Kingdom Hearts Melody of Memory logo found in Dark Road website
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- Published on June 15, 2020 @ 02:03 am
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The website for KINGDOM HEARTS Dark Road went live earlier today, seemingly ahead of schedule. Despite being inaccessible for most visitors, it hasn't stopped fans from rummaging through the site's data, looking for new images and details. To our surprise, there appears to be a new logo hidden in the files for "KINGDOM HEARTS Melody of Memory."
What do you think Melody of Memory is? How does it relate to Dark Road? Share your thoughts with us!
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IS THIS
COULD IT BE
A RHYTHM GAME SPINOFF
I'm so confused as to why it's seemingly on Dark Road's section of the website, but perhaps it'll be a logo for some orchestra performance part of the app, maybe?
Edit: god damn the acronym is MoM
Please don't be anything like FF Theatrhythm..
IS THIS
COULD IT BE
A RHYTHM GAME SPINOFF
PLS I WANT THIS SO BAD
PLEASE BE THEATRHYTHM
I feel like it's definitely going to be some form of theatre thing (possibly like KH 358/2 Days where we see what was going on in other character's heads behind the scenes. But you know, theatre).
Hooooooo boyyyyyy I was NOT prepared for this one.
My inner dialogue rn is just
“Don’t get hyped don’t get hyped dontgethyped”
There’s hope yet for it to be non-mobile!
There’s hope yet for it to be non-mobile!
Nintendo switch rhythm game?
I'm so confused as to why it's seemingly on Dark Road's section of the website, but perhaps it'll be a logo for some orchestra performance part of the app, maybe?
Edit: god damn the acronym is MoM
Hi this is Skullboj. I don't know why but this pictutes are effectively on the dark road section of the website. The link name says "Android version" and another "Apple version". It might be a new game which I really doubt, or an Music Album. Please note there's already a KH Music album called Melody "&" Memories, which is not exactly the same, yeah, but who knows. Also thanks for creditting me KHI, I really appreciate it.
There’s hope yet for it to be non-mobile!
Console title huh? Melody of Memory wasn't the title I was expecting for DDD Volume 2, lol
I'm expecting this to be some paraphernalia-related business, like an album or concert or something pertaining to the UX/DR app. But if it turns out to be a new game, ESPECIALLY a console title, then this will be very welcome news indeed.
Hi this is Skullboj. I don't know why but this pictutes are effectively on the dark road section of the website. The link name says "Android version" and another "Apple version". It might be a new game which I really doubt, or an Music Album. Please note there's already a KH Music album called Melody "&" Memories, which is not exactly the same, yeah, but who knows. Also thanks for creditting me KHI, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the find! I don’t think it’s a music album
*STARES INTENSIVELY FOR SEVERAL MINUTES*
Welp. I'm excited.
If it really is a rhythm game, I wonder if it'll reintroduce Sound Ideas.
IS THIS
COULD IT BE
A RHYTHM GAME SPINOFF
Nomura, you mad lad. You've finally made the musical game you wanted to
I don't like rhythm games...but I survived CoM, so I'll give it a shot.
Nomura, you mad lad. You've finally made the musical game you wanted to
Give us honeybee inn kingdom hearts nomura
Console title huh? Melody of Memory wasn't the title I was expecting for DDD Volume 2, lol
Could still be a mobile game, but a console game isn’t ruled out at least. My bets are on it being the game teased by Re:Mind’s title screen or a theatrhythm-esque game revealing Demyx’s origin story... the story of MoM. ??
Nintendo switch rhythm game?
I don't think so; they made it explicitly clear that they've learned their lesson about splitting up the series on so many platforms. Don't think they will repeat that mistake again.
Hi this is Skullboj. I don't know why but this pictutes are effectively on the dark road section of the website. The link name says "Android version" and another "Apple version". It might be a new game which I really doubt, or an Music Album. Please note there's already a KH Music album called Melody "&" Memories, which is not exactly the same, yeah, but who knows. Also thanks for creditting me KHI, I really appreciate it.
Thank you for the find!
I don't think so; they made it explicitly clear that they've learned their lesson about splitting up the series on so many platforms. Don't think they will repeat that mistake again.
To be honest, I’d rather have a Switch exclusive game than the mobile games.
I wonder if the title having a reflection underneath will mean anything.
When I say musical, I mean like everything is Les Misérables with singing. Nomura's wanted to make this game since 2012.
Give us honeybee inn kingdom hearts nomura
PLEASE. I WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
LET?THE?CHARACTERS?SING!?
I wonder if the title having a reflection underneath will mean anything.
I was just about to point this out. There’s gotta be a reason for it as I don’t think any other games have done this.
I wonder if the title having a reflection underneath will mean anything.
Final World
Final World
My thoughts as well. If this is the game coming "surprisingly soon" which is related to the Re Mind title screen, then this probably has something to do with Kairi's search for Sora within her memories. When Fairy Godmother mentions her at the end, it changes scenes to the Final World.
Color me exactly 0% surprised if Nomura makes a rhythm spinoff canon.
Okay, so the things we know about this:
[LIST]
[*]Sora is not the protagonist (the K & S in the logo are long)
[*]The mirror reflection can represent the Final World
[*]The colors and "Memories" represent COM
[*]MOM means MoM or Sora's mom are involved
[*]Melody?????
[*]Frozen 2 was considered for this project while it was in development last year~
[*]wait what?
[/LIST]
Could still be a mobile game, but a console game isn’t ruled out at least. My bets are on it being the game teased by Re:Mind’s title screen or a theatrhythm-esque game revealing Demyx’s origin story... the story of MoM. ??
Better yet, Demyx is MoM's long lost son.
Give us honeybee inn kingdom hearts nomura
I don't want to see Don Corneo anywhere near Kingdom Hearts, lol
[LIST]
[*]Frozen 2 was considered for this project while it was in development last year~
[*]wait what?
[/LIST]
*whistles nonchalantly*
The Kairi game being a rhythm spinoff would be so perfectly Nomura.
I don't think so; they made it explicitly clear that they've learned their lesson about splitting up the series on so many platforms. Don't think they will repeat that mistake again.
Thank you for the find!
If that were true, they wouldn't be making mobile titles.
On the assumption it actually has a plot and isn't like P3 and 5's Dancing All Night, Namine could be involved.
If that were true, they wouldn't be making mobile titles.
More people own mobile devices than gaming consoles, and these games are all free to play.
On the assumption it actually has a plot and isn't like P3 and 5's Dancing All Night, Namine could be involved.
When has Nomura ever made a game that didn't have a plot? He is literally obsessed with every game (and every concert) having a plot.
When has Nomura ever made a game that didn't have a plot? He is literally obsessed with every game (and every concert) having a plot.
Is it that far out there to assume a rhythm game doesn't have a plot? At the very least, I highly doubt it would be filled with one.
Melody?????
Wait, are we finally get an adaption of the Disney movie we’ve all been clamoring for?
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Is it that far out there to assume a rhythm game doesn't have a plot? At the very least, I highly doubt it would be filled with one.
lol
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Okay, so the things we know about this:
[LIST]
[*]Sora is not the protagonist (the K & S in the logo are long)
[*]The mirror reflection can represent the Final World
[*]The colors and "Memories" represent COM
[*]MOM means MoM or Sora's mom are involved
[*]Melody?????
[*]Frozen 2 was considered for this project while it was in development last year~
[*]wait what?
[/LIST]
[LIST][*]MOM means MoM or Sora's mom are involved
[/LIST]
MOM could also potentially be Mark of Mastery? There’s a number of characters who could potentially be ready to take the test. Terra, Ventus, Kairi, Lea, Roxas, Xion, and Sora are all wielders who aren’t masters. If it truly is DDD vol 2, character(s) taking the Mark of Mastery could work well.
Huh. What do you know about this? Perhaps this is the title that is coming soon that Nomura mentioned.
MOM could also potentially be Mark of Mastery? There’s a number of characters who could potentially be ready to take the test. Terra, Ventus, Kairi, Lea, Roxas, Xion, and Sora are all wielders who aren’t masters. If it truly is DDD vol 2, character(s) taking the Mark of Mastery could work well.
I doubt it because I personally believe the bolded have been written out of the series for one or more games and, traditionally, a game where protagonists undertook the Mark of Mastery had them all be playable.
Forget the Mark of Mastery. Nobody that would be the main character of this game would be in a position to do it. Kairi is not ready at all. In fact, KH3 reinforced that she was not prepared to protect Sora like she wanted.
The other characters don't need to do it. Lea, Roxas, and Xion are not traditional wielders.
Ven is probably not going to do it. The MoM actively led to the divide between TAV.
Sora is crystal or stuck somewhere atm. He isn't doing shit.
Just imagine if the Reaper Game was secretly Sora's MoM exam this entire time, lol
Seriously though I could see Kairi saving Sora acting as her own Master Exam. Yen Sid may feel she is worthy of the title after that
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To be fair Spock, that doesn't exactly scream thick plot. It could amount to Coded's plot for all we know. (which granted, is why I think Coded is the best bridge game)
Ooh this is exciting.
Maybe the "Melody" in the title is a reference to it being symphonic, like multiple stories together or something. Think BBS or DDD but with Riku and Kairi, maybe even scenes showing what the rest of the cast are doing too.
After all, the logo has connections to Chain of Memories (similar color scheme), the Final World (the reflection), the titles without Sora (long K and S), and weren't the Twilight Town gang going to look into Roxas and Xion's memories or something as well? Memories seem to be a major plot point for the next game either way.
Or it's Theatrhythm Kingdom Hearts and we were all pranked into thinking Kairi would actually have a playable game. Lol.
I doubt it because I personally believe the bolded have been written out of the series for one or more games and, traditionally, a game where protagonists undertook the Mark of Mastery had them all be playable.
Theoretically, assuming it is the Exam, I don’t think all seven of the characters I listed would be involved. It would likely only be 2.
As for writing characters out, I think Nomura set it up so that he could write any and all of the characters out for now, but still has enough leeway that he could also bring back any that he wants to play an important role in the next saga.
Forget the Mark of Mastery. Nobody that would be the main character of this game would be in a position to do it. Kairi is not ready at all. In fact, KH3 reinforced that she was not prepared to protect Sora like she wanted.
The other characters don't need to do it. Lea, Roxas, and Xion are not traditional wielders.
Ven is probably not going to do it. The MoM actively led to the divide between TAV.
Sora is crystal or stuck somewhere atm. He isn't doing shit.
I guess it depends on where this game picks up. Is it immediately after the events of Re:Mind, or has some time passed? It would make sense to me that Kairi went back in Merlin’s time vortex to train more before going to find Sora.
It could also not actually be the exam, but could be some sort of training for the exam. Yen Sid could give Kairi the instruction that, should she succeed in freeing Sora, it will be time for her to take the Exam.
Just spitballing ideas, anything could happen honestly.
Melody = hearts in tune
So are we going to consider the Naminè = Ava theory now or just give a shit about Naminè here or too soon?
LET?THE?CHARACTERS?SING!?
In this case, I will be hogging Roxas for that.
INSTA KILL! ?
Crazy idea but what if the enemies in Shibuya/Shinjuku are called Melodies? The enemy group in TWEWY were also named after sounds
I'm guessing this is the road map for the series:
- Melody of Memories (A smallish plot that's just triangulating Sora's position in the multiverse)
- Unnamed title (The Shibuya/Shinjuku game)
- KH4 (ties in UX and DR stuff)
I hope we’re done with Mark of Mastery exam for a while. It seems like a trivial test at this point considering everything they’ve all gone through. And Yen Sid should have learned his lesson in DDD about throwing kids into dangerous situations for the sake of a test that used to be directly supervised by other Keyblade Masters and lasted all of 15 minutes. I’m not saying we should never see it come into play again; I just don’t think it should drive the plot of any more games. The personal stakes calling the characters to action are enough for me.
As for the title, since the melody is the main tune in music, it would be cool if this has a reverse/rebirth type scenario called “Harmony of Heart” or something as the harmony complements the melody.
Oh, just please don't be another mobile game or another recycled assets game (CoM and Coded).
I need console games that actually further the plot and develop the characters. Please.
Well isn't this an interesting find. The colour scheme of the logo is similar to Chain of Memories.
I wonder if the title having a reflection underneath will mean anything.
The Final World.
What if this is the Kairi and Riku game?
Whatever it is, I hope it's not mobile. But considering it was on Dark Road's website along with "Android version" and "Apple version"...I'll be pretty miffed if they replaced "handheld" with "mobile". All it'll do is spark more complaints.
But at the same time it could be a console game...I hope.
But I'll laugh if the "Melody" part doesn't mean anything related to music.
Edit: Oh, Android and Apple tags are for browser optimization purposes? Nvm then
Nomura, you mad lad. You've finally made the musical game you wanted to
OH NO
Lore Mandatory Rhythm Game...
Shudders
For my own sake I hope I'm wrong. I see that going either one of two ways. At best we have Guitar Hero 3. At worst we have Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock. Besides that I hope if it is a LMRG that the songs are fantastic. And not something to fill space like Finny fun.
[USER=248371]@Zip[/USER] to be fair the Mark of Mastery in DDD was partially a test but also served to restore sleeping worlds back to reality and it was only because it was hijacked that it became as dangerous as it did.
Huh.. Didn't see that coming. My money's on this being the Kairi game, but I don't mind if it turns out to something related to Roxas and Xion
Nomura, you mad lad. You've finally made the musical game you wanted to
It's a Disney game, all things considered...like as a Disney buff....this excites me for some reason. Like....imagine Kairi singing like the basically Disney Princess she i-TIME OUT IMAGINE VEN OR ROXAS SINGING! Shit man I legit want a musical, too.
I don’t want any of this musical or rhythm stuff to happen. Atlantica was enough.
I really hope the title is not related to any gameplay mechanics, but to the lore itself.
At this point I feel so sorry for Nomura. I know I‘d be very frustrated, sad and angry.
Anyways, I just hope it‘s a console game which isn‘t exclusive to one particular console. That‘s all.
please not another mobile game, i'm so tired of this.
if the franchise is gonna take the mobile turn over consoles i might lose interest. UX and Dark road are more than enough, i can't take another game being on mobile over consoles.
Guys it’s (probably) not a rhythm game, it’s surely is not a mobile game.
At this point I feel so sorry for Nomura. I know I‘d be very frustrated, sad and angry.
At the very least, it's just a title. We really cannot infer anything definitive out of it.
At this point I feel so sorry for Nomura. I know I‘d be very frustrated, sad and angry.
Anyways, I just hope it‘s a console game which isn‘t exclusive to one particular console. That‘s all.
Nomura must be used to this by now. SE has been leaking his game since 2017 with the public FTP file leak. But yeah, he has to be upset because it should be easy to keep secret. Why was this even accessible from a mobile game’s website?
So here are my thoughts about this game:
Melody of Memories will be about Kairi trying to reach Sora's heart by traversing through her memories. The reason she's asleep is not because of using sleep to try and reach the Final World, but because she will reexperience her memories through sleep and will somehow use Naminé's help.
Like Spock said: "Melody = hearts in tune"
Guys it’s (probably) not a rhythm game, it’s surely is not a mobile game.
I know this should reassure me but it doesn't reassure me and I'm having cold sweats thinking about it. Why does KH treat me so?
Maybe they will incorporate something related to music to the core mechanic rather that make a rhythm game, like DDD did with the drop mechanic or more extreme CoM did with the cards. Can end up being disastrous either way.
If it is not for Ps/Xbox/Pc, I much rather prefer a good mobile game than a Switch game. I think the switch is highly overpriced when you are not interested in most Nintendo exclusive franchise. They can put out a good, paid mobile game and not a gacha type like Ux/Dr.
I wonder how long it will be before we hear something official. I can’t imagine it could be too far off if this logo would have been visible once the Dark Road website launches and if industry people have already been hearing about it. Maybe by the end of June?
Oomg guys it all makes sense now!!!! [SPOILER]The reason why Aeleus and Dilan didn't speak in KH3 is 'cause they didn't want to strain their vocal chords before their SINGING DEBUT!![/SPOILER]
Maybe they will incorporate something related to music to the core mechanic rather that make a rhythm game, like DDD did with the drop mechanic or more extreme CoM did with the cards. Can end up being disastrous either way.
I think a musical mechanic that is comparable to the Reality Shifts from DDD (Symphony of Sorcery in particular) could be cool. We would still have the normal KH gameplay for battles, but the musical element could be used for level progression or to use special attacks.
Or we just have more musical cutscenes, which I’m here for.
Surprised to see Frozen 2 was actually considered for what i assume would be a lot smaller scale game.
Guys it’s (probably) not a rhythm game, it’s surely is not a mobile game.
How can you be so sure? It is on the site for another mobile game after all.
Melody of Memories will be about Kairi trying to reach Sora's heart by traversing through her memories. The reason she's asleep is not because of using sleep to try and reach the Final World, but because she will reexperience her memories through sleep and will somehow use Naminé's help.
Having a brainstorm moment here,
Kairi going through Sora's memories=old worlds
Roxas/Xion going through existing data=old worlds
Mickey/Donald/Goofy=literally going to the old worlds
In theory, they could do a multi-protagonist game with these 3 branches if the same Disney worlds are visited by all of them.
If it is not for Ps/Xbox/Pc, I much rather prefer a good mobile game than a Switch game. I think the switch is highly overpriced when you are not interested in most Nintendo exclusive franchise. They can put out a good, paid mobile game and not a gacha type like Ux/Dr.
Now there's a hot take. Frankly, I like portable KH & hate to see it only continue on as mobile titles with touch controls. Besides, Switch has plenty of 3rd party games worth playing as well & is the only game left in town for proper portable gaming.
In this case, I will be hogging Roxas for that.
INSTA KILL! ?
Guys it’s (probably) not a rhythm game, it’s surely is not a mobile game.
Oomg guys it all makes sense now!!!! [SPOILER]The reason why Aeleus and Dilan didn't speak in KH3 is 'cause they didn't want to strain their vocal chords before their SINGING DEBUT!![/SPOILER]
Would be a severe, but not wholly surprising disappointment if the Kairi game turned out to be another ****ing mobile.
Would be a severe, but not wholly surprising disappointment if the Kairi game turned out to be another ****ing mobile.
Or a rhythm game instead of proper action RPG.
Or a rhythm game instead of proper action RPG.
What if it were like Oogie's Revenge? Where the gameplay is the same but the boss fights have music numbers and stuff?
If this was the Kairi game, how would they design the gameplay? What do you think/hope?
I really hope that they stick with the KH3 gameplay in general but also experiment a lot with new mechanics. I’m not sure if I want the traditional DDD/BBB esque command menu to return.
I really liked playing as Kairi in ReMind and need to see more of that.
Would be a severe, but not wholly surprising disappointment if the Kairi game turned out to be another ****ing mobile.
I'm of the opinion that Kairi is incapable of carrying a fully-fleshed out console game by herself so her being relegated to mobile or a rhythm game isn't a bad idea.
What if it were like Oogie's Revenge? Where the gameplay is the same but the boss fights have music numbers and stuff?
Wouldn't be just bossfights. They'd incorporate it into regular battles.
Ugh, rhythm mini-games in an RPG, that's giving me Sonic Chronicles flashbacks.
If this was the Kairi game, how would they design the gameplay? What do you think/hope?
I really hope that they stick with the KH3 gameplay in general but also experiment a lot with new mechanics. I’m not sure if I want the traditional DDD/BBB esque command menu to return.
I really liked playing as Kairi in ReMind and need to see more of that.
Well assuming it's a full action game & set in dream worlds. then Dream Eaters are probably coming back. A shame because I want Kairi to have Disney party members of her own.
I'm of the opinion that Kairi is incapable of carrying a fully-fleshed out console game by herself so her being relegated to mobile or a rhythm game isn't a bad idea.
I don't think a lot of us ever believed it would be a Kairi solo game but a multi-character game like BBS or DDD.
I'm of the opinion that Kairi is incapable of carrying a fully-fleshed out console game by herself so her being relegated to mobile or a rhythm game isn't a bad idea.
My opinion is she would be, assuming a competent writer. At the very least a multi-character game, that would make it even simpler.
My opinion is she would be, assuming a competent writer. At the very least a multi-character game, that would make it even simpler.
I'm afraid I don't have as much faith in the writing team after how they've wasted her character over the past decade or so lol. But her being one of multiple scenario leads would be a fine option as well. As Kairi is right now, I think it would be a mistake to give her the opportunity to lead a 30+ hour game immediately. Work their way up like they did with Riku or Roxas and it could be executed well, but if it's just more of the same and Kairi doesn't grow as a character and continues to revolve entirely around Sora, then I'd rather other characters have gotten this chance.
If this is indeed the Kairi game that we've been speculating, then it would make complete sense that she would get a smaller scale game than a full blown title. Considering how botched her character arc was in KH3 I don't trust Kairi's character being enough to sell a major entry. So a smaller title focusing on her would be a really safe bet.
If it is a Kairi game, I hope she gets a significant character overhaul. I’m talking more personality, a new look, and maybe even a new voice actor. I thought Alyson was fine as Xion, but Kairi really needs her own voice. Sign is right that KH3 Kairi just isn’t interesting enough to carry her own game. The game itself could prove us wrong on that, but I think it would be a tough sell.
If this is truly DDD Volume 2 please don't let it be a mobile game. Go for the Switch.
Kairi deserves better
Nomura must be used to this by now. SE has been leaking his game since 2017 with the public FTP file leak. But yeah, he has to be upset because it should be easy to keep secret. Why was this even accessible from a mobile game’s website?
I imagine the Dark Road site was going to link to the Melody of Memory site.
Which would necessitate that MoM is announced before the DR site officially launches, and we do have a game coming "surprisingly soon," so it kind of lines up.
Why are you all so certain it will be a Kairi game? There is not even a glimpse of doubt in some posts.
Why are you all so certain it will be a Kairi game? There is not even a glimpse of doubt in some posts.
Nomura said in an interview when the KH3 DLC came out that the change to the title screen was a hint to the next game. & what changed about KH3's title screen? Kairi was added to it.
How can you be so sure? It is on the site for another mobile game after all.
Yet another mobile game in the already sorta bloated mobile presence KH has doesn't convince me. Why make Dark Road into something small inside KHUx with an even unique battle system, but make MoM perhaps an independent mobile game?
Because it isn't a mobile game. It's gonna be its own thing.
Having a brainstorm moment here,
Kairi going through Sora's memories=old worlds
Roxas/Xion going through existing data=old worlds
Mickey/Donald/Goofy=literally going to the old worlds
In theory, they could do a multi-protagonist game with these 3 branches if the same Disney worlds are visited by all of them.
I'm more inclined to believe they would be more willing to make a MDG game rather than RAX.
If this was the Kairi game, how would they design the gameplay? What do you think/hope?
Like whatever they had in mind with Re:MIND, to be honest. Or make her the Aqua of SRK.
Yet another mobile game in the already sorta bloated mobile presence KH has doesn't convince me. Why make Dark Road into something small inside KHUx with an even unique battle system, but make MoM perhaps an independent mobile game?
Because it isn't a mobile game. It's gonna be its own thing.
We're talking about the same company where Dissidia Opera Omnia, Record Keeper, & Brave Exvius all use the same sales pitch of "build your dream all-star FF party". There's no such thing as overkill when it comes to mobile.
I'm more inclined to believe they would be more willing to make a MDG game rather than RAX.
I actually think the animated series may cover what MDG is doing post-KH3, but I agree that a RAX game is not as likely as the other options.
Frankly if we have to revisit old worlds in every game before the next numbered entry, I think the fanbase would implode on itself.
We're talking about the same company where Dissidia Opera Omnia, Record Keeper, & Brave Exvius all use the same sales pitch of "build your dream all-star FF party". There's no such thing as overkill when it comes to mobile.
You're comparing the FINAL FANTASY franchise to KINGDOM HEARTS, tho. They're entirely different brands in the sense that FF has a plethora of universes per each individual entry. KH has to follow a more structural sense.
I actually think the animated series may cover what MDG is doing post-KH3,
That's actually a good idea. It makes sense to use Mickey to carry the series with some good pull from the Mouse.
but I agree that a RAX game is not as likely as the other options.
I'm a sucker for a 358/2 Days Part II, with the same mission structure , but you get to play as either Roxas, Xion, Axel or Isa (some mandartory utilization of X character in a mission), but I don't see Square that invested into making more KH games that aren't either a direct lead up to KHIV or mainline KH.
Frankly if we have to revisit old worlds in every game before the next numbered entry, I think the fanbase would implode on itself.
I was gonna say the exact same thing, lol. I think KHUx has a fault in that haha
I get why people are reluctant to believe that Kairi can be handled well after they've botched her for so long, and KHIII was what it was, but she honestly has more potential and interesting things about her than any other character in the series. And it always baffles me when people can't see that. I know the argument is that the writers still won't be able to capitalize on that... but for the chance of getting a glimmer of what she can offer, I'll--perhaps foolishly--get back into the ring again. And, yes... while I do think it's going to be a Riku and Kairi (and Yozora?) game, and that's fine, part of me is going to be kind of sad if she never gets her own game. Kairi deserves better. Edit: And I think a Kairi game would sell, because most casuals only play for the gameplay and Disney now (also, oddly enough, TV Tropes says girl Disney fans like Kairi), anyway. Really, only Sora games sell better now. People don't even care about Riku and Roxas like they once did. And casuals seem to like Kairi. And Kairi seems to be becoming more and more popular.
And if the next game is a Riku and Kairi game... I would like to believe that might fix some of Kairi's issues right there. Yes, I imagine that Kairi and Riku will talk about Sora a lot. In fact, it might eclipse the number of times "darkness" was said in Chain of Memories. But if we have even a little focus on their relationship, that's already better right there. Just give me how they were in KHII, and I'll be happy. I want more, of course, but I'd be satisfied with that level of Riku and Kairi friendship--as that was their best game together, imo.
I am also praying that Nomura learned something from writing Aerith and Tifa in the FFVII Remake. But especially Aerith. Because as many people have pointed out, I think she's what they were going for with Kairi.I also wouldn't be opposed to some awesome Kairi writer coming back and helping Nomura. I kind of agree with Black Drazon, that you could tell writers were fighting over Kairi in KHII. One wanted her to go on her own adventure to find the boys, and the other wanted her to wait on the Islands like a good little girl. Nomura was surely the latter. So was Nojima the former? If so, can we get him or whoever it was back?
Also, Eddawiz on YouTube made the good point that Kairi's attacks in Re:Mind sounded like the piano.
...And on the small chance that this is both a singing and Kairi game, I'd be more than fine with that. Both Hayden and Alyson can sing:) ...Though I still want Hayden back for Kairi, and I'll die on this hill. Even though I have no disrespect towards Alyson and love her as Xion. I think she also had some decent Kairi moments in III--probably better than ever before--and if it is Alyson going forward (which it probably will be), she just needs to practice at it more (and read some of Kairi's lines as sassy, please) and/or have better direction.
I don't really think we are getting another RAX game anytime soon, considering Nomura said he didn't want to "repeat the same mistakes." So I doubt Square will want THAT many bridge games before KH4. RAX is probably either going to play a part in this game or not a part at all until whatever happens with Subject X.
You're comparing the FINAL FANTASY franchise to KINGDOM HEARTS, tho. They're entirely different brands in the sense that FF has a plethora of universes per each individual entry. KH has to follow a more structural sense.
KH hasn't followed structural sense since CoM. Of course they can make more phone games, don't kid yourself into believing some presumed limit to those.
How can you be so sure? It is on the site for another mobile game after all.
Having a brainstorm moment here,
Kairi going through Sora's memories=old worlds
Roxas/Xion going through existing data=old worlds
Mickey/Donald/Goofy=literally going to the old worlds
In theory, they could do a multi-protagonist game with these 3 branches if the same Disney worlds are visited by all of them.
Now there's a hot take. Frankly, I like portable KH & hate to see it only continue on as mobile titles with touch controls. Besides, Switch has plenty of 3rd party games worth playing as well & is the only game left in town for proper portable gaming.
Yeah, I understand the Switch isn't bad at all and have good games in general, I didn't meant to say it's a bad console nor anaything. But true be told their high franchises are the Nintendo ones, like with every Nintendo instalment.
Thing is, I already suffered enough with the DS/PSP/3DS games era to get myself around to play all the games. Buying a new console every time a new KH game launch is something expensive, specially for people like me, who are not that interested in the other games the platform offers, and usually comes with its own share of limitations due to be developed for a new hardware, etc. If it is just a spin-off game, that wouldn't matter. But seeing BBS and DDD, any KH game would probably be almost as important as a numbered title.
What I meant about preferring it on mobile, it's because it is easier that the players already own a mobile/tablet to play it. If they decide to do a Switch launch and then port it to Ps/Xbox that would be great also. After all the remixes, I hope they know it is better to at least have an option of having everything in the same place.
KH hasn't followed structural sense since CoM. Of course they can make more phone games, don't kid yourself into believing some presumed limit to those.
I never said they can't, just that it wouldn't be as easy as FINAL FANTASY. Dissidia Opera Onmnia is based on the Dissidia spinoff; Record Keeper is an homage to the franchise; Brave Exvius is its own thing. KH mobile games, up until now, have been related to the KH universe itself (from KHx to KH ReMIND). There hasn't been a spinoff so detached from the mainline that it has nothing to do with it, nor has it gotten a series homage.
Can someone explain to me why people suddenly WANT a console exclusive KH game?
I haven't commented here yet. If I had to guess what this game is I am leaning towards a Kairi game? I don't know. If it is Riku and Namine seem like they'd be there too. It has memory in the title so if Namine isn't in it, then what a slap in the face that would be :( I could be totally wrong and it has nothing to do with Kairi. There's not enough info for me to get excited about or speculate.
Don't think this is a TAV game, but would find it funny if it were from the title. Don't think this is a RAX game even though Roxas and Xion are under memory scanning, but if it is a RAX game I'll scream for my dream.
Anyone else feel like the title sounds like a Demyx style attack? Just me? Sounds like something he would attack with.
Can someone explain to me why people suddenly WANT a console exclusive KH game?
There's been a lot of demand for KH on Switch for years. That isn't new. Many fans don't really care about all the problems that arose from the previous games being split up, or SE repeatedly saying that they've learned their lesson; they just want it because they want it lol
People are also still accustomed to "smaller games" referring to handheld entries, in which case the Switch would be the only option. IMO, smaller scale games on console like Uncharted: Lost Legacy or the upcoming Spider-Man: Miles Morales make much more sense than Switch exclusives, but that's not necessarily the first thing people think of.
What's also interesting is that Demyx's name is nearly an anagram of Melody. Just missing the l and o
It's not like it would Switch exclusive. It can be multi-platform.
Let’s rewind a bit to Spock mentioning Frozen 2 being considered for the project, a movie in which one of the major ideas is that water has memory... Water is Demyx’s element and he’s the Melodious Nocturne. ?
If not multiplatform, I much rather want consecutive small games like 0.2 and remind than a Switch exclusive. How lovely would it be to have one a year/twice a year releases of small episodes taking the advantages of everything they built for KH3.
Let’s rewind a bit to Spock mentioning Frozen 2 being considered for the project, a movie in which one of the major ideas is that water has memory... Water is Demyx’s element and he’s the Melodious Nocturne. ?
Are we returning to the Demyx is MoM theory here?
Are we returning to the Demyx is MoM theory here?
I don't think we ever really left. People just got distracted for a bit with theorizing that the new kids are related to every character ever lol
Talking about "Memory", am I the only one thinking about Marluxia/Lauriam, as well as the rest of the cast of UX? Ventus, Lauriam and Subject X all are confirmed to have some memory problems. Would be cool if this game finally connects the UX plot with the Shibuya plot.
Demyx being MoM(or at least strongly connected to him) is more plausible then other attempts to connect different characters. They do have similar personality traits at least
KH fans just really love overthinking everything
Demyx being MoM(or at least strongly connected to him) is more plausible then other attempts to connect different characters. They do have similar personality traits at least
And he's almost definitely got a secret identity like Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene. Out of interest, are there any other Demyx theories going? I have only heard the MoM and some unknown person from Yozora's world as suggestions. (Sorry if this too off-topic).
What's the origin of Frozen 2 being considered? Where did that rumor come from?
What's the origin of Frozen 2 being considered? Where did that rumor come from?
Disney insiders.
And he's almost definitely got a secret identity like Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene. Out of interest, are there any other Demyx theories going? I have only heard the MoM and some unknown person from Yozora's world as suggestions. (Sorry if this too off-topic).
Those are the only theories as far as I'm aware of. Between the two I'd lean slightly towards him coming from Shibuya
KH fans just really love overthinking everything
The best and worst trait of our community.
To be clear, I was joking and mainly just wanted to stir up conversation on the Frozen 2 subject to find out where the tidbit of info came from. Lol
And he's almost definitely got a secret identity like Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene. Out of interest, are there any other Demyx theories going? I have only heard the MoM and some unknown person from Yozora's world as suggestions. (Sorry if this too off-topic).
I don’t personally think he’s the MoM, but I could see there being a connection between them. I think the idea of him being MoM is funny, but wouldn’t be that great in execution. I’d rather see him come more into focus as a more prominent comic relief character than anything else.
But he is somehow connected to the ancient Keyblade legacy in some way, so we’ll have to go down that road eventually.
I would prefer to keep Frozen 2 for KH4 if possible, the Frozen world in KH3 really left a sour taste in my mouth and they need every chance they can get to fix it in a bigger title :sick:
...Nah. The reason Frozen was so bad was because it was such a big property. Disney probably thought they could advertise it in KH for Frozen 2. If you want better Frozen in KH it will have to be a part totally unconnected to the movies, like how Nightmare Before Christmas was. Personally I don't want it back as I loathe Frozen, but I feel it's problems were the fault of Disney this time.
KH fans just really love overthinking everything
I mean the series is anything BUT simple, so...we don't know what's going on anymore lol.
I would prefer to keep Frozen 2 for KH4 if possible, the Frozen world in KH3 really left a sour taste in my mouth and they need every chance they can get to fix it in a bigger title :sick:
It is being kept for KH4.
Not sure if Arendelle in KH4 will be any better than it was in KH3. If Disney is still restricting it I fear for the worst. Anna and Elsa may not even remember SDG, lol
...Nah. The reason Frozen was so bad was because it was such a big property. Disney probably thought they could advertise it in KH for Frozen 2. If you want better Frozen in KH it will have to be a part totally unconnected to the movies, like how Nightmare Before Christmas was. Personally I don't want it back as I loathe Frozen, but I feel it's problems were the fault of Disney this time.
Frozen was selected for KH3 before it even released in theaters. Nomura and the team got an advanced screening of the film and liked it so much they decided to include it in the game. That it became a worldwide phenomenon was merely coincidence.
The reason why it was poorly executed was more because of the weird restraining order Disney placed around it, which was not exclusive to KH and was even in effect in Once Upon a Time. I forget who but another member here explained the situation better and suggested this weird treatment of Frozen may have been because of John Lasseter. If that's true, things may be different now after his departure.
Once Upon a Time's Frozen storyline was really funny, because I think Disney didn't want Anna and Elsa to wear modern clothes, so Elsa just spends 11 episodes walking around in her Frozen dress despite being in a normal modern town.
If that stranglehold Disney has on Frozen still exists, instead of getting Elsa and Anna in a party with Sora, I could imagine getting that one random reindeer guy that was shown in like two scenes. And three obligatory songs of course, with a fully CGI version of Into the Unknown with Sora just randomly running around town saying "Wow!" as Elsa sings her heart out.
Huh, well that explains things a bit more. Never knew about the whole John Lasseter thing. I doubt Arendelle will be nearly as bad as it was if it's in KH4. The whole tone and potential party members being more capable and Elsa using her powers freely (Wasn't it mentioned Elsa being afraid of her powers being one of the many reasons Disney was like nah no party with her? You can't mess with the story!!!!!!!!!!!!!)lol
Talking about "Memory", am I the only one thinking about Marluxia/Lauriam, as well as the rest of the cast of UX? Ventus, Lauriam and Subject X all are confirmed to have some memory problems. Would be cool if this game finally connects the UX plot with the Shibuya plot.
And he's almost definitely got a secret identity like Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene. Out of interest, are there any other Demyx theories going? I have only heard the MoM and some unknown person from Yozora's world as suggestions. (Sorry if this too off-topic).
To be clear, I was joking and mainly just wanted to stir up conversation on the Frozen 2 subject to find out where the tidbit of info came from. Lol
I don’t personally think he’s the MoM, but I could see there being a connection between them. I think the idea of him being MoM is funny, but wouldn’t be that great in execution. I’d rather see him come more into focus as a more prominent comic relief character than anything else.
But he is somehow connected to the ancient Keyblade legacy in some way, so we’ll have to go down that road eventually.
Ah sorry for misunderstanding.
I’m not getting my hopes up this won’t simply be a mobile game—which I wouldn’t be able to play and have no interest in following the news info for. If this were a Kairi solo game, the only thing that would get me to buy such a monstrosity, and I do mean only, is if The Little Mermaid is one of the worlds. lol
Part of me feels like this is going to be a SoKai game. Something about the K of "Kingdom" and the S of "Hearts" stretching to nearly touch in the center gives me that feeling. I'm so not here for full-blown focus on that disastrous ship. That will make me jump out of this franchise real fast.
I get the Demyx/MOM theory since they have similar personalities. The characters have different voice actors though. This obviously isn't a big Kingdom Hearts deal since body swapping is a thing...but think about it. We've been told Demyx has a connection to "the ancient Keyblade war". So people keep waiting for him to show up in Union X, but we've already seen the Master in this time period, and he didn't sound like Demyx. And now because of Remind we've seen the Master with Xehanort..again not Demyx's voice. This is after Union X time too. So then how is the Demyx we know connected to the Keyblade war and also the Master..it just doesn't make sense.
Part of me feels like this is going to be a SoKai game. Something about the K of "Kingdom" and the S of "Hearts" stretching to nearly touch in the center gives me that feeling. I'm so not here for full-blown focus on that disastrous ship. That will make me jump out of this franchise real fast.
I remember when I was 12 years old and thought that the K and S would "kiss" in KH3's logo and that means Sora and Kairi would kiss
I remember when I was 12 years old and thought that the K and S would "kiss" in KH3's logo and that means Sora and Kairi would kiss
But anyway the letters don't look the same on KH3's logo, and we do know Kairi is supposed to play a big role in finding Sora. I wouldn't be surprising if it's a 3D sequel where the two playable characters are Sora and Kairi this time, which was my point.
The common consensus on the game logos is that the elongated "K" and "S" in "Kingdom Hearts" are for games that Sora is not the protagonist/main playable character in. So I wouldn't be surprised if this indeed starred Kairi or just turned out to be another concert.
Part of me feels like this is going to be a SoKai game. Something about the K of "Kingdom" and the S of "Hearts" stretching to nearly touch in the center gives me that feeling. I'm so not here for full-blown focus on that disastrous ship. That will make me jump out of this franchise real fast.
Apparently there's a pattern whenever the letters "K" and "S" are longer on the logo, Sora isn't the main character of that game.
I suppose this is intended to be a smartalek comment, right? I would get annoyed, but this seems pretty routine coming from you and I don't intend to let you bother me.
Huh? I was just sharing an anecdote from my childhood because your post reminded me of it. I wasn't trying to annoy you or be a smartalek or anything.
Edit: I found the thread I made about it https://www.khinsider.com/forums/index.php?threads/it-all-starts-with-a-k-and-an-s.110036/. BRB, cringing at how awful I was at posting when I was barely a teenager.
Dude, Melody of Memory = MoM ?
Apparently there's a pattern whenever the letters "K" and "S" are longer on the logo, Sora isn't the main character of that game.
Oh, interesting. I suppose Nomura must've done that on purpose, but I'd never even noticed it. Thank you!
I only noticed it 20 minutes ago, because someone mentioned it on twitter. :ROFLMAO:
Hmm "Melody of Memory" I'm actually curious about this title and whether this is the supposed DDD 2 we've been talking about for months. But as what [USER=63641]@Oracle Spockanort[/USER] and [USER=212126]@Ballad of Caius[/USER] brought up "Melody = hearts in tune", which means that it's going to focus on Kairi traversing through her memories to find Sora.
I wonder if the Sleeping Worlds from the Realm of Sleep in Dream Drop Distance will return or whether we experience a new world realm different than the worlds seen in the Realm of Light, Sleep, etc. in previous installments.
...Nah. The reason Frozen was so bad was because it was such a big property. Disney probably thought they could advertise it in KH for Frozen 2. If you want better Frozen in KH it will have to be a part totally unconnected to the movies, like how Nightmare Before Christmas was. Personally I don't want it back as I loathe Frozen, but I feel it's problems were the fault of Disney this time.
Frankly, I think, the world is bound to come back in Kingdom Hearts IV along with Toy Box (Toy Story), in fact they seem to be the two KH3 Disney worlds that are bound to return compared to Monstropolis, Kingdom of Corona and San Fransokyo.
I would prefer to keep Frozen 2 for KH4 if possible, the Frozen world in KH3 really left a sour taste in my mouth and they need every chance they can get to fix it in a bigger title :sick:
That's what I'm expecting, Arendelle (Frozen II) is likely going to be saved for KHIV, much like how Port Royal/The Caribbean when it debuted in Kingdom Hearts II adapting the first film, was saved again for Kingdom Hearts III to adapt the events of the third film.
Apparently there's a pattern whenever the letters "K" and "S" are longer on the logo, Sora isn't the main character of that game.
Thanks for bringing this up and taking the words right out of my mouth it seems that the ONLY games that have the letters "K" and "S" are longer on the logo are: 358/2 Days, Birth By Sleep, 0.2 BBS, χ, χ Back Cover, Unchained χ /Union χ, Dark Road, and now "Melody of Memory"
Although it's worth noting that for DDD and to a degree Coded the letters of "K" and "S" are somewhere in the middle, as while Sora is the protagonist of those games they seem to focus more on the other characters (e.g. Riku in DDD) than Sora himself.
I honestly wonder what goes through Nomura's mind when he designs a KH "spinoff" logo. "lemme make these details longer and see if anyone notices, nwhahaahha"
I feel kinda bad for Dark Road right now. We just got those new characters and already they are getting overshadowed by a game we know nothing about and is just a logo at the moment lol.
Coco would be an amazing world for this game. It’s literally about using music to spark memories.
Frozen was selected for KH3 before it even released in theaters. Nomura and the team got an advanced screening of the film and liked it so much they decided to include it in the game. That it became a worldwide phenomenon was merely coincidence.
The reason why it was poorly executed was more because of the weird restraining order Disney placed around it, which was not exclusive to KH and was even in effect in Once Upon a Time. I forget who but another member here explained the situation better and suggested this weird treatment of Frozen may have been because of John Lasseter. If that's true, things may be different now after his departure.
Even the same can be said for some of the other KH3 Disney worlds (minus Big Hero 6) besides just Arendelle [USER=89972]@Sign[/USER].
In fact, Pixar was also to a degree restrictive with Nomura on the worlds based on their movies (not in the level as Frozen's or even Kingdom of Corona's guidelines), as literally the majority of the folks at Pixar were all involved with both the Toy Story and Monster's Inc. worlds in KH3 respectively such as Tasha Sounart, Jason Katz and the characters designers from the Toy Story films and Monster's Inc.
It doesn't surprise me, cause apparently it was most noticeable in Monstropolis as Pixar was VERY Picky and restrictive on that world according to an interview from Nomura and in the Ultimania when compared to guidelines put on Toy Box, which would likely explain why Randall wasn't even fought as a boss.
San Fransokyo (Big Hero 6) I'd say was the ONLY new Disney world in KH3 that Disney didn't put guidelines in compared to Arendelle, Kingdom of Corona, Toy Box and Monstropolis as that had to do with Roy Conli having San Fransokyo's story being an original story set after the events of the movies
I don't think Disney was really restrictive in the previous KH titles prior to KH3 as they didn't put guidelines in the different Disney worlds that appeared in the different KH games such as Halloween Town (Nightmare Before Christmas), Neverland (Peter Pan), Land of Dragons (Mulan), Pride Lands (The Lion King), Agrabah (Aladdin), among others, and the creators who worked on the films weren't involved in the KH games either.
It's easily the reason why Olympus (Hercules), 100 Acre Wood (Winnie the Pooh) and The Caribbean (Pirates of the Caribbean) where the ONLY Disney worlds I didn't see ANY restrictions/guidelines put on them by Disney for Kingdom Hearts III, especially the former two. This is given as as I said, most of the people who worked on those films weren't involved in the game and Disney who had no involvement with those movies the world is based on from the previous installments (Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts II, Birth by Sleep, etc.) just allowed Nomura and his team to do what they want with these worlds based on those specific Disney films given that they appeared in previous titles, and the same can be said with the other Disney worlds in previous KH games I mentioned above.
Not sure if Arendelle in KH4 will be any better than it was in KH3. If Disney is still restricting it I fear for the worst. Anna and Elsa may not even remember SDG, lol
If they can fix Port Royal/The Caribbean's problems from KH2 and made the world a thousand times better in KH3, then I can expect the same thing for Arendelle in KHIV.
I feel kinda bad for Dark Road right now. We just got those new characters and already they are getting overshadowed by a game we know nothing about and is just a logo at the moment lol.
Eh, the whole community blew up for like three days straight over the new crew.
The real casualty is Gandalf-sensei
Nobody cares about the poor guy
Eh, the whole community blew up for like three days straight over the new crew.
The real casualty is Gandalf-sensei
Nobody cares about the poor guy
It's SE's fault for not making him a handsome pretty boy hahaha
Coco would be an amazing world for this game. It’s literally about using music to spark memories.
[USER=248371]@Zip[/USER] I agree with you wholeheartedly, Coco is most definitely a shoe-in for the next KH game, due to the themes the film (remembrance, death, etc.) had and Héctor interactions with Kairi so he can reach his daughter Coco.
It's likely that the story for the Coco world and the first for and Pixar-based world in the KH series is that it could be a prequel to the original movie where Kairi ends up in the land of the dead trying to find her way back to look for Sora and she encounters Hector who also wants to cross the bridge to reach Coco, which can also tie into Kairi's character development.
Besides the connection of Family (la Familia), Remembrance and memory which were the themes of the original movie and could connect with Kairi's character development and the KH plot, the alebrijes could be another important story plot connection for the world cause in the original film they are meant to be spirit guides to their owners and their families such as Dante and Pepita. What if there were alebrijes that became corrupted and turns itself into a Heartless or Nightmare Dream Eater and actually do the opposite? I could so imagine the world culminated with either a Heartless or Dream Eater boss based on the Mexican deity, Quetzalcoatl with Kairi riding on Pepita and battling the boss in the vein of Sora riding on Baymax and the Magic Carpet.
But hey, I'm very excited on how Pixar and Square Enix will come up with the new story for a world based on Coco. Another interesting thing to note is that apparently Jason Katz who worked on the Toy Story movies and was one of the consultants with the Toy Story world in Kingdom Hearts III also worked on Coco, plus Jason, Adrian Molina and some of the people who worked on the movie could serve as consultants giving notes to the Nomura and his team regarding on the Coco level. Coco definitely screams Kingdom Hearts level from both the environment, the story, the alebrijes and potential boss, so I'm very excited to see Square recreate it as a level.
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I also would like to see Dante again. Even if he is more attached to Miguel (as he was the one who named him) he does reside in the Land of the Dead and maybe his encounter and curiosity with Kairi could somewhat mirror his relationship he had with Miguel in the film.
I also think Inside Out would be another Pixar film that can work for this new game, given that portions of the film do focus on emotions, memories and dreams.
I'm hoping that Melody of Memory is the next concert tour for next year.
I'm hoping that Melody of Memory is the next concert tour for next year.
That isn't how the concert logos are designed, though.
Maybe this game will involve Kairi, Xion and Namine. Since its supposedly about memory, one of them is looking for Sora, another has powers over memory, and the third was originally made of memories.
I feel kinda bad for Dark Road right now. We just got those new characters and already they are getting overshadowed by a game we know nothing about and is just a logo at the moment lol.
For me at least the first game in the next saga was always going to be the more exciting then Xehanort's backstory. Especially since Xehanort is already dead and gone.
I'm ambivalent for Xehanort's backstory, but knowing Nomura he's going to do everything in his power to make something relevant from DR into the future of Kingdom Hearts. Considering he likes Xehanort far more than the protagonist of his own series.
Now i'm wondering how many worlds will be in this and how many of em will be new. I was gonna say this has to be a console title if they were considering a cgi property then i remembered they even put Ralph in union so..yeah lol
Now i'm wondering how many worlds will be in this and how many of em will be new. I was gonna say this has to be a console title if they were considering a cgi property then i remembered they even put Ralph in union so..yeah lol
Who can say, but I'm hoping that the number of Disney worlds isn't in the same level as Dream Drop Distance or Kingdom Hearts III's amount.
Maybe this game will involve Kairi, Xion and Namine. Since its supposedly about memory, one of them is looking for Sora, another has powers over memory, and the third was originally made of memories.
Maybe it will be Kairi / Demyx / Xion. Kairi leads the team of melody (Demyx) and memory (Xion) to find Sora?
That isn't how the concert logos are designed, though.
Nor do I think that, from an operational point of view, Square Enix is even considering concerts, what with social distancing measures being recommended for will over 12, 18 months.
Unless, of course, you make an argument for a digital orchestra
Maybe this game will involve Kairi, Xion and Namine. Since its supposedly about memory, one of them is looking for Sora, another has powers over memory, and the third was originally made of memories.
Well there is already a bunch of post with Kairi, Namine, and Xion as Yuna, Rikku, and Paine. It's quite popular on the net. Maybe they'll have a mission to give Larxene a back massage. That can be a rhythm game XD
If I can once more just address the Kairi not being interesting enough to lead a game, I would like to remind everyone she is still a PoH. One of a handful of people in the universe who was born with no darkness in them. Whatever else that means (and seriously, what does it mean?) she's a freak of nature, someone who has to go through life with this remarkable uniqueness about her that almost no one else can understand. And maybe she doesn't understand it herself. On top of all that, it's led her entire life to be disrupted. She's been abducted multiple times by people who just want to use her a magic object, and Sora's sacrificed himself twice now to save her. How does she adjust to living with this burden? So much potential there for feelings of guilt, insecurity, identity complexes, all that good stuff. This is KH dammit, Kairi should have her own existential crisis like everyone else.
Like I said, in the hands of competent (and interested) writers, there's a lot to mine there. Otherwise they probably will just end up relegating her to some dinky mobile game, which would be a shame to me because let's face it, there's a strong chance Kairi's only gonna get one game. After all this time that'd just be meh.
I think the story of Frozen 2 makes too much sense for it not to be utilized at some point, and I think it makes the most sense for Kairi’s journey to find Sora. Sora abusing the Power of Waking and the ramifications of that almost perfectly shadow Elsa’s journey to Ahtohallan where she “goes too far” and winds up frozen herself. I would love to see Kairi accompany the sisters - and eventually get shipped off with Anna and Olaf when Elsa decides to go on her own. I think Kairi could learn a lot, especially from Anna.
I just think there's an important distinction between our ideal Kairi and the Kairi we actually have. One is capable of great things, the other is far more limited.
You know its really telling when Kairi from the manga and from fanfictions is far more engaging than how the games portray her.
Before Re:MIND(when we all thought only Sora and Riku would star in DDD Volume 2) I might have totally given up on Kairi.
But now that we know Kairi is co starring with the boys I'm actually way more optimistic. In a way it's correcting the biggest mistake of the original Dream Drop Distance
I just think there's an important distinction between our ideal Kairi and the Kairi we actually have. One is capable of great things, the other is far more limited.
I think Kairi's problem has always been that her movements in the story have always been very restricted due to the plot that was happening around her. She was only capable of being present for three games, and in all three for one reason or another she's been quarantined from the rest of the cast.
Now that we have a fresh start in the new saga, and Sora's MIA, there's huge potential to make Kairi a more proactive character and recapture the cheeky, irreverent and adventurous girl she originally was. That side of her was put on the back burner in KHIII but I think now's a good time to bring it back.
Also if we could like recast her English actress because Stoner really ain't doin' it for me man
I think the story of Frozen 2 makes too much sense for it not to be utilized at some point, and I think it makes the most sense for Kairi’s journey to find Sora. Sora abusing the Power of Waking and the ramifications of that almost perfectly shadow Elsa’s journey to Ahtohallan where she “goes too far” and winds up frozen herself. I would love to see Kairi accompany the sisters - and eventually get shipped off with Anna and Olaf when Elsa decides to go on her own. I think Kairi could learn a lot, especially from Anna.
Frozen II, might be saved for KHIV instead Melody of Memory if you ask me, as while we can't be too sure what the Disney worlds that will appear in the next game they aren't going to be the ones in the Realm of Light, so I expect to see quite different Disney worlds.
Now i'm wondering how many worlds will be in this and how many of em will be new. I was gonna say this has to be a console title if they were considering a cgi property then i remembered they even put Ralph in union so..yeah lol
Or The Grid in DDD which was live action+CGI. I think it's more like they were saving the wow factor of Pixar worlds for KH3. Now that it's come and gone, cg fims are up for grabs.
I just think there's an important distinction between our ideal Kairi and the Kairi we actually have. One is capable of great things, the other is far more limited.
While I understand the point you’re making, and agree with it to an extent, I don’t think we really know what Kairi we actually have. I agree with Echo’s points - Kairi hasn’t had the opportunity to shine since the first game. She felt like an after thought in 2 and 3, and wasn’t even remotely integral to the plot. When you start to think about the potential of her leading, or even co-leading, her own game, it’s practically a given that she’ll have more personality.
I think this potential could also extend to Alyson’s performance. When given a whole game to flesh out the character, I like to think she’d find ways to spice up her portrayal of the character.
Frozen was selected for KH3 before it even released in theaters. Nomura and the team got an advanced screening of the film and liked it so much they decided to include it in the game. That it became a worldwide phenomenon was merely coincidence.
The reason why it was poorly executed was more because of the weird restraining order Disney placed around it, which was not exclusive to KH and was even in effect in Once Upon a Time. I forget who but another member here explained the situation better and suggested this weird treatment of Frozen may have been because of John Lasseter. If that's true, things may be different now after his departure.
Sorry it took me all day to reply to this one, I forgot I commented. I believe the weird restraining order is because of how popular it is. It isn't too farfetched as I think many know, the progress of the game was reset at least once before which led to the movements of the release date. My argument is that after SE had settled on Frozen, during the time in which they were developing, the rules about Frozen were set in stone; probably something like "Sora cannot disturb the story," and that led to the three climbs up the mountain.
Add to that the fact that climbing a mountain three times is boring/repetitive they added the out of nowhere Ice dungeon as a way to break the monotony. Then Nomura wrote the story, and maybe Disney had some other Edits that they wanted in, and we can take those musical numbers as evidence with how out of place they are in a non-musical level. A do think that the advertising potential of having Frozen in KH did come up throughout the Frozen Boom.
I just think there's an important distinction between our ideal Kairi and the Kairi we actually have. One is capable of great things, the other is far more limited.
Only by care and imagination.
I think Kairi's problem has always been that her movements in the story have always been very restricted due to the plot that was happening around her. She was only capable of being present for three games, and in all three for one reason or another she's been quarantined from the rest of the cast.
Now that we have a fresh start in the new saga, and Sora's MIA, there's huge potential to make Kairi a more proactive character and recapture the cheeky, irreverent and adventurous girl she originally was. That side of her was put on the back burner in KHIII but I think now's a good time to bring it back.
Which brings me back to my earlier point, which is there's little chance of that if she's relegated to some dinky mobile games.
| Also if we could like recast her English actress because Stoner really ain't doin' it for me man |
I mean it should be Hayden. God forbid they even ask the mainstay voice actress to appear in an upcoming major title. Seriously, did we ever get an excuse for that ridiculousness? Just really disrespectful. I've thought so from the moment she herself said they never contacted her.
My mind just suddenly drifted to those "Project Oath" leaks that reddit rando posted. Dunno why, maybe to try and connect them to this?
I'm of the opinion that Kairi is incapable of carrying a fully-fleshed out console game by herself so her being relegated to mobile or a rhythm game isn't a bad idea.
I think she can carry her own standalone title so long as her motivations and character arc is not just tied to being Sora's love interest.
I think the story of Frozen 2 makes too much sense for it not to be utilized at some point, and I think it makes the most sense for Kairi’s journey to find Sora. Sora abusing the Power of Waking and the ramifications of that almost perfectly shadow Elsa’s journey to Ahtohallan where she “goes too far” and winds up frozen herself. I would love to see Kairi accompany the sisters - and eventually get shipped off with Anna and Olaf when Elsa decides to go on her own. I think Kairi could learn a lot, especially from Anna.
I think the story would fit too. As I recall, at the end of the film Elsa says that she and Anna are a 'bridge' between two worlds so I could see it applying to getting Sora back and his connection with Kairi.
Before Re:Mind i didn't really want a kairi game because vanilla KH3 made her look like a joke.
but Re:mind show a bit more serious side of her and how badass she can get. so her carrying an entire game alone might be possible if they keep making her more confident.
My stance on Kairi has changed. I was among those that said Kairi wasn't strong enough to hold a game on her own, I have now gone back rethought that process and changed my opinion. So long as the story is good and the character has good motivations then anyone can carry a game.
My mind just suddenly drifted to those "Project Oath" leaks that reddit rando posted. Dunno why, maybe to try and connect them to this?
Project Oath
Oath
Oathkeeper
Kairi
There's trailer coming in an hour and 30 minutes. guessing it's dark road stuff.. but hopefully not.
There's trailer coming in an hour and 30 minutes. guessing it's dark road stuff.. but hopefully not.
So the hint is “lottery.” I sure hope they aren’t hyping us up just to reveal Dark Road’s gacha mechanics or something. *laughs nervously*
So the hint is “lottery.” I sure hope they aren’t hyping us up just to reveal Dark Road’s gacha mechanics or something. *laughs nervously*
Can't think of anything else it could be xP
There's trailer coming in an hour and 30 minutes. guessing it's dark road stuff.. but hopefully not.
It doesn‘t say trailer in the tweet, does it? Afaik it just mentions a video but maybe I‘m wrong
It doesn‘t say trailer in the tweet, does it? Afaik it just mentions a video but maybe I‘m wrong
They added private video in the jpnz youtube account.
it's probably the trailer for dark road, since the tweet said the "video" meant to be released on april but got pushed, when dark road was planned to be released on may.
Can't think of anything else it could be xP
A new subplot about Goofy winning the lottery. 22 minutes of wacky sitcom hijinks ensue before they realize the ticket is over a year old.
They added private video in the jpnz youtube account.
it's probably the trailer for dark road, since the tweet said the "video" meant to be released on april but got pushed, when dark road was planned to be released on may.
I agree. The website did have a spot for a trailer after all. Maybe we’ll at least get a release date though.
It's a video, nothing for us. It'll just be prizes for Ichiban Kuji. I wouldn't get worked up about it.
Looks to me like he's even implying that it's nothing to do with the stuff we are talking about right now lol
EDIT: NOMURA YOU LIAR
AAAAAA
OST NEW GAME AAAA
...I am at a loss for words. I skipped through to the end just to see if it was something I should watch, exclaimed what and now I'm going to actually watch it. Oh my Goodness.
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