept which is why Marluxia and Larxene are adults, having become Nobodies only after they spent some time physically growing up.

As for Ephemer since all 5 pods were taken he was left behind, probably deliberately, because again I don't think he would feel comfortable as the overall Dandelion leader abandoning the Dandelions left behind in World 3 especially Player. So yeah I assume Ephemer finds a way they can transfer the Dandelions from World 3 to World 2 saving them from being flushed away. Then they just kinda have been chilling there and during KH3 we made brief contact with them and got their help.

I am so very curious about what is next!! im happy that ven is gonna play in the next arc and that he is important and maybe vanitas will come back? maybe vanitas is darkness? the 7 crowns could be used for the new 7 lights or whatever. but i think that m.o.m. seen either quadratum or scala.... but i just hope that its 13 lights vs 7 darks now. and i do hope that kairi, riku, and ventus will play a big part in the next arc. and wow i cant believe that mom planned how he would go to the future with luxu and his keyblade. clever! i hope that the 5 union leaders and the dandelions can be good and i want every good guy to fight him!!

I miss when KH was about people's struggles, emotions, a story that spoke to the meaningful parts of life and our human experience, and not....whatever this *gestures* is.

(Not denigrating you for theorizing Hiro lol, just the fact that we have to go to such an extent)

Still waiting for Nomura to tell us why Marluxia betrayed the Org the first time and decided to rejoin in KH3.

If i had to guess I would say it might be related to how Demyx and Luxord joined the organization

Yeah I would really like an answer to this at some point as it just seemed really out of character to willingly rejoin the Organization,the only thing I can think of that might make sense is if Xigbar somehow convinced him to re-join by mentioning something about how if he helps Xehanort, Xigbar can help him reclaim his lost memories even then I’m not sure why anyone would trust Xigbar in the first place or believe anything he says.

Unfortunately I don’t think we will ever get a answer as I think Nomura‘s answer is he probably just needed another villain for the Real Organization XIII doesn’t matter if it makes sense for the character or not

So am I the only one surprised it's just the one quest? No having to spend 15 quests backtracking or the like?

Will the final update also just be 1 quest?

Great job as always, Sign. I sure hope your player makes it out of the mess in one piece.

A true dandelion. I hope it's Elrena that Luxu claims is the true dandelion. Just think about it. The true dandelion or light or whatever is the somebody of one of the nastiest, cruelest, most vile Nobodies around. The irony would be so delicious.

Seven crowns? Oh here we go! Next couple years will be speculation on this I see. Since Luxord and Demyx weren't shown I'm hoping they are Quadratum characters. Maybe their Keyblade Legacy is something different.

So according to the dialog the Master of Masters isn't originally from Daybreak Town? And it now seems to me that Ventus is the "Sora" of his worldline before it was completely destroyed. He seems to be just as special as Sora himself is right now.

Not so. Ven may have that whole purity thing going for him, but he was a keyblade wielder to begin with through and through. Sora is a completely ordinary boy. That's what makes him (Sora) special. There's no one like him, at least, as far as we know.

In the character files, Marluxia said the next time he woke after his death in COM, he was already a vessel for Xehanort. The Seekers simply conscripted him, Larxene and Luxord; and Marluxia notes that Master Xehanort doesn’t care that they rebelled against Xemnas because he doesn’t see them as people - and can take control of them remotely if need be, as we know from 3D (and there have been whispers that he does the same in the Nort Court fight).

Problem is that Vanitas in 3 is from the past, and Ventus already recombined with Vanitas in BBS's ending so he does have darkness currently.

I think the fact that it was such a forceful separation is why he went into the coma.

There is a lot of bombs in these cutscenes a I believe all of us are happy with what we received. (Correct me but was the piano soundtracks has been used before? I wish that will be the battle theme when we face Luxu or MoM in the future, it would be epic)

- So the 7 Crowns. Unless the Darkness is referring this term as same as 7 Lights (Or could be 7 Darknesses?), this will be a new interesting plot that I believe we all can let the 7 Lights / 13 Darknesses rest in peace and move on to that new one.
- The way lifeboat function when time travel sheds more light to Maleficent's cutscene in KH2 when her crow reunion with Pete. But this will lead to the next topic.
- How come we knows what exactly timeline the lifeboat will bring us to? Or it meant pure random point in the future timeline? Because Ven will end up at BBS time from that battle scene, while Brain ends up earlier than that and Laurium somewhat after BBS happened.
- Darkness can out power 4 Dandelions at the same time while its alter ego (I believe so?) Vanitas is weaker at some degree. This makes me question in the future when we fight one Darkness, or even an army of Darkness, how will the power scale will feel like.
- I was so high in hope that MoM will reveal what is inside the box, but what he described after that what the box will do in the future is more important. The old Masters and Luxu himself in the KH3's secret ending will pull the strings behind the scene with this new info.
- The true Dandelion (this broke my heart when the current Dandelions are just the pawn after so many up and down moments they have been gone through) I believe will be a new character that will reveal if not in Quadrantum (I got the name correct?), or could be at the same dimension due to my belief in this idea: MoM's future version ends up in Quadrantum's dimension someway but not at the same Sora's dimension. Or another crazier and complex theory (just how Nomura plays with our minds so far now):

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[*]Quadrantum's dimension
[*]Daybreak Town's dimension (and its own versions)
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This means so far we have 3 dimensions. And because we knew the lifeboat has some way to work around with the person's mind and will, I believe that same person's will (for example Maleficent) about where they want to go (like, really really want to) will lead them to that dimension.

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What else we are missing? Anyway, thank you for the update Sign. It was a ride today watching through all those cutscenes.

New day, new ideas... Let's talk about Luxu.

By sending the true Dandelion to the future, Luxu is clearly disobeying the Master's order to not intervene. But he also claims that he understands what the Master really meant by that order, and believes that it includes what he is doing now. He is also going to return to following the orders after this, continuing to do so until the modern timeline.

Let's compare that to what Ava did. She also disobeyed the Master once, but stayed loyal to him after that, and even defended him quite fiercely when Luxu told her some uncomfortable truths about him. Luxu has come to conclusion that this is the right way: generally obey, but follow your own heart instead if the situation seems to require it. He learned it from Ava, and so he is calling her the true Dandelion. And suddenly, the whole scene makes perfect sense!

Now, you may ask, is it possible for Luxu to know what Ava did. I think it is. Luxu knows about the old switcheroo. The only place where he could learned about that is the scene where Brain revealed it to the other leaders. Ava's trick was discussed on that very same scene. I bet Luxu was watching it, perhaps from a computer screen in the real Daybreak Town.

Of course there are also some connections to real world philosophy here, like the old debate between Confucianism and Taoism/Zen Buddhism...

Gosh, that was really some epic stuff to see unfold and my head is still stirring a little from trying to comprehend the whole stuff about the MoMs plan and its stages plus what exactly Darkness wants and does.

The scenes with the battle against Darkness were among my favorite though simply because how they show the new Union Leaders still sticking together and once learning who really attacked Strelitzia Lauriam immediately returns to being protective of Ven, who apparently turned out to be pure light already way before Xehanort ever decided to to pull his heart-splitting move.

Also the Keyblade Ven summons, is that still Missing Ache? The keychain looks different, more like the one he also has on his Wayward Wind.

I'm at work right now so I can't really go deeper into things. :p

That's a very logical reason for them to be connected to the legacy of the ancient Keyblade war.

This is the kind of plot twist I love and the kind of plot twist I can see Nomura pulling. We've yet to see Elrena outside of her introduction to Lauriam and her finding out about Strelitzia's death.

Judging by how Luxu acted, I presume sending in that thing in the Lifeboat was more of a personal decision and not something the MoM wanted. I just wonder how much that action would affect, or has affected, the MoM's plans.


But it's an artificial body. We'd have to see if those laws apply here.

Or Vanitas is Darkness, since chronologically, Darkness existed first and Vanitas could be an offspring of Darkness refuging itself inside Ventus.

I think this basically sums it all up.

To confirm - is what is in the Black Box probably the medium by which all the foretellers (and the memories of Luxu) were able to use to come back at the current era?

We still don't know what's inside the Black Box. We were only given a clue, but Hirokey speculates that the Foretellers utilized the Lifeboats and ended up appearing in front of Luxu when he retrieves the Box because, since he recovered No Name and that Keyblade acts as a waypoint, that's the waypoint they needed in order to appear in present time KH

What if its some form of xehanort or xehanort himself luxu is putting into the lifeboat

While I'm curious to know what's inside the black box and who MoM is too, the mystery around both has lasted so many years that I'm more interested about the new revelations like what Verum Rex and Quadratum are exactly.

[spoiler]Also the missing upperclassmen from Dark Road. [/spoiler]

JP subs now available! Thanks as always to the magnificent goldpanner for her hard work <3

Isn't it so perfect that the virtual Daybreak Town is glitching out and collapsing right before the game's about to be shut down?

There's a lot in this update that I love.

He hasn't even been born yet

Honestly the more I read and think about it the more I think Darkness isn't actually the bad guy here. Something that has been bothering me, why does darkness react so strongly with protection? When people want to protect others that's when we tend to see people most easily be consumed by their own darkness. When things fall into sleep the darkness tries to protect them, an entire species of creatures called the dream eaters exists in two forms one to keep sleep going forever the other to protect the sleeper. As said a couple times in this series sleep is often equated to protection, a type of safety where you are alone but shielded from the outside. Even in DDD when Ansem the Wise recounts the hearts that fell into the darkness of Sora's heart he says that some were trapped there but others were welcomed into its warmth. For such a vicious force darkness gets associated with warmth, protection, security, etc....

So now what about Darkness? Well think about the keyblade war according to legend it all began when people of the light grew greedy for kingdom hearts and began to fight over it and then darkness was born in their hearts. The MoM said the original keyblade war was fought between people of the light and beings of darkness which makes it sound like a battle of good and evil, yet according to the legend the entire fight began from greed. So what if darkness is nature's defense mechanism. What if the people of the light were the greedy and evil ones, of which MoM is the last of, and the darkness was born to stop them. What if the original events went something like this...

People of the light greedy for the light fought over kingdom hearts and in the process they shattered the X-blade, the counterpart to kingdom hearts which exists to safeguard it. The blade split into two halves, light and darkness, and further into 7 lights and 13 darknesses. Maybe that's where Darkness first truly came from. The original Darknesses might have been the 13 hearts of darkness that came from the X-blade, and they still retain their desire/purpose to protect kingdom hearts from the greedy people of light. Likewise maybe the 7 lights are also retained a desire to protect but manifested that in a different way, as long as they exist they prevent light from vanishing. In essence it's a two prong defense one keeps light from vanishes the other seeks to take out any who would claim the light for themselves.

We don't know how the war ended up but in the end I think maybe Darkness won, they stopped the light from taking Kingdom Hearts and peace was brought to the world. But the darkness is unbalanced it didn't stop with the war, it continued to infect and spread silently, swallowing and imprisoning all the light it could not for evil but to protect it. So it's a slow growing plague and yes that makes it a negative but in a sense that also means it's the security system. As long as it exists kingdom hearts is lost and the world is on a course for destruction, but at the same time kingdom hearts is out of the reach of those who would abuse it and the 7 pure lights ensure the world will never truly cease to be. It's a broken messed up balance but a balance none the less, one which protects kingdom hearts from greedy people.

Thus the MoM trying to destroy darkness may not be a beneficial thing. On one hand he be taking out this plague that has kept the world in a cycle of destruction but on the other hand if this is nature's way of protecting kingdom hearts then he's removing the obstacles that stopped the people of light from claiming kingdom hearts in the very first war. In other words he might want to destroy the security system not because it's a broken messed up system, but because its still functional enough that it blocks his way to the prize. Darkness may be an antagonistic force but the MoM is the real threat and destroying Darkness would just remove the barricade in his way.

To elaborate on this a bit, this seems to not just be good timing/themeing but a reflection of the truth of the plot.

It has been said before, and now it has been said again in clearer terms: the entire story of Daybreak Town has been a constructed scenario by the Master of Masters for the characters to follow. A scenario in three parts, named in-universe and out as χ, Union χ and Unchained χ. And now it's time for it to come to a close, inside and out. There is no barrier of separation between the events of the game as written by developers and the events of the game as written by the Master. The mobile game ends. The virtual world ends. Nomura's scenario ends. The Master's scenario ends.

Not unless it's revealed he was actually from the Chi era who was sent from the past to Destiny Islands. Which I hope isn't the case

Yea not sure yet if its been confirmed when or exactly where xehanort was born. If dark road story ends when khux story ends the stories are probably gonna line up at that point

I mean I get why the MoM keyblade is HIS medium - but why would it be the medium for any of the other foretellers? I don't imagine they had contact with or any meaningful connection to the MoM's keyblade? Just seems weird.

There should be something in that box that is relevant to each of those foretellers, based on how this has worked so far. Maleficent's coat + someone who remembered her.

So, there is a lot of speculation in this thread about who goes into which pod. It seems nonsensical to me, because I'm convinced that no one will use any of the pods, other than perhaps the Darkness going to the future in one. Here is why:

First, we have the problem of getting from the data world into the real one. One of the secret reports says about this, "We're talking about the same trick that allowed the Dandelions to transfer to other worldlines after the Keyblade War." This trick cannot be the pods, because the union leaders didn't know what they are for until Maleficent told it to Lauriam. Also, would they leave the regular Dandelions at the mercy of darkness? That's not how these kids work! And then there is Elrena, whose existence in the modern timeline tells us that at least some of the regular Dandelions survived.

How about the time travel? The Master of Masters did explain away one of the problems with using the pods, namely how the time travellers get their bodies back. But the amnesia they are suffering from is still unexplained. Also, there are a lot of clues that Quadratum is somehow involved in this. We know from Melody of Memory that the leaders went there at some point. We know that the Master of Masters travelled to the future in some other way than using the pods (because no pods were missing), the description of his disappearance is quite similar to what happened to Sora, and at the end he is in Quadratum. Luxord being there also suggests a connection between it and the Dandelions, as does the stuff about dreams or visions (the ones seen in DR connect to the leaders, and Riku's ones to Quadratum). I have posted a lot about the evidence of Yozora being Ephemer before. In his character file, Luxu rambles about time going slowly or even stopping. Finally, Sora has been missing for a full year, but it doesn't look like he himself has experienced that much time. The explanation for all this is that time goes very slowly in Quadratum, therefore simply being in there is a way to go to the future of the more normal worlds, and it is also the method the union leaders used.

Then there is this chain of connections, which requires that the pods were not used in UX timeline:
The clock tower is a symbol of determinism and therefore the Master's plan. It being upside down under water means things didn't go as planned. Brain is the virus who derailed the plan, therefore it makes sense that he is also responsible for what happened to the clockwork (and this is something I should have seen much earlier than I did). Brain also has the Book and therefore the power to do such a thing on his own. And now we know his motive: the last pod being used would cause the world to fall into darkness. If the pods are under water, no-one can use them, and the fall doesn't happen.

We can continue this into the modern timeline as well. There, Xehanort has a similar machine, and there is evidence of time travel, such as Eraqus having jumped forward by something like 30-35 years between DR and BBS. Also, Scala ad Caelum got abandoned at some point. So, what if the people there found the machine (perhaps with some help from a black-coated figure) and experimented with it, not knowing about the danger associated with it. Scala fell into darkness, and its inhabitants fled to Radiant Garden. Then Scala got restored with other worlds in the aftermath of KH1, empty like we see it in KH3. This would solve so many mysteries at once!

Hmm... No Name having one of MoM's literal eyes in it might be the reason. They all received their own keyblades from him and he was their Master. And it would mean the contents of the box could be more exciting still than random effects of the Foretellers. Besides, what would those objects be?

Their clothes/masks? Possibly, but it seems they don't need to retrieve them from the box itself to wear them. Their keyblades? Maybe. Sadly we don't have much else to go with as possibilities besides that...

Unless...

If No Name is not the medium that allows the Foretellers to return, and the box contains said medium(s) needed, it is possible that something else important to the Foretellers could be in the box. Something we know every keyblade wielder in Daybreak Town had, and was unique for each of them, but that we haven't seen from any of the Foretellers themselves.

Their Chirithies.

Now that you phrase it like that, I suppose it makes the abrupt end of Union Cross all the more intentional.

This makes alot of sense and goes along with this other theory i saw somewhere that i really like. So the foretellers are named after the 7 deadly sins, and the one not accounted for is pride...which easily could be the Master. Going along with that idea. Lucifer in the bible had an issue with pride. He believed that he was better than God, and so that led to his rebellion. There are obviously arguments that can be made that MOM is a warrior of light..but so was lucifer. I think the most damaging thing to the MOM of being a good guy is the end of the secret video where he makes the heart hands. In that moment I think it's very clear the MOM has plans that involve Kingdom Hearts. If Kingdom Hearts is "God" in this situation, you could make the argument that the Master wants to surpass that role believing that he is better than KH. So if darkness is a security force, it would need to go to make the path to the prize easier. I just don't see a good guy making the heart hands like that who had good intentions in mind. Side note maybe in order to really harness whatever power the MOM is after HE can't be the one to summon it?

The Master is definitely prideful in other ways too: he misleadingly presents himself as the origin of the Keyblades and the beginning of this whole story, and when he does acknowledge the fact that there were other Keyblade wielders before him, he says that he was the only one that matters.

More than Lucifer, I wonder if the Master might be considered a demiurgic figure... that's a pretty huge rabbit hole, actually.

Yeah, we're sorta lead to believe that the Master of Masters was the original guy who forged Keyblades into existence, until the update where he's talking to Luxu about his past -- where he was fighting with other Keyblade wielders as well. Plus in Back Cover, we clearly see him instigating the Foretellers having a falling out with each other. Then there's him talking with Young Xehanort about the eventual path he's going to take. So it's clear that he's not a purely good guy in all of this. He's taking the "ends justify the means" road, which we all know can absolutely end up destructive. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", after all.

And if No Name really does have his actual eye, then he's clearly not human, because in no way does that look like a typical human eye.

Newest update sure implies that it's his actual eye, and Darkness says that he "came to this world just to destroy it?" implying that he's also alien to Daybreak Town. He seems to have a friendly (?) relationship with Darkness despite always wearing his darkness warding (leather) cloak. Thinking about KH always leads me back to FF3 for some reason, in which Darkness is not actually evil, and neither is Light but both have caused destruction in each other's realm. MoM seems to want to stave off Darkness in the Realm of Light, but has a very outside perspective of the world where even though he's intimately connected with everything he's also very detached from people and matters in general. He's almost too cool about everything, and it goes beyond just being able to tell some of the future; He says multiple times that he's bored and I can believe him.

Also don't let this distract anyone from the fact that Ven (Pure Light) is striking Pure Darkness right at the end there. It means the chronological first time the X-Blade was forged (to our knowledge) was Ven, meaning not only will he go through this again, but now I have to wonder if Xehanort knew his past.

I love this man

The definition of mad lad?

Yes!!!! Yet another wonderful gift he makes to the fans ♡♡♡

Not sure but Xehanort believes it was destiny

Xehanort's Report IX:

We Keyblade Masters have a special gift. We can extract a heart, be it our own or that of another. By continuing this cycle, it is possible to remain in the world of the living forever.As a boy, I dreamed of seeing the farthest reaches of the World. If I only went far enough, there had to be a world out there in which no one had ever before set foot. And now I know of just such a world. If I become the first to open Kingdom Hearts' door, I can create the Next World in which light and darkness exist in perfect equilibrium.So there I stood, with vast knowledge in one gnarled, dying hand, and newfound purpose in the other. The next step was clear: I needed a new vessel.And that was when I met Ventus and made him my pupil. “We were destined to meet”, and I could sense the potential within him, but the boy was too benign for his own good. I came to the conclusion he was too frail to serve as a vessel, and decided to use him for a second purpose I had in mind.I would remove the darkness from his heart and split him in two. Then I would have my heart of pure light, and my heart of pure darkness.

Gahhhhh now we HAVE to see these scenes fully rendered. This is so cool

Apparently there is a really silly bug in this update.
Interestingly, this is just the kind of thing a true Dandelion would add intentionally as a comment on the game being shut down prematurely... :ROFLMAO:

Well, the world IS ending, LOL

I actually busted out laughing from that. At first I didn't understand what I was looking at.

What's the bug

Lets add Darkness into the mix (if Ava isnt already cooperating with it) and think about two things Xemnas has said. First his question in KH2 why they (Sora and Co.) are so afraid of the Darkness. Second him knowing about Marluxia, Demyx and Luxords connections to the old times.
Surely the first one was at first of not intentioned to mean anything else than a try to push against Soras resolve (and thus making is resolve and fighting spirit weaker, but Rika intervened). But when Nomura can make the pots from KH1 relevant again he can do the same here with this line. Still, it can be something he (Xemnas) could have come up by himself, but the same doesn't apply to the other thing he knew of.

Ava being his "olf friend" and Aquas armor is just a distraction for anyone peaking into the room when Xemnas isnt around (Luxu) could explain stuff.


The only thing I have to say here is that I can totally see Sora ending up opposing MoMs plan by "accepting Darkness" as a part of nature.

I know its unlikeable (or is it? tbh on a second thought with the new reality it might be an option), but I realy hope he (Sora) does somehow end up at some point in a specific light-invested splitterworld of a specific FF game [ISPOILER]FF14 and the First shard[/ISPOILER], where he learns how harmful a world which lost its balance could be. But then again, even when Nobodies are pretty similar to [ISPOILER]Sin Eaters[/ISPOILER], the latter seems to be a little bit to much horror-esque for a KH game...

No skirts allowed.

Happens in the final scene when MoM is talking about the three stages of Daybreak Town. When it shows the Player rushing in to stop those two wielders from fighting, if you're wearing a dress or skirt in that scene, it just disappears and your avatar is completely naked from the waist down.

People have been trying to get SE's attention to patch it but so far they haven't acknowledged it so we're stuck like this 8D

Glacie acknowledged it

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Just came in here after at least 14 years to post that this thread got me a little hyped. Its been a while and admittedly I had some issues with KH3 and the mobile game, however reading this thread in particular reminded me of the old days where we were speculating on who the hooded figures were in the FIRST set of secret endings, and then who the knighted figures were in the secret endings of KH2. People scoured for every clue possible just like you guys are doing here. Super cool discussions, and hopefully I can see more.

Also, do they still have that KH browser based fan game on here!? jp but thats my age. XD

I'm impressed. Not only is this an awesome performance but this was done without Disney or Square Enix's formal approval.

Hey can someone explain why Ven has missing ache instead of wayward wind in this game and on that note how do you think Ven got wayward wind in the first place. Also when he gets his memories back do you think missing ache will return to him?