Arendelle in kh3 was so bad... I hope if it is the movie team give them more creative freedom

Considering that there's supposed to be at least another unannounced game before KH4 and that Disney+ thing hasn't panned out yet, I'm just ignoring this. I doubt that a game called "KH4" is in any sort of development beyond in Nomura's mind.

At least it will be a pretty forest. And I love that little salamander. Though I don't know what makes anyone (who's familiar with the series) think we're going into KH4 before Sora & Riku at the Reaper Games Tokyo 2022.

I highly doubt it. I think they should move away from movies and create custom disney worlds like disney castle, where more freedom would be possible.

I‘m not surprised, but still excited! I genuinely enjoyed Frozen 2 and I imagine they cay do waaaay more with it. I think this could be so action packed and I HOPE they‘ll have Show Yourself in it.

Regardless if this is true or not, I think Frozen 2 is almost a 100% shoo-in for a big Kingdom Hearts game. Arendelle being unpopular among the KH fanbase doesn't mean much. They still used Pirates in KH3, even though many didn't like the world in KH2.

I want to say I hope they aren't as restrictive with this one, but this is Frozen.

I, for one, would be SHOCKED that Nomura would think to include a Disney world that is the home to two of the new seven hearts. /s

But seriously, and shilling for Disney + here, if you love behind the scenes then definitely check out the Frozen 2 BTS series. It's the best look you can get at the making of a modern Disney film, from getting to know those in the animation and rigging department, to the song writers, voice and music recording, being put into the writers room, and seeing the gigantic tub of advil on Jennifer Lee's desk.

It's insane and spectacular. I wasn't too big on Frozen 2 but this doco made me see it in a whole new light. And if you had issues with the plot, this series will tell you exactly why because they actually didn't come up with the crux of Elsa's motivation until a couple of months before release, so the story was effectively stitched together at the last moment.

The trailer puts the usual Disney fairy tale gloss over it, but it's an intensen and insane look at how the people at Disney put together a movie essentially in under a year.



[URL unfurl="true"]https://collider.com/into-the-unknown-making-of-frozen-2-documentary-disney-plus-review/[/URL]

And add me to the list of people who don't have hope that a Frozen 2 world would actually be used to its full potential.

I don’t want any Frozen world in KH anymore after they fu***d it up in KH3. It’s literally the worst world ever in my opinion.

I hated the Frozen World, which is funny because ice themed levels are one of my favourites.
Much prefer a Zootopia world, which somewhat fits the Kingdom Hearts setting (wanted it for KH3 but they already have a city based world being San Fransokyo)

That would line up with my predictions for the remainder of the series.

I think a Frozen 2 world could be quite good, even with similar story restrictions for Ana and Elsa, as there is more cool stuff in Frozen 2 like the Nokk and other elemental creatures that can be incorporated, as well as a more interesting landscape than just snowy mountains.

No no no, a million times NO. Frozen is GARBAGE for KH. The creators have massive sticks up their bootyboxes, same as Disney head management. Pick literally anything else. PLEASE.

Wasn't there imagery found in the files of KH3 (or ReMind?) that appeared to be elemental symbols. That would line right up with F2's elemental spirits, which were sorely underused. Elsa catching the salamander was my favorite part, and then he never got to do anything! Except be very cute. He'd be a nice summon, should Disney deign to allow such a thing as summons again.

I remember watching the opening to Frozen, and thinking, wow this could actually be an awesome fantasy movie. And then the mom starts singing that forced song and I knew something had gone deeply wrong in the story department. Did anyone else get the sense that there was supposed to be a new character (the mist witch) who was completely cut from the story?

Anyway, while it wouldn't be my pick for a KH world, I personally think you could do worse. There can never be enough forests, and it has a lovely autumnal one. And I personally don't think Arendelle even came close to approaching how terrible San Fransokyo was.

edit: Oh, I do hate the New Seven Princesses thing, though. How could I forget.

Even if it's just a rumor Arendelle will definitely return at some point.

Are Elsa and Anna even going to remember SDG? They barely even acknowledged them in KH3, lol

I just want more 2D animated films in KH dammit -3-

This isn’t even real news to me. If anyone thought Frozen 2 wasn’t going to be in the next game, they were lying to themselves.

Anna and Elsa better darn well be party members this time.

They gonna make the world with a little creativity as possible because disney, sad news but predictable

Look Disney, just give me my Zootopia & P&tF worlds & we'll call it even.

Well, a lot of this micromanaging every facet of the company came from Lasseter. Even though he's gone now, some of that thinking in the way the studio does things in marketing and so onis probably still followed (hopefully to dissipate as time passes). And you have to look at the fact, too, that Disney was really trying to make a comeback for a long time and Frozen was the first time in forever that they got to be above all the other animation studios again since the '90s. Dreamworks and PIXAR had been running the show for the last decade before that.

So Disney's very careful with Frozen for that reason. Zootopia's the only film that's made as much as Frozen and Frozen 2 did at the box office of their newer films, and yet for whatever reason that film still doesn't sell merchandise, have the brand recognition, or get the same amount of attention that Frozen does from the public. Which is a shame, because Judy and Nick are great characters.

Yep. Frozen is their big cash cow. If anything they'd rather be caught dead than let Elsa be a party member.

Their brand should lick the players' nuts. I know Disney is intrinsically tied to KH but damn. If you don't want the branding or image to be tarnished/altered, then don't include it in this anime crossover.

I will acknowledge that Frozen was their biggest hit, but that shouldn’t not mean that they have to limit Frozen 2 this time around. The film was a mess. We know it was a mess because they let us see them develop it and struggle with it the whole way.

At this point, they should be happy for people to come in with fresh eyes and make something that barely came together into something fun and enjoyable for a group of fans.

As long as Larxene doesn't drop in and create a really boring maze level I'm good with it.

Ugh. Arendelle was trash. Frozen II was trash. No thanks.

I love Frozen and really enjoyed the Frozen Fever short. But everything after that has been decent to bad when it comes to Frozen. Frozen's popularity has really come back to give it frostbite. The restrictions on Arendelle made it the least fun KH3 world for many, and certainly didn't win over anyone who already didn't like Frozen going into the game. Then there is Frozen 2 the movie. I like the movie, but I also felt it had a lot of missed opportunities in the film too which make it just a okay movie, but not a great one.

A lot of elements (lol) from Frozen 2 could work in the KH universe but only if they are allowed to. The fact that Elsa or Anna were not party members and barely interact with Sora was such a bad choice and one I cannot forgive no matter what the reason. I have no doubt Frozen 2 will be used, but I hope the leash is loosened. Who's even going to be the villain in a Frozen 2 world in a KH game?

Doesn't matter which Kingdom Hearts is, there's no way Frozen wouldn't come back. Now I would be happy, if Disney doesn't ruin everything again.

Kingdom Hearts is going for its 20th anniversary and Square is the main reason why a lot of people are still on this ride. Let them have more freedom. They don't have to prove anything anymore.

In Kingdom Hearts 3 base game felt like Square priority was to please Disney first and then they decided to rush the rest.There was never a KH game that made me feel that way and of course that didn't end well.

Fortunately ReMind came out and that definitely felt like it was done for the fans and only us. So good!

*Reads initial post*
Now, I'm going to hope that this is just as it claims to be at the moment: A rumor and nothing more. As I've said countless times before, there are other disney properties worth pursuing that represents an ice level better than frozen II of all things that would give Square more freedom to do what they want. Everyone knows that Frozen sucked in KH 3 and shouldn't have been implemented. It's all based on popularity at this point. It's highly unlikely that we'll see Robin Hood or the Jungle book at this point, because most of what KH 3 had to offer were new worlds that were released after the year 2000 (Olympus Coliseum notwithstanding). Don't you just miss the days were Nomura actually LISTENED to fans instead of doing what he believes is fanservice. At this point, he might as well remake that crappy Olaf short that premiered before Coco in theaters and just shoehorn SDG into the plot.

100 Acre Wood was wholly wasted. I cried, sure, but they didn’t give it the love and respect it deserved. Three minigames that were the same...barely even 10 minutes of a plot...what a waste.

But yes, Nomura and the development team decides what they want to do. It never been about the fans, although they try to take what feedback they receive into consideration.

Regardless of how the world is handled I just hope we get winter clothing this time. Still can't believe the world order decided to let SDG freeze to death instead of giving them proper clothing

Maybe the reason Nomura is so interested in the concept of utilizing darkness but not letting it overpower you is because this is how it feels to work with Disney

I didn't need this rumour to tell me this or to make me think it. What's next, someone going to report a rumour that the sky is blue?

Unfortunately, the reality is that Frozen 2 will probably be in KH4 - which doesn't excite me at all. I was excited for Frozen 1 in KH3, but after seeing how that panned out, I think I'll just wait for the other world "rumours". The only thing that could possibly make me the slightest bit interested in Frozen 2 being in KH4 is if Elsa is on your team... hopefully she doesn't take up the KH mandated "1 female Disney party member per game" quota, because I would rather other female Disney characters over her on the party.

Seeing Kingdom Hearts 4 in a rumor headline fucks with me on extreme levels.

Forget about Donald's magic, I want 0.2's accessories back. #MakeKHstylishAgain

I just don't want to believe that KH4 is on the horizon because I liked games like Days, BBS, etc. a lot more, and would rather see more of that kind of episodic gradual storytelling than have to focus on Sora + Disney advertising for 16 hours again. People who think those other games are "spin-offs" (or as i saw a certain person call them, "tiny games") can just keep being wrong. But it might just be 3 being what it was that makes me apprehensive about 4, and it's entirely possible that 4 will be much better due to focusing on new story beats. I don't know.

It's obviously highly likely to appear in KH4 but I can't get excited bout this. Arendelle was horribly done in KH3 and I wasn't a big fan of Frozen II.

I'd rather see Elsa and her water horse be summons/links rather than have to see a world based on that movie.

Why is that "no way to run a game series"? The numbers are arbitrary and I like the vast majority of non-numbered games better anyway. The title of a game shouldn't change anything other than perception. And going by what the titles have signified thus far, I'd vastly rather have 6 interesting smaller-budget psychodramas than 6 big budget Disney ads.

I was basically expecting them to only do subtitles from now on to avoid the number stigma, maybe using some kind of particularly snappy title to denote the biggest budgeted ones, but then Nomura's been using the word "KH4" on occasion so I guess not. But it would be the most accurate way to portray things.

Yes, and they are demonstrably wrong in thinking so.

Like I said, the title shouldn't change anything other than perception. Everything you just said is based on peoples perception of the series, not what's actually in the games.

Things were so much easier before Disney insiders realized KH is a really big deal and there's a lot of traffic and internet brownie points to be gained from it ?

BBS is just as major a game as KH1 and KH2, actually correct me if i'm wrong but BBS was originally planned for Ps2 and they had to cut a lot of content to have it fit on PSP

I could contest the individual points here pretty easily (i.e. 0.2, Back Cover and MoM are not handheld titles nor numbered entries / the differences you could point out for KH1-3 vs. others are a product of expectations and budget more than storytelling, etc.), but instead I'll just say that I don't find it damaging at all given that, again, I like esoteric and meandering stories vastly more than I like KH3. And if the series is primarily going to focus on high budget high profile games from now on, I will find it vastly less interesting a story.

Unrelated to the recent posts - remember that Disney will shill Frozen through multiple mediums. They made two short films and a 5 part Lego series so Disney would of course get their biggest video game property (outside of their side companies like Star Wars and Marvel) to throw Frozen 2 into it.

In fact, just tonight another Frozen short film was announced for Disney+, which takes place during Frozen 1. It's Olaf's origin story and follows his first moments of life following Let It Go. It's completely unnecessary but alas, it exists.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://tvline.com/2020/09/09/frozen-olaf-origins-disney-plus-once-upon-a-snowman/[/URL]

I'm more optimistic about Frozen 2 being a lot better. Even if it's still bad I can't see it being Frozen 1 bad. What they have to work with by default is already a big improvement.

(No let it go for one :)) I hope KH4 is only next gen tho. I would think square would want to continue "wowing" people in how close they can visually get to the films. Not sure how likely they're to move to ue5 but i hope it's on the table. The tech advances with it being next gen only and on ue5 would make kh4 look nuts

I mean Frozen 2's world already has one big disadvantage to it already. It won't have Larxene, who was one of the saving graces of Arendelle along with Marshmallow.

I hope we get to go back to Derpendelle at some point and the broken Spirit Lord of the Land Elsa joins the party :D

Frozen 2 was better then frozen 1 in my opinion, the songs were great and the story was simple and fresh.

Geez, this thread surely was.. a lot, lol.

I think people have a lot.. of residual anger towards Frozen as an IP because of how much Disney pushed it, but I think it was a really cool movie and all the kids I know love it as well.
You know. The target audience.

Haven't seen 2 yet but I know it's considered a much better movie and features more to work with as well (and the better soundtrack. I love Into the unknow SO MUCH.)

As for the world itself: I agree that Arandelle was probably the worst world in 3. But I felt the same towards Port Royale in 2 and I hate that franchise with passion. Turns out The Caribbean was probably my favorite world in 3, or at least the one I have the most memories of.

I'm personally excited to see what they'll do with this whenever we do get a fourth entry in the main series.

Arendelle better not become the new Atlantica/Agrabah.

Would rather they not include this world if Disney demands such a control over its content. We know how that turned out in KH3. A waste of time that did not even make narrative sense as a contained world in the game, with the omission of Hans.

If Nomura can negotiate more creative control from the getgo it could be somewhat entertaining. Not hyped for it in any scenario though. I am of the opinion that Kingdom Hearts needs to start pushing the ratio of worlds in the favour of original worlds, not Disney ones. It doesn't need them any longer.

I'm hoping for more flexible from Disney. I want the Disney elements of the world to better help the overall plot of Kingdom Hearts. I would name examples but I feel like I would just be a broken record at this point. In short when I go to a Disney world in a future KH game I want it to truly impact the plot, and for something important to happen. Remember when Sora found Kairi on Hook's pirate ship?

I think the FF chatacters just bring a different energy with them. The interaction between Yuffie and Cid is unlike any we had among the original characters.

Also like [USER=251825]@Noivern[/USER] said it's just kind of fun to see how they'd be reimagined to fit with a given Disney World, something we sadly didn't get to see that much in the series so far.

To be honest, I kind of expected it. Don't forget, some of the new princesses still are unaccounted for, and so far, Tiana, Merida, and Moana can fill in those gaps as they're already Disney Princesses, but the story of the new princesses obviously isn't over, so delving into sequel films isn't a stretch, especially if said film actually managed to be a success and didn't fall into the "sequel curse."

I am definitely not ready to buy a PS5 yet. I bought a PS3 for KH, turned out that the new numbered title skips a generation and all the games in that time were handheld. Lesson learned. I'll wait until there is a confirmation of a IV on PS5.

I do wonder if they'll really switch to UE5. That demo was gorgeous, and honestly, Luminous Engine was not worth the time. XV came out way past its initial announcement and it was still buggy as hell. I'm not looking forward to Project Athia...

i agree that frozen in kh3 was not good but if this is true, i hope it was way better then it was in kh3. i love frozen and i hope they do good in kh4