TWEWY characters to not appear in Kingdom Hearts 3
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- Published on November 6, 2018 @ 05:00 pm
- Written by Arielle
On October 30th, ARTNIA hosted a special closed door event to celebrate the release of The World Ends With You - Final Remix- on the Nintendo Switch. During the event, TWEWY creative producer and Kingdom Hearts series director Tetsuya Nomura along with TWEWY - Final Remix - producer Tomohiko Hirano, TWEWY series director Tatsuya Kando, and TWEWY - Live Remix - producer Ichiro Hazama sat down with fans to discuss the game and answered questions by fans who were lucky to attend the event.
One of the first questions asked during the Q&A involved the possibility of seeing TWEWY characters in Kingdom Hearts 3:
Q: Kingdom Hearts 3D features characters from The World Ends With You, but are there plans for them to appear Kingdom Hearts 3?"
Nomura: They will not appear.
Also, when asked about hosting another Kingdom Hearts cafe event similar to the 15th anniversay event for the Kingdom Hearts series last year, Nomura stated that there are some issues in making it happen:
Q: You should do a second Kingdom Hearts collaboration cafe event!
Nomura: There are many hurdles to overcome to have Kingdom Hearts collaboration cafe events. I'm trying my best!
ARTNIA Producer Matsushita: It's irritating that my power isn't enough!
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COMMENTS
Awww what a bummer. There goes my theory about the world on the box art being connected to Shibiya. At least we have confirmation though.
I think Nomura just really hates Shinjuku right now since he's stuck working haha
Well that sucks. So much for a TWEWY reunion in San Fransokyo. With then written off now I really hope we see old and new FF characters in KH3.
Well that sucks. So much for a TWEWY reunion in San Fransokyo. Now I really hope we see old and new FF characters in KH3.
Him giving a hard no about TWEWY but being vague about FF makes me more confident about FF’s presence in KH3.
Him giving a hard no about TWEWY but being vague about FF makes me more confident about FF’s presence in KH3.
Yeah, this means he’s just being coy. Thank god. That FF thread is depressing with how many people are ready to see the series let go of FF even though it is clear they are trying to weave it in more.
I was happy to see them in DDD but they did feel shoe-horned in and their presence was not well explained, or at all. And their relationships with Sora and Riku were super shallow (a classic example of "oh! I just met you I guess i'll help you can call you my best friend" that DDD was plagued with).
So while I'm kinda sad that the TWEWY plot-line has been dropped, hopefully they can come back in another game where the creators can devote more space to really making it work.
Heard it earlier this afternoon. Knew it, but it's always nice to hear a direct confirmation.
I really can't believe how many people took Neku's "See you in Shibuya" as hard proof of them being in KH III.
Bit of a shame, it would have been nice tie-in with the release of the remixed remix, and I think a Shibuya-inspired portion of San Fransokyo would have helped give that world some much needed character. Not to mention the themes of identity with Shiki, memories with Neku, strong bonds with Beat and Rhyme, and Joshua's gay coyness all could have contributed something interesting to KH3 where DDD didn't really do them much justice...excepting the last one which was still pretty on point.
Joshua's gay coyness
I'd be fine with an entire game of just this.
With TWEWY's absence it would be nice to see KH3 reference one of two other Square property in addition with FF.
I’m ok with this, the characters weren’t exactly fleshed out in DDD so people who hadn’t played TWEWY were confused. This let’s SE focus on actual KH characters. We don’t need any more characters to flesh out. We got enough.
Not surprising. It would've been cool to see them again, but I really didn't expect it to happen so I'm not upset about it or anything.
I'd be fine with an entire game of just this.
But how else will Sora learn to read between Riku's lines.
I’m ok with this, the characters weren’t exactly fleshed out in DDD so people who hadn’t played TWEWY were confused. This let’s SE focus on actual KH characters. We don’t need any more characters to flesh out. We got enough.
DDD sucked at characters in general and heavily favored flavorless plot shenanigans, it's definitely possible to tell a full and compelling story complete with characters we can learn to love all within the span of one world, as previous KH games have shown.
Wasn't really expecting them back tbh.
I’m ok with this, the characters weren’t exactly fleshed out in DDD so people who hadn’t played TWEWY were confused. This let’s SE focus on actual KH characters. We don’t need any more characters to flesh out. We got enough.
Eeeeeeh. Think of people who play the KH games who don't really have an attachment to Disney or modern Disney films or Final Fantasy and haven't seen the films or played some of games. Think of all of the people going into KH3 without having touched a game after KH2.
There are always going to be aspects of the series that are confusing to people.
The game is going to be chock full of characters, and they will either get just enough attention or not enough so it doesn't really matter how many they have in tbh
With TWEWY's absence it would be nice to see KH3 reference one of two other Square property in addition with FF.
We are already getting a Einhander reference. I 100% expect a Xenogears reference if the Gigas aren't already thought of to be that. While we aren't getting TWEWY characters, I imagine they might still have a reference slipped in.
KH3 is going to be nuts.
With TWEWY's absence it would be nice to see KH3 reference one of two other Square property in addition with FF.
Can’t wait for 2B in the Wall-E world. Lol
Can’t wait for 2B in the Wall-E world. Lol
The combination of those two properties is so wrong. I felt my soul leave my body for a second.
Like all I saw was robots on Earth, but its the entire segment before Adam's birth.
Nier: Automata is just Wall-E but if Wall-E never made it to the human colony...
I am not the least bit surprised by this, people took Neku's quote way too serious.
Extremely disappointing but expected. The hint in DDD was a troll then. Can we get 2B,9S and A2 please?
Extremely disappointing but expected. The hint in DDD was a troll then.
More than that, it was just a throwaway line.
Kinda like the "see you soon" they give to Disney characters when they leave their worlds.
It's a promise to see each other again eventually (and yes, a way to keep potential routes open in the future).
Extremely disappointing but expected. The hint in DDD was a troll then. Can we get 2B,9S and A2 please?
Those characters thrive on the appeal of Yoko Taro's vision of sadness and sadisticness, they do not fit into Kingdom Hearts whatsoever. Nier is part of Drakengard, and there's no way that Disney wants to be affiliated with that.
And Cid's potty mouth swore up a storm in FFVII. Didn't stop him from being the first FF character you're introduced to in KH. People forget how risque a lot of the referenced material is. There's a Bouncer nod in KHII. Shiro Amano got away with a lady of the night flirting with Sora in the manga. YMMV. So, let's not be presumptuous.
Speaking of which, I love how tough some of these responses are. "I KNEW IT. YEAH. I KNEW THEY WEREN'T GUNNA SHOW UP." Well, yeah. Now you do. It's alright to be sad guys. Don't be scared of your emotions~
I'm neither really sad nor upset about these news.
The TWEWY crew does exist in the KH universe so there is still a chance for them to eventually appear in later titles in some fashion.
You don't need to cram literally everything into KH III alone and while I get that Neku's line in DDD could be interpreted as a teaser it wasn't ever a given that it specifically points to KH III as the location for it to happen.
Who knows, maybe we'll get something in another concert snippet down the road in 2020?;P
Completely with a Joshua Rainbow dance?
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The Drakengard series? I know and played the first two of those and they're definitely completely opposite in tone and atmosphere than the KH series so if Nier is anything like those I agree it wouldn't fit.
Drakengard is much more on the cynical side than KH is.
Especially when one counts all the backstories of the central characters and the "lore" from the different weapons which makes many of Xehanort's vile things seem tame in comparison.
Going by the cover of Nier: Automata the main "connection" with KH would be largely visual as the main characters have a very similar "style" to blindfolded Riku from Days/KH 2.
I hope everyone understands my 2B comment was a joke. Lol
Speaking of which, I love how tough some of these responses are. "I KNEW IT. YEAH. I KNEW THEY WEREN'T GUNNA SHOW UP." Well, yeah. Now you do. It's alright to be sad guys. Don't be scared of your emotions~
Nah, I knew since DDD. Pretty sure somewhere in these forums you can find old comments of mine telling people it was going to be extremely unlikely at best.
It's not like I'm trying to make an achievement out of this nor I want to mock people for being sad, but... y'know, it also wasn't pretty for me way back then when people mocked ME for claiming that.
I took the sass then, some people can take a bit of sass back now.
I also don't particularly care, btw. I'm not sad because I never believed they were going to show up... I guess I'm a little relieved that they aren't trying to put literally EVERYTHING in KH III.
The Drakengard series? I know and played the first two of those and they're definitely completely opposite in tone and atmosphere than the KH series so if Nier is anything like those I agree it wouldn't fit.
Drakengard is much more on the cynical side than KH is.
Especially when one counts all the backstories of the central characters and the "lore" from the different weapons which makes many of Xehanort's vile things seem tame in comparison.
Going by the cover of Nier: Automata the main "connection" with KH would be largely visual as the main characters have a very similar "style" to blindfolded Riku from Days/KH 2.
Yeah, and while the 3rd Drakengard was more slapstick comedy, it was still way too... crass and mature for Kingdom Hearts.
Like yeah, they can tone it down, but there would be so much to do it wouldn't even be the same franchise.
Also I'm not sure I agree with letting kids playing KH III, meeting a watered down version of Drakengard characters and then looking up the original games.
I am a big boy and if I just happen to remember Ending B and D of the first Drakengard I'll sleep with my lights on.
(and yes, I know it was a joke, but it's a fun topic :P )
Someone who knows about Square more than I do, is there a reason TWEWY never got a real sequel? Not enough demand? If so, they sure do milk the first one a lot for something that nobody is checking for.
I wasn't really expecting them anyway, and I'm honestly glad they aren't considering how much will be going on. I don't want the TWEWY crew crammed into all that.
We are already getting a Einhander reference. I 100% expect a Xenogears reference if the Gigas aren't already thought of to be that. While we aren't getting TWEWY characters, I imagine they might still have a reference slipped in.
KH3 is going to be nuts.
Having Id Weltall or a Heartless based off Weltall would be the coolest secret boss for San Fransokyo. Time to wish upon a star and have this happen.
Someone who knows about Square more than I do, is there a reason TWEWY never got a real sequel? Not enough demand? If so, they sure do milk the first one a lot for something that nobody is checking for.
Square Enix is holding fans love for the series on ransom by determining the series of the series through the sales of the Nintendo Switch HD port. It's a shame that the game has been reported to run awfully in console mode.
Someone who knows about Square more than I do, is there a reason TWEWY never got a real sequel? Not enough demand? If so, they sure do milk the first one a lot for something that nobody is checking for.
Timing. Then the people above Hashimoto didn’t see the value in it. Then the F2P mobile game failed. The mobile port did okay. Still wasn’t enough to really convince the company to move forward with it. The Switch version is essentially everybody’s final attempt at putting it into motion.
Yeah, this means he’s just being coy. Thank god. That FF thread is depressing with how many people are ready to see the series let go of FF even though it is clear they are trying to weave it in more.
If I'm remembering this correctly, wasn't there an interview where Nomura talked about how he didn't really feel like FF characters were necessary until after a whole lot of people kept asking him about it, thus causing him to feel that they actually are necessary?
If I'm remembering this correctly, wasn't there an interview where Nomura talked about how he didn't really feel like FF characters were necessary until after a whole lot of people kept asking him about it, thus causing him to feel that they actually are necessary?
Yes. At the time he said his first initial statement, he didn’t say they wouldn’t be in KH3, though. If they weren’t in KH3 at all, he would have just said so like in the case of TWEWY.
It now comes off as him trying to intentionally downplay it for eventual shock value.
Yes. At the time he said his first initial statement, he didn’t say they wouldn’t be in KH3, though. If they weren’t in KH3 at all, he would have just said so like in the case of TWEWY.
It now comes off as him trying to intentionally downplay it for eventual shock value.
Now this is a good type of news, I would to like to see the TWEWY chars tho.
Yes. At the time he said his first initial statement, he didn’t say they wouldn’t be in KH3, though. If they weren’t in KH3 at all, he would have just said so like in the case of TWEWY.
It now comes off as him trying to intentionally downplay it for eventual shock value.
I sure hope my best boy, Zack Fair, shows up. He and Sora deserve to meet each other. The two puppies.
I was happy to see them in DDD but they did feel shoe-horned in and their presence was not well explained, or at all. And their relationships with Sora and Riku were super shallow (a classic example of "oh! I just met you I guess i'll help you can call you my best friend" that DDD was plagued with).
So while I'm kinda sad that the TWEWY plot-line has been dropped, hopefully they can come back in another game where the creators can devote more space to really making it work.
Actually Joshua explained that they lost their world and how traverse is a world that appears when people need one. Also I don't think it was too shallow. Sora was being Sora by being naive and friendly as usual but Xehanort was the one who told Neku to bring him Sora. It was kinda the enemy of my enemy thing.
Well rats, Shibuya would have made an interesting world. Or at least a part of it in San Fran. Would liked to have seen Mr.H fight Xehanort to a stand still.
Neku: See you in Shibuya
Sora: Sure its a deal... "leaves Traverse Town" LOL he fell for it!
well, shit. i was hoping for them to come back. have they confirmed Radiant Garden?
Neku: See you in Shibuya
Sora: Sure its a deal... "leaves Traverse Town" LOL he fell for it!
Neku: "Sora we've been waiting for you forever where are you"
Sora: "Terribly sorry Neku! See, I made a deal with a hooded stranger to accompany me to Shibuya by handing him an innocent passerby, and he turned out to be untrustworthy! Go figure!"
Neku: "...are you... holding a grudge?"
Sora: "Naaaahhh, what makes you think that? I'm being as honest with you as you were able to strike down that Nightmare! Remember Neku? The Nightmare you *totally* defeated all on your own? The big pellican thing?"
When TWEWY eventually returns to Kingdom Hearts I'm hoping we'll finally get to fight some Reapers. They have so many crazy super powers that the boss battle potential is limitless. I especially want Coco to show up and cause trouble.
Glad to hear the news if only to confirm in a more solid way that, of course, Final Fantasy characters will be returning. Let the speculation continue about just what characters will be making an appearance.
Actually Joshua explained that they lost their world and how traverse is a world that appears when people need one.
He said they lost their existence, he didn't say anything about their world.
I sure hope my best boy, Zack Fair, shows up. He and Sora deserve to meet each other. The two puppies.
Think of the overcrowding though! There's waaay too much in KHIII, right? It just wouldn't work. Remember how Zack was covered in bullets and blood at the end of Crisis Core? Disney remembered that and redacted Zack~
Do I sound like anybody? :p
Sad face. I'm thankful they got to make an appearance at least once in the series.
I wasn't really expecting them to show up here so I'm not super disappointed; my interpretation of their agreement to meet again in 3D was more that it was keeping the possibility open for future titles rather than being a promise that they would come back in 3. I wouldn't mind if they came back in future titles, although I would probably prefer if they were more integrated into the KH universe rather than being awkwardly shoved in (of course, a lot of 3D's storytelling felt a bit awkward so I don't necessarily blame them for that).
Neku: "Sora we've been waiting for you forever where are you"
Sora: "Terribly sorry Neku! See, I made a deal with a hooded stranger to accompany me to Shibuya by handing him an innocent passerby, and he turned out to be untrustworthy! Go figure!"
Neku: "...are you... holding a grudge?"
Sora: "Naaaahhh, what makes you think that? I'm being as honest with you as you were able to strike down that Nightmare! Remember Neku? The Nightmare you *totally* defeated all on your own? The big pellican thing?"
Yeah he probably still hates Neku for leading him into a trap xD
I couldn't remember for the life of me what TWEWY stood for, so I just kept saying TWEWY out loud to myself until I eventually remembered.
Why, yes, it did feel silly!
I couldn't remember for the life of me what TWEWY stood for, so I just kept saying TWEWY out loud to myself until I eventually remembered.
Why, yes, it did feel silly!
I mean it was also in the first sentence of the opening post xD
Yeah, but I habitually go to the latest posts first, whether or not it's a thread I've already explored. xD
I'm disappointed about this for sure. Not that I expected them to be in KH3, but I hoped, I really hoped.
TWEWY characters and the return of Zack Fair were my biggest hopes for characters that might not make it. Here's hoping for Zack.
Yeah I am not surprised they didn't choose this title to bring the TWEWY cast back. I still have hope they will bring them in a future title. I still think "see in Shibuya" meant more than just the "come back soon" sorta deal in Disney worlds. Especially since the latter is a way to explain how you can come back and technically see the characters in that same game. However, TWEWY cast left after that scene, so that convinced me more it meant a bit more than just leaving it open ended
I didn't expect them to appear, so this isn't too surprising. I do hope they appear in the KH series again at some point.
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