so pirate is only live action good call as for world i think three or four are left disney and i think we see more of radient garden soon good find dandelion

also i respect nomura for not acattion season pass model i always hated you saying with the season the game is incompelte

Woohoo! This confirms there's 2-3 worlds left to show off not including the original worlds, which is probably where 100 Acre Wood will come into play.

So 2-3 more worlds.

I have my choices but I'm glad there's still a few more Disney Worlds left to reveal.

Looks like the 9 Disney worlds and 4 original worlds is likely.

10-11 Disney Worlds. RG, TT, DT, KB for OG worlds. Makes it in total more then KH2.

Remember they said there's 3 arches of worlds. Beginning, Middle, End.

100 Acre Wood does not fit in this scenario considering it's housed in Radiant Gardens.

So you still have 2-3 more Disney Worlds remaining not including 100 Acre Wood.

Nomura said there's less Disney worlds than KHII.

Yes I know that and have been saying that when people say it'll only have 8 or 9. It's not gonna have less then or the same as KH1 not gonna happen.

10-11 makes it less then KH2. But when you add on the OG's it makes it more worlds total then ever before. Which is what Nomura has basically said in interviews. That KH3 has more worlds total then ever before in the series.

More new worlds, more original worlds returning, worthwhile DLC in the future, and no Season Pass.

Kingdom Hearts 3 is looking more promising everyday. It might just become my favorite game in the series if the story is good.

For every world, there's a Seeker of Darkness dabbling in it (with the exception of Twilight Town having two, but that's probably because 100 Acre Wood is returning), so having 13 worlds just makes too much sense. It fills Nomura's ODC itch.

Also, if we look at Kingdom Hearts III as the extension to Kingdom Hearts 3D, you see that we have 7 sleeping worlds from the former game and 13 regular worlds in this game.

So we have seven Disney worlds confirmed and one known through leak. I was hoping for a numbered estimate, but he did say some were left. Maybe two more in addition to 100 Acre Woods?

So now here's the Worlds confirmed so Far

Tutorial (I'm guesssing the Tutorial will focus on Lea and Kairi man i thought we're going to go to Twilight Town First as Sora but Olympus will be the First World to go to First)

Interlude: With Mickey and Riku (Encounter Aquanort) Realm of Darkness

Beginning

Olympus (The First world we start at)
Twilight Town (After Olympus then Go to the Mysterious Tower to get Sora's New Outfit)
Toy Box
Monstropolis

Middle

Radiant Garden (?) (100 Acre Wood for the Optional World)
Kingdom of Corona
Arendelle
The Mysterious Jungle (The Jungle Book)

Final

San Fransokyo
The Caribbean
The Lost Empire
New World or Mystic Bayou (Either one can make it)
Cable Town
Keyblade Graveyard/Kingdom Hearts

Note: Since Pirates of the Caribbean has been Chosen to return for Kingdom Hearts 3 it's likely that Treasure Planet won't be coming for Kingdom Hearts 3 since Roy Conli has Two of his Movies and it looks like Treasure Planet won't make it in the Game so we're stuck with Tangled and Big Hero 6 so no Two Pirate Worlds.

Good news is we won't get a Season Pass so i can see at least a Couple a Freebie DLC Packs

I'm satisfied with the number of worlds, I'm just CRAVING some more worlds crafted from traditional 2D films at this point. Nomura, plz.

Also, I'm tired and just connected the dots that PotC world is the one with the underwater gameplay mentioned weeks prior. 6_6

So 14 worlds total then, because like you said 100 Acre Wood wouldn't have combat nor a seeker of darkness in it. Which leaves us with at least 2 Disney Worlds left not including 100 Acre Wood.

And I really hope those final 2 films are 2D animation and one is a classic film and not a recent film. PATF and The Jungle Book. Though I'd kill for Robin Hood.

So i'm expecting 10 disney worlds, which means 3 left to reveal+big hero 6 gameplay, sounds about right when 7 months left to release.

So what do we think are the final 2-3. I hope it's 2D animations world, I don't think we need another Pixar. The only one I'd want is The Incredibles as it'd be amazing to have all the Par family as your team mates. That'd be incredible.

I want old school Disney Classic Jungle Book and maybe Princess and the Frog or Atlantis.

Since Xehanort apparently wants to make new PoH, it's possible at least of the last two could go to a Disney Princess film. Princess and the Frog? As for the last one, I think it could be Jungle Book.

Kida really does seem like a good fit. Just wait for the heart to take her and dip.

Princess and the Frog seems to get more and more likely, which I'm getting way too excited about!! As for the final world, I could honestly see maybe something like Atlantis making it in, not sure about Jungle Book (though I would love that world).

My predictions:

9 Disney worlds. 4 original worlds. One for each Seeker with the exception of two being in Twilight Town and all in Keyblade Graveyard.

Beginning

Olympus: Xigbar
Twilight Town/Mysterious Tower: Ansem SoD and Xemnas
Toy Box: Young Xehanort
Monstropolis: Vanitas

Middle:

Radiant Garden/100 Acre Wood: Isa
The Caribbean: Luxord
Corona: Marluxia
Arendelle: Larxene

End:

Cable Town: Master Xehanort
Bewitching Bayou: Other Riku
Atlantis: Terra-Xehanort
San Fransokyo: Aqua
Keyblade Graveyard/Kingdom Hearts: All

Guardians:

Sora
Riku
Kairi
Mickey
Roxas
Lea
Xion

I trully don't think we will only get like 4 original worlds.. there's too much for us to see...

Radiant Garden
Twilight Town
Mysterious Tower (I consider to be an original world lol)
Land of Derpature/Castle Oblivion
The World That Never Was
Disney Castle...

etc lol

We aren't fans of season passes either Nomura. At least I'm not. Dlc was a given as I'm sure there are ideas he has that didn't fit into the schedule plus there's likely to be a 'Final Mix' at some point.

Also while we were expecting atleast a couple more worlds, it is nice to hear it from the man himself.

Replace this "other Riku" with Demyx since he's pretty much a guaranteed nort at this point. Terranort is iffy




We don't really know if he ditched it or not. Plus the Norteen would probably need somewhere to reconvene.

We don't really need The World that Never was though. I'm certain Xehanort ditched the castle at the end of DDD.

I hope even if we don't SEE Tron, we still hear and interact with him. I'm still heartbroken over the other Tron remembering Sora and Sora just barely missing his hand

“I don’t think I’ll ever really release a season pass of sorts either, because I’m not fond of that model.”

Nomura needs to stop making me swoon with his wonderful words.

Oh look, more information! And it sounds like GameInformer has more interview subjects to put up as Time goes on~

Agreed. Though I can't help wondering if/hoping this is more subtle shade being directed at FFXV. I just live for the drama.

I don’t think Demyx is a near guaranteed Seeker at all. The only reason I can think of that points to that is circumstantial fact that we don’t know where he is. But that’s far from a guarantee of anything. If a character like Dilan who was more loyal and survived longer is passed up as a Xehanort vessel, I don’t see Demyx being one. It’d be more appropriate for his character to serve a supporting role like Ienzo.

The returning Org members will probably just be the four who survived until TWTNW in KH2 plus Marluxia and Larxene. I think it is doubtful we’ll see any more returning as Seekers after this point, outside of Xion possibly. Larxene and Luxord were likely the last one-two punch in regard to returning members.

A Demyxnort reveal would be lackluster, in my opinion. Adding him would make the new Org a majority of returning members despite Xemnas saying most off them weren’t worthy. I’d rather they be a minority so that they don’t retcon that statement and so it doesn’t feel like the same old Org as before with a handful of new faces.

Apparently in another GameInformer interview Nomura confirms that you gather ingredients for the Ratatouille minigame throughout KH3, and if you do well at the minigame you can get buffs!

Also he addressed the lack of FF characters by saying he's not as concerned with bringing them into the game as he was in the past, because now stuff like Dissidia and World of Final Fantasy exist.

If that's the case then I guess it's safe to assume not to expect any new FF characters outside of hopefully Leon and the gang.

Tbh I would love a conclusion to that but I'm not sure if it would really fit in the game without being on the short side, which wouldn't be bad but like... [strike]tho tbf they had the perfect chance to make the Tron worlds more plot relevant by somehow tying in Flynn with knowledge on the Keyblade/Xehanort in 3D especially since Ansem had to get the program from SOMEWHERE but whatever[/strike]

No new FF characters? Wtf. What about Rinoa who was hinted at? Not even Lightning and Noctis? Massive disappointment.

Well when asked directly he didn't say "There will be no new characters" or anything... his response was more along the lines of "I can't talk about unannounced characters, look forward to future information".


He didn't say no new FF characters, he said it's just not as much of priority for him.

He heard our prayers.


He hates us.

If y'all think Nomura isn't somehow gonna shoehorn in his bby boi (as well as Lightning who is still getting hella marketed over in Japan) then y'all must be wack. At least one of them will make it in, surely. As for anyone else, well, that's up in the air. Pretty sure we're gonna at least get a conclusion to the Cloud & his dankness aka Sephiroth arc. Which is the perfect promotion for FFVIIR so doubt they won't somehow shoehorn that in.

You can read the whole thing here: https://www.gameinformer.com/e3-2018/2018/06/12/nomura-on-kingdom-hearts-iiis-final-fantasy-characters-aquas-popularity-and

If anyone from Gameinformer is here - tell your editors that this is annoying.

It really is. And sorry, I didn't want to assume it would be okay to direct link.

Thanks!

“There will be some times in the game where you’re able to control characters other than Sora, but I just won’t say which character at this moment.”

Characters? o:
No, please, tell us more Nomura.

I think at least one yes, they will.
Just a hint of the appearance of Rinoa was in the credits of KH2.

Ah this gives much more clarification. At least a few new FF characters are a possibility. Also I like how he is surprised that Dark Aqua overshadowed Frozen's reveal.

Darn no New FF Characters (Well i guess No Lightning or Noctis or Zidane or Anyone at all).

I'm also somewhat grinning about his "I just wonder if everyone will be okay."-statement as it can be seen twofold.
He's talking about the in-universe characters but more about the fans themselves because of his surprise to the strong response.

Well yea, Nomura, this shows that many people care about the characters you created despite any mediocrity in the writing sometimes.

My prediction is 10-11 Disney and 5 Original

Disney

Arendelle
Toy Box
The Caribbean
Monstropolis
Corona
San Fran Tokyo
Olympus
The Jungle Book
Princess and the Frog
Atlantis

Originals

Disney Castle
Twilight Town
Daybreak Town
Radiant Garden(100 Acre Wood)
Keyblade Graveyard

People really need to accept that Alantis isn't happening.

Oh so you're saying that the Rest of the 2D Tradiational Animated Movies should be saved for the Next Saga.

I agree Atlantis isn't happening

That's a pretty funny username there

I hope it's useful DLC like more keyblades. Also, it's hard to imagine a season pass for this series. For kicks, one way I imagine them doing it is by creating KH3 Final Mix and having a long, but split up epilogue.

Omggggg... Love how people are like: he said there are more worlds. This means 1000 worlds left and Jungle Book confirmed.... like no? Wtf. Maybe 2 worlds or 3 with a minigame world like 100 acre woods. I don't think we should espect more. The game is huge. I think there are going to be 9 Disney worlds in total. Not more than that. And stop saying that Jungle Book IS a world. You don't know. People are acting as if they already now. Nobody said PoTC and look...

I love how Nomura mentioned that "not many big games seem to release their game and be done with it". As in, a lot of games don't release in a full and completed form and are designed from the beginning to also sell DLC and extra content outside of the base game. It seems Nomura doesn't like this nor agree with it and that makes me very happy as I had always feared there being a Season Pass or something for this game, and I'm glad Nomura isn't fond of it. That being said, the fact that he does want to continue releasing content after the base game launches is also fantastic. Nomura has the approach to DLC that I fully support: Focus on making the base game a fully-finished product that isn't an advertisement for DLC, then think of extra content to extend the playtime of the game AFTER the base game has been out for a while.

Yo ho, yo ho Nomura says more Disney worlds to come. Let's be happy that this at least means more than 1 Disney world is left.

And DLC possibilities mentioned again. That's nice.

In the next interview regarding DLC, Nomura had this to say: “I do want to look into potentially releasing DLC after [launch], but nothing have been solidified or decided on what we want to do or what we will do,” he said. “I don’t think I’ll ever really release a season pass of sorts either, because I’m not fond of that model.”

Oh bless you Uncle Nomura !!!

He is a cruel man, to be sure.

Isn't the concept of Final Mix a Season Pass of sorts?

Last time I checked, don't think so

Example would be Tales and Persona, think of Golden and FES as the Final Mix to Persona, additional content, game improvement, season pass would be all the XV content and well that game did good, no one wants that

A Final Mix isn't just NEW content, it should be content that fundamentally changes a standard playthrough as is, with new combo modifiers, enemy colors, collectables, and scenes. It shouldn't just be tacked on endgame stuff.

Man, being a Rinoa fan is tough. No Dissidia, no WOFF, and now no KH.

I really hope Nomura isn't being secretive about the other playable character only for it to end up being Riku again. If Riku isn't the only other playable character then that's fine, but if he is then that's not really anything new.

i really think it kairi i understand it could riku but i think he a red herring plus the other reason i think it could be kairi she the only doesnt have weapon of some in her render right that beciase i think they going reveal kairi with a keyblade in the future then in th e game we play as sora until we sweitch to kairi unecpetdly

Agreed. Playing as Riku isn't very exciting, especially if it's only for some short segments of the game. Now, if we get to play as Roxas again, or Kairi, or Lea or someone like that, that'd explain why he's keeping it secretive.

The biggest highlight for me was he mentioning segments in which you play as someone else: I still hope this means that instead of a long burst with a different character we get shorter sequences with multiple ones.

Making another playable character, even one, is a ghastly amount of work. The current team clearly doesn't have the best grasp imaginable on polished gameplay and are only now starting to make Sora fun to play.

I'm going to be annoyed seeing "only Sora" complaints, because these are the complaints of consumers who care less about game feel and just want faux variety. If we get to play as Riku, Kairi, Lea, etc, what fundamentally changes in the game? The devs would need to create new dynamic animations for every character. New attraction animations, new transformation animations, ground combos, air combos, climbing, swimming, flowmotion... It's a lot to test, and time is finite. Why put in all that work when you could push Sora's mechanics to the peak of perfection? Your favorite characters are playable in other games. The mechanically maligned ones that people didn't enjoy.

I'm with Launchpad here. Though I think Nomura could be hinting at the encounter between the Lights and Darks, where each Light gets a Nort assigned, and we can play as them.

Guys can someone help me out here, where's the page of the dialogue that a VA for Kairi says about Axel always looking at her sometimes cause she reminds him of someone else?

What's the actual dialogue.

that could be awesome it coule explain why kairi has no keyblade in her render

I think the reason Kairi's keyblade isn't in her render is cause they're not ready to reveal her new one.

Kairi:

I didn't notify you but you might've already heard from Yen Sid-sama.
I've come to train to become a Keyblade wielder.
Until now, I've only been waiting for you guys to come back from your journey.
Maybe with this I can at least help out a little.


The magician Merlin-sama can use magic that surpasses time.
Here, we can forget about the flow of time.
Isn't it great?


Lea's training with me.
He apologized to me over and over again.
It's alright,
I'd say,
But he'd keep on apologizing...


At first I was a bit scared but
As we trained together we started talking to each other.
I found out Lea also has a best friend he wants to save.
I felt like, he's not a person that I can bring myself to hate...


Sometimes..... He'd stare at my face
So I'd ask him, what's wrong?
"I don't know, but I feel like it's something I must recall", He'd say...


Your journey is a journey that will help many people
and the people you'll meet from now on
I have a feeling these people you meet will also need your help


The journey might be hard but
Please stay as the cheerful and bright Sora I know
Because your smile, will save many hearts.....


*end*

(credit Exclusive canon back story for Kingdom Hearts III shown at Kingdom Hearts Orchestra - World Tour - in Japan - Kingdom Hearts News - KH13.com - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts)

Maybe I don't want faux variety, and at the same time I don't need additional characters to do EVERYTHING Sora does.
Give me a Riku with dark powers Sora couldn't have, a Kairi who plays in a different way (more of a ranged fighter perhaps), and I couldn't care less about them having attraction flows, twenty different transformations or even all the basic combos: even just a handful of combat options and a single unique boss fight would be enough for me to say "okay, at least this isn't just Sora's story and other characters MATTER and they're doing something".
I couldn't care less about making Kairi able to climb walls, but you gave her a Keyblade? Make me use it. ONCE.
So, definitely not just Riku's three commands during Final Xemnas, but also not an entirely new "Sora" in terms of gameplay: an inbetween solution isn't exactly unheard of and some games managed to pull it off decently well.

Like, in these past months I've been all about making the game smoother and valorizing gameplay, but let's not deifying it now. Kingdom Hearts is still also a big emotional trip and a story needing to be told, I don't see anything wrong in wanting to play with more characters since it's a series that doesn't have just one protagonist, even if they don't reach top-notch quality gameplay, I'm willing to accept the trade-off. Especially given many characters were playable in bad games.
And Kairi playable in none.

Just because you aren't necessarily playing AS a character doesn't mean their moment is ruined. Cutscenes go a long way with characters; fan favorite Axel has been playable in one game and relegated to cinematics in all others.

End game bosses should test the skills you've practiced, not ditching them for completely new ones. Having Sora and Kairi team up against a Nort goes way further to benefit story and gameplay. A 2v1 where Sora and Kairi sync up to use boss specific limits is way more hype than putting the main character on the sidelines and making the boss essentially a set difficulty gimmick fight.

KH2 did this perfectly in it's final battles. Fighting with Riku as a partner is 1000x cooler than just becoming Riku. Same goes for teaming up with Axel, all the FF characters... Seeing how they can assist SORA, the main character, is much better than taking everything away.

I highly agree with this. Whether it be a tutorial character, an hour or so segment where a character is off doing their own thing, or just the final boss(es) where we get to rotate between characters, I feel like it's important to have more than one character experienced. While Sora is the main character, this is many different characters' stories being told. Especially for a character like Kairi who hasn't been playable before, I feel like it'd add to the gameplay and story. Even Mickey could have a ten minute playable segment and I'd be fine with that just because it's new and exciting and I feel like KH3 is the perfect time to do new and fun things.

Sora teaming up with other characters would be cool as well, but I feel like moments where you switch to a different character, like the Ellie moment in TLoU, are very creative and interesting and offer something different.

I think segments where you temporarily play as another character would work more like Riku from the Final Xemnas fight, rather than Roxas from the prologue. I expect a very limited amount of actions and only very specific battles. Riku couldn't use forms, growth abilities, summons, combo modifiers, etc. I wouldn't expect other characters to need to be able to have transformations, attraction flow, flowmotion or even the ability to swim. Roxas in KH2, too, can acquire basic abilities such as Aerial recovery.. but he never needed to have the swimming animations Sora had in Atlantica.

Basically, we don't know the situations and in what capacity these other characters will be playable. As far as we know, these characters will already be party members at one point and will require less additional work to make them playable. Hell, this may lead to multiplayer.

Despite otherwise claims KH isn't just Sora's story alone, Nomura himself acknowledged that when he spoke about how many characters and their own problems and stories are to address.

KH II was the worst in the aspect of highlighting the other character's stories and experiences by delegating more than 80% of them behind the scenes, a thing that gets painfully blatant when you delve into the KH 2 novels once.

Having characters represented in cutscenes and more focus shifts (like DDD did between worlds) is certainly a step up on this, but there's also the factor of Sora feeling ridiculously overpowered and being given every available agency (from the audience's view) if it is always solely him playable.
Like i.e. Ansem SoD is a sort of Riku's personal enemy/nemesis, Master Xehanort is Terra's and/or Mickeys, Vanitas is Ventus' and so on.

It just doesn't have the same impact nor the narrative and emotional connection if it is just Sora fighting them in a sort of proxy role.

With Larxene being apparently after pure hearts and considering her past treatment of Naminé she could be build up to be a good personal enemy for Kairi (their personalities also clash quite a bit) and binding all this together could be an actual good display of things being done in actual teamwork and not delegate the other characters to just cannon fodder or stalling for time extras who have to wait for Sora and his superpowers to arrive to get anything done.

I'll be honest, even just a measily, cheeseball triangle-mashing reaction command trade-off among all seven guardians in the final battle would be enough to make me fangasm~ I'm hoping that we assume actual control though, however much of a stretch that is...

* * *

Man, Nomura is trooolling us hard. I can see it now. He is pulling directly from Monsters Inc., canning the wailing and moaning from the souls all over the globe assuming we aren't getting new FF characters and snuggling them for sweet sustenance post-interviews. And, like, how daft does he think we are? That we think he's that daft that we'd be surprised by a Frozen world, considering is toxic explosiveness in both US and Japan markets. No, sir, Mr. Nomura. You'll not get my goat, you silly man.

This just made me think on Riku's new Keyblade. A big spank paddle like that would have a completely different fighting style from what he's used to.

Pfft, we should start a petition to rename Riku's new Keyblade into "Spank paddle" and everytime he hits something with it there's a distinct "DOINK" sound.

Seeing as it was at one point a playable section of KH3, I still believe the other playable characters will be akin to Aqua in .2. They’ll already be at a certain level and each will have a set few unique spells and a style change. They’ll all feel different and have unique traversal techniques, but it won’t be that difficult to get accustomed to. They won’t have near the complexity as progressive as Sora.

I like the idea of Kairi being a ranged fighter. Let her Keyblade transform into a recurve bow.

I'd say there's a gigantic *despite* hidden there.
But I can just twist this around: just because a non-playable character won't necessarily suck or feel useless doesn't mean you can't try to make them even more part of the action, nor that doing so will ruin them or the game.
Fandom-hated Kairi has been relegated to cardboard cutout since Chain of Memories and she has as many enemies as fans (if not more) and she embodies the definition of useless in many people's minds.

And yes, I agree you can make her better also by just writing her better, but you gave her a weapon, a combat weapon. One that very important people wield in the game where those very same vips are going to duke it out in a big clash. I'd say this makes her case a tad different than Axel's development throughout the series and justifies her fighting an enemy or two.



Oh, I seriously doubt this would go full circle and put Sora in the sidelines, nor it should. Have Sora do something throughout the entire story (and that's pretty much a given just by having the game unfold), and at the same time have other people doing equally important stuff. Just the supposed darknesses are thirteen so almost double of the supposed lights, I'm sure we can have different fights without the good guys going on coffee breaks.
I don't think the entire concept/experience of endgame bosses will be ditched if one or two are "sacrificed" for storytelling: Kairi fights Larxene at the very end in a show-off fight, and that's a missed chance for developing your Sora techs? Just rummage through the Barrel-O-Norts and pick another one out of the eleven dudes to give Sora that testing skills fight.




That's, like, your opinion man.
Personally I'm a bit sick and tired of people doing stuff for Sora, to Sora and out of Sora. Ally Riku didn't give me any hype after the first 5 minutes of having a Keyblade-wielding ally, and in the subsequent 11 years of playthroughs I so wished I could control such wielder.

Also man you phrased that like the other characters should be honored to even be of use to Sora, and if they dare taking something for themselves they're putting his main character privileges at risk.
Personally I find the "oh no, weird cards/a strong gust of wind/Xemnas magic/a building is preventing us from taking action, it's all on you Sora" in KH II kinda silly and some old trope we should move away from. I understand that in KH II times the brief Riku moments were the best you could offer without destroying the gameplay experience, but we have way better tools nowadays and I think it's time to have stories about friendship actually mean the message they bring and not a glorification of the perfect fearless main character.



It's always nice that Fudge reminds us what's really important in life.
Riku will spank all dem youngsters

I demand his transformation should be called "That's a Paddlin'"
EDIT:



This too. Again, I think narrative impact should get as much loving care as the gameplay, and that's just not happening in the supposed story-ender KH III if it's just the "Sora&pals who are kinda there" show.

Man, I dislike KH2's gimmick fights more than most people. I just want a consistent quality challenge, and everything I know about this series tells me that character switching leads to poor quality gameplay.

Hey, and just to clarify, I hear you.
I don't want you to have an overall bad experience with this title, and I generally agree with your concerns.
I think the divisive factor here is that I don't feel like you have to entirely switch leads for giving secondary characters the spotlight, and it can be done with a few fights to goof around with on the sidelines.

If I came out too harsh or dismissive I apologize. I try to use humor to diffuse the situation, but I know it can quickly make me into a sarcastic prick.

Everyone here has a point. Relegating every single Nort to Sora would be underwhelming and anticlimatic. But at the same time, these sort of interchangeable character mechanics haven't worked so well on the series, and we don't want any hiccups during the series' finale. But I feel that if, maybe, if they can pull very unique experiences between worlds, especially how ambitious the Caribbean seems to be, it's possible they can pull a Light Vs. Dark encounter where you can fight with different characters, and each one has his own style.

Please oh please, let the remaining worlds be 2d IPS.