I never expect James woods to break the nda first

i just saw this and wish he would confirm himself getting fucked. god i hate jame wood

I might have squealed a bit. It is happening for real ^-^

Kingdom of Hearts? Is that really what he thinks the series is called XD?

Like his opinions on the wellbeing of good people, he just doesn't care.

It's nice to know Hades will retain his original voice but he is a gross human being so it's a horrible thing to be celebrating. But take away from this: it is good knowing now that voice work is underway.

Not even mad he referred to it as "Kingdom of Hearts", just glad this stage of production is well underway. Sorry you weren't first to break the silence, Jesse.

We did it kids



we will have this game, it is real

There's no chance of hearing from a voice actor from an unrevealed world right? Just wanted to make sure.

Celebrating the voice acting being in the works isn't celebrating him as a person. And I don't think there's a point to speak about his politics every time he is mentioned somewhere. First and foremost, he's a voice actor and his function as such is the only thing that is important to KH3.

Oh man cannot wait who cares what his views are he’s a great actor/voice actor!

It's still a shit feeling knowing that he is getting a pay check for this while he spouts racist, homophobic, and transphobic viewpoints. I'm happy that Hades original VA is returning, but I'm not happy that this nutjob is getting money while he dehumanises and insults so many.

It used to be cute when James Woods talked about how he would always be there to voice Hades and showed his commitment to the character. Then somebody let him discover Twitter.

There's definitely a point. Woods makes his politics public. He doesn't get to hide behind the veil of professionalism. If he wants to dish it out, he deserves to be called to task. Let it stick.

As I am sure everyone is aware as of now. It doesn't change anything though, he's in the cast and that's it. As long as it doesn't affect his work for this series, I just think this has been talked about enough.

You can do all of this, but I don't think a KH3 board is the place to do that, that's all I'm trying to say.

I mean, I think the fandom should definitely care more about the people who make the games, and that includes the good and the bad. And better to vocally condemn heinous actions and beliefs from those people, than be silent and allow them to go unchecked. What kind of values would we have as a community if we didn't?

No, there's just as good a chance as any other character. None of them are supposed to be talking about it at all.


Staff thinks it's okay to mention it.

My September prediction seems increasingly likely.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - Desmond Tutu

Woods is a horrible, horrible person. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop criticising him considering he makes his own personal feelings public.

Square Enix already has Dragon Quest XI and Shadow of the Tomb Raider coming out in September. It is highly unlikely they will throw a third game in there. A niche Japanese series just getting an English release and a Western flagpole game are thankfully different enough but Kingdom Hearts us a flagpole game for Square Enix and will release in both Japanese and English. It needs to be away from other SE games.

You're totally free to follow your own conscience on that front, but there's no reason to expect people in this fandom who are negatively impacted by the kinds of statements he makes openly to stand by dispassionately when his name gets brought up in conjunction with the series. We can't do anything about his inclusion in the series except to express our distaste for it. So we'll do that.

[video=youtube;FPmHGf9xrds]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPmHGf9xrds[/video]

Preach!

Y'all already said how I feel...I am low-key glad his voice will be the same as the movies/always. But I don't like him getting a paycheck from something I am purchasing...

But he does always come back, so this was to be expected. It is nice to know English voice-acting is happening for reals. I hope Zachary Levi got his call by now :P

Mixed feelings. Good for voice recording being underway, but I hope attaching Mr. Woods to this title doesn't affect anything. I've seen a fair amount of boycotts for reasons like this. Was it that Jontron guy in an indie game?

Anyways he's an excellent Hades no doubt, but a person with what seems a bad character. I usually try to disassociate a person's work from their personal views, as we are always bound to disagree with someone.

Hell fucking yes! This is the news I’ve been waiting to hear! Hades is back!

I'm not sure if James Woods' controversy is nearly as widespread as Jontron's lol, I feel like not many people even know about Wood's true personality. I guess, maybe because he doesn't make them clear in his work like Jontron did. Just publicly on Twitter... So I wouldn't worry much about a potential boycott... but it could happen?

I’ve seen someone say this gives them a reason now to not purchase KH3. Whether they follow through with that or not, I don’t know.

Woods has a relatively small part in KH3, but that doesn’t negate the issue. I’m certainly going to feel uncomfortable playing through Olympus.

Were James Wood's controversial beliefs made public recently or have they always been known? . I'm asking because I don't remember people being this uncomfortable when Olympus was confirmed back in 2015.

So James Woods confirming that the voice work for KH3 has started tells us two things:

English dubbed E3 trailer. Duh, right? Well... Maybe it was just me, but I was kinda concern on whether we will have an english trailer at e3 or not. I'm still a bit worried about it since the trailer will probably feature Frozen which is likely to be a mid game world, but they could just call Kristen Bell and the gang to just do couple lines just for the trailer. They have like 3 months after all... Anyway, I digress! I believe Square is really aware that to draw casual audiences you must give them that nostalgic & familiar feel that the original Disney English voice work provides, but most importantly...

As far as I'm concern, dubbing is the last part of game development and it starting in the end of Q1 just gives more reassurance on a 2018 release.

This exquisite dish is almost ready to be serve.:biggrin:

i hope he drops dead, but not before III’s dev is finished because then the game might be dedicated to him and i would rather kick my own ribs

i guess what i’m saying is, i want to kick james stupid woods in his stupid ribs

I can not confirm ( ;) ) or deny that voice recording has been going on for a while now.

Would be neat to hear the Frozen actors.

Okay you can disagree with whatever he says, but why would you wish someone dead because of that? I disagree with so many celebrities on their viewpoints, but not enough to wish them dead.

Good to hear the English voice recording is in progress. I wonder if Master Xehanort's new VA has already been cast?

I suppose it depends on how many lines he has in the script. Since his Japanese VA passed away closely to Leonard Nimoy, they might have adjusted the script accordingly, giving more lines to the other norts. With less lines to speak, they might get away with a longer time to choose a final VA. If he has lots of lines however, I'd assume he's already been cast.

His actions has stirred up discussions in other threads, such as the VA thread.


The replacement will have been hired by now, yes.

So what were are looking at:

James Woods is in as Hades. It is a good chance that all of the other Hercules VA, minus Danny DeVito, will be back.

Donna Murphy said in 2015 she was ready to voice Mother Gothel for KH3 (this is not confirmation that she went in to record then, but she was ready to step back into the role should they ask). Even though it's been 3 years since then, I imagine she's still game for it. She returned briefly for the television show.

Zachary Levi hasn't given any updates since early Feb when he said he hadn't been asked :). Mandy Moore is silent, as are the Big Hero 6 people and the Pixar VA's but who knows if they got the actual people or stand ins.

We know that Ben Diskin will reprise his role, as will Haley Joel Osment, David Gallagher, Willa Holland, Jesse McCartney, Jason Dohring, James Patrick Stuart, Paul St. Peter, Quinton Flynn and Richard Epcar.

Who knows if it will be Alyson Stoner or Hayden Panettiere voicing Kairi / Xion, or if they get Brittany Snow back for Namine or keep Meaghan Martin in that role (I believe the latter will be more likely). I also think Hayden should get Kairi and Alyson should get Xion.

Square Enix and Disney should release a cast list. Last time they did this was in 2010 for Birth by Sleep, and it was only because they had high profile talent working on the games. Kingdom Hearts 3 deserves the same treatment. It would be horrible to just play a guessing game until the game comes out, or they repeat what happened with Final Fantasy XV and have the main VA announced months before the English cast (and we only learnt of the main characters because they were credited in a movie).

I had a feeling that this sorta of news would start by the end of March.
Voice recordings could be in the process until latest, July this year.

Glad to see that the forum is at the same consensus regarding James Wood's inclusion. I'm on the same boat, I respect the authenticity of retaining Hades voice, but I too am against James Woods as a person being attached to Kingdom Hearts because he's an awful human being.

At the end of the day, Hades the character is owned by Disney and Disney Animation. He's not James Wood's intellectual property so take solace in that.

Think of it this way, you're going to be swinging your Keyblade at James Woods. Can't get any more therapeutic than that.

Why wouldn't Danny DeVito be back?

He has never voiced Phil in the Kingdom Hearts series. In every appearance it has been Robert Costanzo. Costanzo is often the voice stand-in for DeVito, just like Jim Hanks is the voice stand-in for his brother, Tom.

I'm just throwing this out there, but I kinda wanted the first person to break NDA to be Jesse McCartney for the third time in a row.

Hayden probably will return since Nashville done filming as for stoner I could her retun as xion and as Kairi if for some reason can’t do it

you what be funny if zachery levi went to do the va in his shazam outfit

Aw... I love Hades so much. It breaks my heart to see that the man who brings his voice to life is trash.

This is the good old separating art from artist case. Some can, others can't.

I can separate them just fine. The emotions I feel every time I hear Hades in the movie or the games aren't responsible for Woods' personal ideas, and negating them would just be detrimental to myself.
Do whatever you feel is right, but always try not to impose your own decision on the other side.

i just think about the person itselt i just think about the characther they voiicing if that person is bad

Maybe some time in Family Guy he could show up in a Hades costume and harass Peter some more, maybe for a Halloween episode

I think James Woods is one of the most disgusting human beings on the planet. I also think he is the only voice for Hades.

I wish it wasn’t this way. Having my money support a performance of his makes me feel like slime, but there are so many things in this world we give our money and time to that have awful people behind them. I’m hoping whatever role Hades has in KH3 is minimal at best just so I can take comfort in knowing James Woods couldn’t have gotten paid too much from his work on “Kingdom of Hearts” 3.

agreed i hope that this is end of the hercules in kingdom hearts and do something else for next saga so we dont have to hear james woods maybe if disney get the rights to percy jackson and ebbot the franchese they could have it raplace harcules

Wasn't aware there were so many sjw's on this site damn.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - Desmond Tutu Woods is a horrible, horrible person. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stop criticising him considering he makes his own personal feelings public.

As a general rule, I tend to stay out of situations I don't know or care enough about to make a positive impact. I consider myself a man of many skills, but solving political conflicts is not among them.

Also, I share the same opinion as other people. If you're opposed to James Woods as a person, that's fine. If you're not comfortable buying the game because of that, that's fine. If you think you can do something to fix the issue, then by all means, do what you must; I accept and encourage it. However, I must request that you do so elsewhere. All we were trying to do is have an innocent discussion about KH3; please don't ruin that.

Let f*tang be an example. We will not tolerate any clear derogatory speech on this site towards anybody. I don’t care about your political leanings. We have a diverse group of users here from all walks of life, but constructive discussion is what I want out of any discussion here.

Also I see that getting political here is always going to be a source of contention so let’s make it clear now: Whatever you feel about James Woods is fine. Criticizing his views as a human being is fine. Praising him as an actor is fine. You agree with him? Fine. Be prepared to face the consequences of vocalizing those views if they are displayed in a hateful, dismissive manner.

Don’t care about him at all? Cool.

Shutting down discussion is not fine. If you don’t want to read people discuss this (it is clearly something that will be brought up regardless), either post your feelings about the actual subject of the discussion, which is that KH3’s VO work is currently happening, or make a new discussion if you are unhappy about the direction this topic is going.

Hmm....wasn't "Kingdom of Hearts" one of the early working titles for the series?

(searches)

Yep!

https://www.khinsider.com/news/Hidden-Treasure-The-Kingdom-Hearts-Design-Document-5697

I like it when VAs return, I know replacement voices aren't bad in themselves but they can be tough to get used to.

Speaking of replacement VAs, I'm more interested in MXs new voice. I hope they let him hear Nimoy's performance, and then let the actor do his own thing. The lack of those two things is what caused the early problems with Epcar imo.

I hope Hades meets his end in KH3.
I don't care if he's lord of the dead. I just want to feel good, knowing he perish from the story. And also fight him in a boss battle.

I don't think he will permanently die in KH3. If they want to still keep using Olympus after KH3 they will likely keep Hades around.

well if they want to keep the anicent greece style worlds in kh3 then if disney can get the right to fox ip then it good chance then they can get percy jackson ip and reboot the series and use it for kingdom hearts future saga

I'd rather not think about Kingdom Hearts IV to be honest. A lot of the blockbuster Disney IP's seem to be used for this game, and it'd give me a headache thinking about the future of the series (not because I'm doubtful of the series success, but rather, I don't want to look that far ahead right now).

Can they please not lol. Like...its less about Woods and more like, this seems to be the ultimate representation of a movie they have forced in 8 freaking times now, and they need to just let it go after this please lol. I'd rather bring back Halloween Town or Agrabah or Atlantica, doubly so if they get remade in these new graphics, as opposed to ever seeing Olympus after this...

And I love Hercules lol, but this world is the ultimate example of "let it die" in this series. Dunno why everyone always says that about Agrabah instead...I guess cuz its a desert??

Eh, I don't think this was a good or fair decision. There was nothing hateful about what he said, though could be considered rude even though who even cares. A ton of people have said extremely rude and hateful things toward Woods including wishing he'd die and there were no repercussions. No "constructive discussion" there. This is all twisted.

Though I'm not calling for anyone to be banned, this is all silly. It's just plain to see how skewed towards one view this is which goes against the claims of diversity. Seems like it's all dishonest claims.

I low-key see what your saying till you claim the view is skewed to those who "go against diversity", cuz that is an objectively rude and bad thing to do. Like there is no "other side" either you are nice and don't judge people based on how they were born, or you do lol. Its rather simple. Supporting bigots is not "diversity."

The whole wishing death thing was a lot though, that I can agree with. But I once again don't agree that what f'tang said not being hateful...like he was using a rude term to insult people who are mad at a shitty person being involved in something they enjoy. He was clearly trying to start shit, and implying people who are upset about this are being "dramatic" or whatever.

??

I thought the post meant "banning ftang and not chuman goes against the claim that this thread is welcome to diverse views so long as they're posted constructively". Both of those posts are non-constructive and only one got penalized.

Besides James Woods political beliefs, I'm just happy that Hades true voice is returning.

They're like two different people if you think about it. I never knew who James Woods was when I watched Hercules or played Kingdom Hearts when I was little, I just saw Hades. I'll just see Hades as Hades.

I wonder if Sora will face Hades together with Hercules or if Sora will take out the Titans while Hercules fights Hades.

Because Olympus can still work as a simple coliseum world for tournaments.
I'd honestly prefer that over nameless arenas like the Mirage one: having a Disney world as the place to compete in for tournamets only seems fitting for Kingdom Hearts, and Hercules' theme and environment does play the part quite well in my opinion.

Even if they run out of ideas for a legit plot, just make it what essentially was in KH1: an optional world with a couple of introductive cutscenes where you could battle every Heartless and a lot of bosses. Even just having Hercules say "Welcome! Here you can fight to your heart's content!" would be enough.
Granted it wouldn't be the greatest thing ever and by all means, if they have other plot ideas for Olympus good for them, but I definitely rather have this nice little recurring Pooh's Book-ish cameo instead of just letting one of my favourite worlds die. And as I said, that was basically its role in Kh1 anyway, and that worked out fine.


Oh, regarding Hades die... heck no. Aside from the fact that I find killing off a character to limit the VA involvement is really crossing the line and letting disgust getting the best of us and in the way of the product, Hades was my childhood, I love him. Same with wishing his time on-screen will be at a minimum, I'm sorry for whoever will be displeased, but... no. Just like in the movie Hades OWNS the show.

Ah maybe lol, I mean, I guess using the word "diversity" in this sort of conversation without clarifying I just assumed they meant bigotry and such. So if thats the case my bad, and that part is at least null in void.



Putting it that way, then yea I would also like that, if they really stuck with it...I feel like they keep not making it an optional side world tho, so I dunno if they would actually do that. But I definitely agree with the sentiment that a Disney flavored anything is just better than some generic place they make up to fill a role ha.

I Agree! Olympus should just take a little break from KH for a while.

Dunno why everyone always says that about Agrabah instead...I guess cuz its a desert??

I can't speak for everyone who doesn't want Agrabah anymore, but I personally have gotten sick of Agrabah from how much it's used in KHUx....Also, desert can get boring after a while, but if they decide to use it more I don't really care. Same goes for Olympus. I prefer that they come up with a new world to use instead, but if not, oh well.




To add on, having only one get penalized and not the other can make guests or even newcomers(like myself) who may share similar beliefs to Woods or ftang feel unwelcome or afraid to speak their views. Now I agree that Woods could lay off the twitter and a lil bit, but...I dunno it's hard to explain and I don't wanna sound harsh or whatever but something just doesn't feel right about what's been going on in this thread.

I think part of it is that Hercules generally brings with it an added gameplay element (the coliseum) in a way that Agrabah doesn't?

edit: ninja'd lol

f'tangs comments were directed at/about fellow community members, while comments about Woods are about a public figure.

Ah yeah, I mean I do love the actual Coliseum, when they use it lol. I guess they haven't in so long, the two ideas are starting to dissociate.

And yeah, I didn't want to speak for the staff myself, but that or maybe the fact that he was actively inciting an argument are why I thought maybe he was still banned and Chuman was not. I guess thats why I just went on a little tangent about my feelings instead lol.

I mean, I guess I should concede to your point that such a solution is not that likely and they're probably just going to milk that greek cow, in which case I agree with your sentiment of putting an end to it.
It's just that if they're going to put down Olympus and then introduce a NEW coliseum world I feel like it would have even more of that more of the same feel.
I know Mirage Arena should've been canon and with its own story originally, that could be cool too.


I also would like to say my small two cents about the f'tang thing: this wasn't the first time I've seen such comments from them, to the point that when I saw the ban I thought "oh, it finally happened huh".
Doing a similar task myself I'm sure the KHI staff had a somewhat of a bigger picture and didn't just ban them on a whim or personal vendetta.

I don't recall having Hades defeated being too much influenced by Wood's involvement with Hades. I see it more as "it's time to move on and face either a new threat or just move on as a whole. With a new concept of a world." I feel the same about all the other Disney villains that have already been in KH. Besides, giving an actual closure to a world and it's characters could justify the world's existience. Instead of milking it for the future. I also find it more interesting if there is a closure for the older worlds and their characters. Especially since KH3 marks the end of the Dark Seeker Saga. Once a new saga begins, it would be nice to have change.

I can see many other ways to incorporate a new world with a similar (tournament design) How about giving that chance to a FF themed world for once?

I don't watch or follow what Woods does, but from the little I've seen, I don't think it's automatically fact and set in stone that he's such a bad person. All I see is differing right wing opinions, which aren't out of the ordinary for anyone who's not mostly left inclined.

I have no hate for anyone, but it does feel like I'll be banned if I'm not "sugary" with my disagreement of this bias. But I guess I shouldn't complain, if someone with left-wing opinions went to a right-wing oriented community, I doubt they'd feel welcome there either.

I mean, this game seems to already be going with almost all new worlds lol, so its not like they are saving that for the next saga. In that case I don't expect many old worlds to get closure except like Olympus, 100 Acre Wood, and maybe one other lol. Thought I'm not even sure they will close the former 2...

So on that note, I actually do want the doors open to some old worlds in the next game again. I especially want ones introduced in KH2, BBS, and DDD. But, I wouldn't mind some KH1 worlds coming back again if they actually make them unique. I like a mixture myself, but yeah, I don't want them milking them too much...now that the series has jumped in visual style and quality, that is sort of an excuse to bring back some old stuff again, at least to me.



He said a family who let their son dress in female clothes would be lucky if he didn't grow up to become a serial killer and murder them...

Implying like weirdly that: They must be forcing this on him, that trans people are mentally ill, and that they are also killers? I really don't care what else he has said and done, thats repulsive and messed up and cements him as a clear cut bigot. At least toward trans people. But thats still a bigot lol.

I thought Chaser had posted a link to them all but I think maybe it was just the one, that was admittedly, not as bad as some of his other tweets. And tbh, I really don't follow him closely either, but I don't really want to lol.

I guess I get that fear a bit?? But I truly don't think thats the case...I feel like f'tang went far beyond non-sugary.

Edit: Oh wait its worse than I thought lol, he doesn't say they would be lucky, he said the child will definitely murder them now:

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James Woods is accused by various people of harassment. This goes beyond left and right wing ideology.

https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/7cvcye/no_spoilers_actor_james_woods_sexually_harassed/?st=JFDZXR57&sh=86f9aa3e

Who is James Woods? Right-Wing Actor Slammed by Armie Hammer and Amber Tamblyn Has a History of Controversy

I really did not want to bring this up, but I had to be objective when it comes to negatively talking about a person. I take no joy in outright elaborating on how awful a person is, but people need to understand that James Woods is an awful person. It's just coincidental that he's a conservative. Nobody is attacking his right-wing ideology, they're expressing their frustrations at his apathy.

I guess at this point it's just personal preference.
I think part of why I'm not that keen on this "out with the old, in with the new" business is because I grew up with the Disney comics, and repetition was a huge part of it: Mickey and Pete had this Lupin-Zenigata relationship, and some stories even capitalized about how they were these lifelong rivals, constantly fighting the same battle.
So I guess in my mind I just link Disney with repetition, and thus I'm not against fighting the same famous baddies over and over. To me it's part of the course.

That's the thing tho, at least for me getting rid of Olympus just to introduce a new tournament world would just be style over substance, it would scream to me "hey we are like the old thing but not quite the old thing" every second.



I will not try to persuade you of anything, this is hardly the place, but I think you indeed saw just little because James Woods is way past different opinions from the left party. He showed he thinks he's either too old/rich/talented/famous to care if what he says hurts people that never did anything to him except apparently existing not how he wants them to.
He IS what we would call a bad person.
I think anyone should feel bad reading some of the gruesome things he said to other human beings, not just the extreme left.

Regarding being banned for being not sugary enough, I am not around enough to say anything about the ban system on these forums, but the staff still keeps me around, so I'd say they are open-minded enough.

Okay, this clears things up more for me. First I'd like to say thank you for influencing me to look into him more, I probably wouldn't have on my own.

I looked up the tweet and that is not the message I interpreted at all. I don't think statements like that should automatically label someone as a bigot and a terrible person. Reading the discussion it brought under the tweet was actually interesting and I see many others interpreted the statement in a similar way as I did. This wasn't a jab at trans but at the parents and taking the murder comment literally seems like a big jump. Looking into his responses, it turns out his statements support my initial interpretation which you can find here if you're curious:

(You don't need to read the article, it's just handy that his responses are compiled there)
James Woods Doubles Down on Tweet About 'Gender Creative' Kid | PEOPLE.com

I don't want to be defending him left and right, but it's clear this is the usual opposition of political beliefs. I'm glad I gave him the benefit of the doubt because this seems like the common namecalling card was pulled (calling the other side racist/[insert]phobic/sexist/bigot/etc). Which don't get me wrong, is used by all sides.

TLDR: I don't agree with Woods being a terrible person and some people here weren't treated fairly. (Whatever worth my opinion has :P )

Long and short of my decision, Woods is a public figure who is never going to see somebody’s death wish against him when that was not even serious. People send him a million things a day and a comment like chuman’s is a drop in a flood and hurt nobody here.

f*tang was speaking to users of this forum who can see and feel an immediate response from negative comments against them. I stand to defend the users, not a celebrity who will never see anybody’s comments.

My point is, don’t die on a hill for Woods.

Take what you will, ultimately you're the moderators and staff so you make the decisions. But to me it seems like f'tang was hurt because of all of the hate towards a person's political stance which he clearly shared and he lashed out. Having a bias is completely normal, but banning someone for a slight passive aggressive remark which doesn't even mean much as it's thrown around all the time. But like I said, I'm not the staff here, I'm just complaining for other people's sake since I'm not too active here anyway.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it, you can if you want, but I think it’s pretty ridiculous to boycott a game just because an actor you strongly dislike is in it. I disagree with so many actors on their beliefs (guess that kinda gives away what political side I’m on) but I still love them because they’re great actors. I could give two shits about what they believe in no matter how they express them.

he's literally accused of predating on minors, sexual misconduct, and people calling him terrible is about more than just one tweet but a pattern of behaviour.

Woods has insulted the LGBTQ+ community on numerous occasions and he even played the "I can't be homophobic, I have gay friends" card. There should be no defence for that kind of behaviour.

He also allegedly sexually harassed Willa Holland (who plays Aqua) on the set of a film. Not sure how legit this is, all I can find is this reddit thread.

US politics is just mindblowing to an outsider because this is a man who is dehumanising and vilifying a bunch of people but has defenders jump in and say it's just a political view. I don't know if I'm missing key parts of the US political mindset, but Woods looks to me to just be a ham, politics aside.

I also think it's inflammatory to come into a thread where people express their concerns about this man being brought back into the series and call them a "SJW", which is used by a group of people to be derogatory term. I don't agree with Chuman getting off scot free, I was asleep when this went down, but Oracle Spockanort is right that Chuman is targeting a man who said "and of course the final word on all of this is that I frankly don't give a shit what anybody thinks about me" while F'tang was targeting forum members with legitimate concerns.

Maybe part of our disconnect is that you seem to think bigot is like some end all be all statement, and I think its just calling people out for doing stuff...that is bigoted. I realize people have nuance, but that doesn't make me turn a blind eye to crappy stuff they do anymore.

And I feel like...we are too different to be having this discussion lol. That article just made me dislike him more. It clearly stated how he hurt that family who is just trying to be supportive of their child and he spouts some crap about "other children being cruel so they shouldn't let him be himself" or whatever. And he just said he doesn't care. Like I dunno what to say, I don't care if he says he supports all people, since his actions clearly show he doesn't? He thinks being supportive of a child's decision is the same as the parents making him into a "social justice propaganda doll". That's not what a supportive person says.

Like I guess its nice to know he isn't just like "ew trans people" but he still was cruel.

The LGBT community does get pretentious. I’m not being homophobic, I’m just stating the facts.

I guess maybe this was better to bring up, I was sort of bringing up the one that I had read a bit about, but this is way worse.



What the hell does that even mean, and why is it relevant? All people can be pretentious?

Overall very well said.
About politics, it's the same here in Italy, sometimes is hard to keep your calm when people will defend everything, even the most blatant crimes, as "expressing opinions and advocating freedom of speech".
Then again, we do take a lot from the US in this field.

Going back on topic, I am not an expert on these things, any chance they'll re-release the KH III trailer with English voices when ready? Has this ever happened before, is it... I dunno, good marketing-wise?

f*tang was not lashing out. He’s been a constant shitposter on the forums that was only left alone because he has always been a one-post-and-done fly-by poster. You say he was “hurt” by people’s views of Woods’ political views, but people have really only discussed Woods’ inflammatory comments against groups of people and the accusations against the man, and not really his right-wing ideologies. Nobody attacked f*tang, but he felt the need to drop a fly-by post calling people a derogatory term.

Passive aggressive gets no passes. Intent is everything and f*tang’s intent was to upset people by calling them “SJW”, which is most definitely used as a pejorative term to the point of derision against people. It is derogatory.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/social_justice_warrior

Sure, but when there are gay concentration camps and people being murdered just for being LGBTIQ+, then I think one community can be a bit pretentious and celebrate their lifestyle.

I live in a progressive country, however marriage equality has now only been a thing for almost three months. I still fear holding a mans hand when walking down the street while I see straight couples walking around with their hands down each others pants... literally.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with this, but I think the "pretentious"ness that you see is from a community trying to celebrate their lifestyle in a world that overall condemns it and tries to murder these people for it.

they'd more likely just release a new trailer that may have that scene in English in it, instead of re-releasing a trailer?

(okay can we focus on topic about va being bought back)

i hope disney or sqaure were able or can schrrule zachery levil to record voices for kingdom hearts 3 the same goes for ryan porter and big hero 6 since he fliming for the live action teen titans proablly right now

What I’m trying to say and what James Woods is trying to say is there are people in the LGBT community who can be pretty obnoxious with their beliefs, thinking that people like us dislike gay people and I’m just like “I don’t care if you’re gay, be gay all you want, I have my own life I want to worry about.”

It's quite scary. My heart fell to the ground when I first heard Chechnya was having concentration camps to punish LGBT+ folks.

yes, obnoxious beliefs like "please stop killing us" and "please stop socially marginalizing us"

Yeah I would expect a compilation trailer with scenes from Monsters Inc and Toy Story with English voices included instead just remaking the past trailers.



Who is "us"? Straight people? Also, Mr Woods clearly does NOT feel that way otherwise he wouldn't have just randomly insulted a family with no provocation? Unless you just mean his affirmation he doesn't care if people rightly call him out for being rude lol, which again he brought on himself.

All people can be obnoxious, I feel like most LGBT people know there are horrid LGBT people. Thats just a part of life, all people of all nationalities, orientations, or genders can be shitty. That doesn't make any of what we have been discussing okay at all though?

You can believe that, it’s about HOW you express them.

Anyways can we get back to Good old RPG discussions here?

maybe tehre will be surspise at ux event becuase really they only place i see it right now until the first concert or e3

I just want to say that being gay is not easy. Meeting new people is always tough because you don't know if they are going to be cool with the gay thing or if they are a person who is homophobic and might beat the living shit out of you. Yes, those are the two end poles that most LGBTIQ+ people expect when interacting with new people. It is hard to find middle ground there because people are still very much homophobic.

The 'coming out' thing is always viewed as a one time event, and the first time is always the biggest and most monumental in a gay person's life, but each time you meet a new person, in work or shopping or whatever, you have to relive the coming out thing all over again and there is always the fear and the threat the one person will react violently. What Woods' said fuels that.

LGBTIQ+ people may come across as obnoxious but that is because we are sick of living in the shadows, having to hide away to protect other peoples feelings. We just want to be out and proud and expressing ourselves. AIDs was a big pandemic that really hit the gay community and there are still people out there afraid of talking with a gay person out of fear of getting the disease (even though talking doesn't spread it).

I get what you mean, but we in this community are faced with blunt hate each day. I actually felt like absolute shit last year when my government decided to open up the conversation to whether I could marry another man or not to the entirety of Australia. Then, these people could vote on whether or not they deem me and my community worthy enough to be able to marry someone of the same sex. There are still people trying to overturn that, and one of those guys even wanted to repel the Racial Discrimination act so he can insult people without fear of a blowback.

Even more obnoxious “please give us more representation in media so it can become more socially acceptable so people stop wanting to marginalize and/or kill us”

But man that obnoxious LGBT lifestyle...

Just gonna repost this since I edited it after you posted again...I already addressed this point.

We just got our first gay rom com made by a major studio and there are people who wonder why this is a big thing. I'm so use to seeing gay films either end in death from a disease, or it being a film with a serial killer killing gays and the killer is a gay person, or a film that is just borderline pornographic.

Edit: OH MY GOD I ALSO CRIED AT THE NEW QUEER EYE SHOW BECAUSE IT SHOWED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE COMING TOGETHER, LIFTING EACH OTHER UP, AND BEING SUPPORTIVE.

Watch the new Queer Eye if you haven't, it's just a beautiful celebration of people and life.

yeah, i hate when people ask to not be killed imperfectly.

i'm being glib, but honestly, the idea that "gay people shouldn't be killed or ostracized for being gay" is considered just a "belief" and up for debate is pretty horrendous.


man, and also, like, seeing people treat love, simon as an end? like "well they got their one movie, isn't that enough?" like it shouldn't be an end, it should be a beginning. there's so many more stories to be told that queer people deserve to see.

Yeah that pretty much describes how I feel succinctly.

And ew, I hadn't seen people doing that, its moronic. I do want more not straight love stories, and also stories that aren't actually defined by that but its still a big part of it as well. I'm a little sick of only getting "gay" things instead of like, a big epic fantasy tale where the main character/s happen to be not straight. Thats the sorta content I really want. Thats why the very few things that sort of do that currently, I love.

( I really loved Love, Simon as well, though lol)



Clearly I don't know ha, but in my mind I am expecting the next trailer to focus on a new world altogether, and maybe it would be a trailer closer to release that goes back and shows the English voice acting?

Man this forum is either almost completely dead or alive at the brim with just pages of virtue signalling because a very minor voice actor said controversial things over Twitter.

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve it be mentioned at all, but the fact that its still going on for over 7 pages, overshadowing actual discussion about the KH series because all the subjects relating to it have been done to death and burned out, is just really sad to me.

Any representation at all is considered obnoxious. It's like, nevermind that LGBT people flipping exist in the real world, so existing in media is only natural. So sick of gay and lesbian representation being considered too sexual and inappropriate in children's media, despite the overabundance of heterosexuality in the same media, and the fact that you better believe it gets clearly sexually suggestive at times.

These are not respectable positions. They are incredibly harmful.

But that's a tangent, I know. I'll just say, I'm sick of being told to respect people like James Woods and their positions as if they have a valid side at the table.Their "positions" are invalid and do not deserve respect.

I might be late to the party, but I'd much rather see Hades be voiced by my fucking grandma than imagine this piece of garbage get even half a penny for working on it. I get the feeling of nostalgia, but damn, my fangirl-boner for original voices is not as strong as my wish to have decent human beings work on a series I love.

condemn his views, love his performance. I've always maintained that James is one of the greatest if not the greatest voice actor in Kingdom Hearts. He brings fun and authenticity to every scene he's in. James Patrick Stuart is also nearly on that level as Xigbar.

james patrick stuart was made for the role as xigbar/braig they couldnt a perfect for that role just like quinton flyyn was made for the lea/axel

James Woods is a pretty shitty person in real life for reasons we can’t discuss on these forums but... well, I’ll probably always be willing to turn a blind eye and welcome him back as Hades.

It’s also delightful to hear that English voice recording is well underway. Just hope they can get some more big names (well Woods isn’t much of a big name anymore but still), like Mandy Moore, Zachary Levi, Billy Crystal, John Goodman, Tim Allen, and Tom Hanks (I don’t care that Jim does the video game voices, nothing compares to Tom, maybe they can convince him to come in for this big game).

EDIT: Whoa, guess there isn’t a ban on that kind of talk. Should be, like on TFW2005, it just causes strife and bans for all parties in my experience.

"He is a Heartless. He can deny it, his apologists in the media can refute it, and his enablers can promote a narrative that he is a goat. It’s a pack of lies. Philoctetes is a Heartless and that is where his allegiance lies. Always has. Always will."

- leaked Hades quote from KH3

Dude, I have always liked you but now I respect you... I second everything that you said here. The part where you said that we have to keep re-living the coming out event again and again and again is so diddlying true and so diddlying tirying. EVERY diddlyING TIME me and my boyfriend are on a date at least one person come to us and asks "Are you guys brothers?" and god the first time it was funny but we have been together for almost two years now and this keeps happening, it is that hard for someone to just asume we are a couple? And that's my point... People in our world are so homophobic that if they see two grown bearded man touching each others hands or being lovely to one another they need to be brothers because being gay in public for them it's not a thing or it isn't right you know?

I'm sorry, I'm a litle bit pissed rn

Oh gosh, no one has ever done anything like that to me when I have been with a boyfriend, maybe its a cultural difference? I am always looking over my shoulder...but I have been lucky no one has ever really done anything. But I haven't been lucky enough to get a long term boyfriend to consistently go out with all the time lol, so that doesn't help...

But yeah, I guess I didn't say it either Chaser, but thanks for putting it so well. That's exactly what it is still like unfortunately...



They ban you just for bringing up bigotry? Or like going into the gritty details?? Either way, yeah, I mean like the mods said, its relevant to this discussion and his inclusion so I'm glad we were able to discuss it.

As for the voices. I feel like I am not holding my breath for the Pixar cast, but I would expect the Tangled ones again, and Big Hero 6 even though you didn't list them lol. And Hercules of course, minus DeVito like Chaser said way back.

also we will probably get all the current actors of Winnie the Pooh, and I hope the Frozen people reprise their roles too, I sort of expect them to? But I guess they don't have a show to be recording.

i'm being glib, but honestly, the idea that "gay people shouldn't be killed or ostracized for being gay" is considered just a "belief" and up for debate is pretty horrendous.

Welcome to reality, buddy. I know it's injustice, and I know nobody deserves to be treated the way LGBT people do, but expecting people to conform to your morals just because "it's obvious" is more than a tad presumptuous. I'm not saying you're wrong; just that you're not exactly winning any points in your presentation. It's not what you say that bothers me; it's how you say it.

Thanks. I hate it as well. I live in the country and while most people are great there are some people who aren't quite accepting. The other day, while doing shopping, I had to hold my bags in a way that my hand would be 'limp' and I was afraid walking around the shopping centre that someone would come up and harass me.

In other news, I feel that my day has gotten a bit better because Alyson Stoner came out and so I'm happy to support her with this series :). James Woods might have gotten a pay check for KH3, but so did Alyson (if they actually gave her a role) so I'm happy with that.

I sure hope that they atleast made an effort on casting the OG VA's to reprise their roles. There's obvious exceptions like Tom Hanks who has a... Bro-pact, i guess with Jim Hanks, but the other great VA's shouldn't have a problem contributing with their amazing performances for KH3.

I use to believe that Disney viewed KH as this "less important project" for a long time. After lots of KH3 trailers and info gathered over the past 3 years, I've stepped back on that thought and I do believe they'll try on giving each world the authenticity they're known for having. KH is what will and has made Disney relevant in the gaming industry for quite some time now. Yes, I'm aware about marvel & Star Wars, but let's be real, those IPs would be relevant regardless of their owners, but that centric (for lack of better word) side of Disney has had issues lately like the Disney Infinity flop, so I believe it's kinda logical to assume that they would want to take out the big guns for KH3 since it seems like it's the only thing going for them gaming wise.

you don't need to tell me what reality is for living as a queer person, buddy. i'm well aware.

It's not what you say that bothers me; it's how you say it.

do you even listen to yourself? you're saying tone is what is important when it comes to gay people asking not to be killed, not to be oppressed? like, gee, if only gay people would ask nicer than maybe society would treat them better after centuries of subjugating them and treating them like second class citizens. it speaks volumes that you are more concerned with how a plea is worded than the fact that a plea is needed at all.

So much hate on this forum. I think it's great that James Woods is returning as Hades! There isn't anyone who can replace him. He's one of the best. I feel that this forum has too much talk about politics and not enough about possible Kingdom Hearts 3 VAs. As for other returning VAs, I hope that Hayden Panettiere will return as Kairi and that Alyson Stoner will return as Xion. Also I think it's possible that there will be a English VA trailer compilation, consisting of the trailers we got from Toy Story, Olympus Coliseum, Monsters, Inc., and Tangled. Also do you think there's a possibility that they bring out the main English VAs at E3? Can't wait to find out who will be voicing Master Xehanort. I'm definitely staying positive about the possibility of John Goodman, Billy Crystal, and Tim Allen voicing their respective characters. If Danny Devito voices Phil, then I'll be even more shocked. I think Disney is trying a little harder to get some of the original VAs to voice their characters. If The Jungle Book is indeed a world, I think there's a slim possibility that Haley Joel Osment would voice Mowgli. Also Mandy Moore probably will voice Rapunzel, as her voice has already appeared in another game in the series, Kingdom Hearts 1, as Aerith. I'm sure Zachary Levi will voice Flynn Rider, especially since he voices him in Tangled: The Series. Ryan Potter and Scott Adsit, I'm positive will be voicing Hiro and Baymax because they also are voicing them in Big Hero 6: The Series.

I guess trying to go back on topic was just a nice thought.
I'm not "pissed" this thread got derailed, mind you, it's just that these topics are touchy for a reason: I think the main issue is that there always will be a disconnection between each side until everybody learns to understand the other's perspective and feelings (understand, not accepting blindly).
People who for whatever reason are against condemnding Woods that much will try and express their unsatisfaction by saying things like "phrase this better", "don't be so mad at someone who advocates your destruction" and so on. Which is just... no, you can't do that. You can't just ask (or DEMAND) people who went through painful experiences you'll never even imagine to ditch all of that and embrace your view on the subject.
But likewise, the biggest... mh, I guess gripe? I have with the opposite faction, is the same problem of just imposing a way on others.
Look, this is a really awful and hard thing to say and I'm not feeling good about it. LGBT people (and all minorities as that) just want equality and being treated as normal and dignified human beings (there definitely are individuals out there for some kind of vendetta, but as Sora2016 said extremists exist everywhere). And I am totally out there with you that's only fair and should've been like this from the very beginning.
But the ugly truth is that it just didn't happen, and there are individuals who think this is up for debate or even those who says violence against gay people isn't a thing anymore (yeah, right).
Casting momentarily aside all the frustration this provokes, it shows some people have a harder time even figuring out there is a problem with the suffering of so many others. Which is... bad, dumb, unfair, whichever you want and you're probably right, but this is why ""just"" pointing out the problems isn't enough.

So while on some aspects this indeed is "bigots vs a fair and humane demand", I think they both suffer from the same problem: one side can't empathize enough with the opposite to effectively convey their message or understand the other. People from the LGBT community can totally say to me they don't want to empathize with dumb bigots who think their existence is a matter of discussion, and as a straight person I can't talk you out of that: that's your choice to make as you're your own man/woman.
But I think that's the only way to truly proceed on this fight, especially if universal decency and human treatment for everyone is what we want.

TLDR: I'm one of the people who loved Joyner Lucas "I'm not racist" song and believes we need mutual understanding which also implies coming to terms with understanding even the most obtuse or infuriating mindset. If you don't want to, that's okay. Coherently with my message, it's not up to me to tell you how to fight this war or to fight in the first place.

Mh okay, I can see a compilation, maybe a trailer made of past trailers' highlights.

That's his fault for not being civil and respectfully elaborating his point of view. Calling everybody Social Justice Warriors with no context is an insult. Plain and simple. There's free speech and then there's hate speech, people who are talking here are clearly aware of the difference between the two.

The only reason why you don't agree with Woods being a terrible person is because he is not targeting the kind of people you care about. The day that he targets people that are more alike than you is the day you'll understand why people hate him. By the way, did you make the effort to click the links on the previous posts? because as I elaborated there, he's accused of harassment.

And don't pull the :P face, that just makes you look condescending.

Onto the topic at hand, maybe Square Enix was the one to hire back James Woods and not Disney. Because if I recall correctly, voice acting casting is delegated between Disney and Square Enix depending on the character. Disney is very conscious about the PR surrounding the people they hire for any project, however, I highly doubt Square Enix has the same mentality.

OH I'm not so familiar with voice actors so I didn't know that! I was a little sad for a second. The only voice of Phil I can remember is the one from the Kingdom Hearts games, so I'm good with that!

I do genuinely try to "understand" the other side, at least in the sense I know they are complex humans with their own lives and needs. And even if they are shitty to me, I realize there are people who love them usually and stuff like that. I can be empathetic to why people are bigoted to a point, but it is sort of exhausting to deal with all the time. I sort of try to not speak when I get to that point where I am just angry lol, which I was sort of low-key reaching yesterday and I started replying to this thread less.... I'm sure I wasn't poignant enough at some points but I tried to discuss stuff civilly I think?

But like I said, I try not to just let people say stuff anymore... I think that staying silent, along with the kind of person who just jumps in and defends people being bigots, has allowed them to think they can get away with it.

And it is sad, its a statistically proven fact bigotry makes the world worse. Clearly this applies more to the bigotry in the workplace and governments than it does to maybe just some rando, but unsurprisingly having systematic oppression in place makes most minorities able to contribute less to society. Also, our drive and happiness go way down at times cuz of it too lol. I guess my point is, I want to stop bigotry for me for sure, but I also believe it will make everyone's lives better in the end. Including bigots, funnily enough. Thats why its sad they are literally just making their lives worse, and just so they can hate others?

Oh, and real talk...so yea the compassion thing is definitely important, but it probably will take quite a long time to have the affect we want right now? So while I do want that to keep happening...I feel like even if we as a majority of society keep condemning this behavior and even trying to make real punishments for it like them losing their jobs, or sponsors, or whatever at the very least sends the message that they can't just run around shouting whatever bigoted crap they want cuz "free speech!" And that is clearly a band-aid solution, but gosh it sounds better than what has been happening the past few years, at least in America... I realize some other places are clearly way worse.



I'm really unsure how widespread the knowledge about his accusations and views are? I really hadn't seen anything at all about it till the past year, and it was mostly on places like this, not like Facebook, or funnily enough Twitter lol. I kinda think it has been slipping under the radar, so I dunno if they would consider it bad PR to hire him... and I do think Disney are probably the ones who got him again.

I mean i'm from Brazil, one of the countries with the highest rates of LGBT murder so that doesn't help me lol

Why though? Because the blunt truth is harder to ignore than a good old whitewashed nice approach?
Some things need to be said blatantly and clearly until they've been heard enough. This thread is proof of that in itself.

Well, if Agrabah is going to be a returning world then Iago's voice actor would probably be met with the same ire, especially in regards to those tasteless jokes he made a few years back regarding a Japanese tsunami that happened. Besides, both James Woods and Gilbert Godfrey are likely C or D rated actors in the film industry. When has Gilbert Godfrey had a major film presence outside of the Problem Child franchise and Aladdin?

Right, I guess that's right on your little info box there, sorry ha. So a bit more than just a cultural difference...

Gilbert Godfrey is treated like a joke these days. People don’t listen to him seriously unlike they do James Woods, who has a really big social media following.

Actors have influence outside of what projects they take on. It doesn’t matter if Woods hasn’t been in a blockbuster film or huge hit TV show in years. He has an audience elsewhere.

Well, Hollywood is infamous for idiots. James Woods isn't the first. Heck, Eminem was a controversial figure years back in how he was perceived by the LGBT+ community, African American rappers, politicians, his ex-wife, his mom, etc. Plus, look at this way, you get to beat the heck out of him in KH3.

Oh, I wasn't raising fingers at anyone in particular, just stating my viewpoint.
Also on these subjects I hardly believe I can condemn anyone on how they wanna act anyway. I will have opinions about them, but that's it.



See... I won't say that didn't happen, but I'm not a huge fan of the "if you don't act you're siding with the oppressor" mentality. I don't like the thought of basically guilt-tripping people with a do-or-die philosophy. You should do your best to get your message across, and hope people will learn. The moment you give up on that, you're giving up on the whole "treating everyone the same". Just because the others do it, we shouldn't. We should be better.

It's kinda like with bullies, of course there are those that will think they can harass you just because you let them, but it's not all of them and some will do that for other reasons, meaning the "not doing anything" isn't the only root of the problem. What I'm trying to say is one should find a medium. Obviously not just let people do whatever they please, but also not use that as an "excuse" to incite at ALWAYS counterattack.



That's the gist of it. My proposition usually falls on deaf ears because it's obviously the longest and thoughest path, while the "band-aid solution" of reacting at every turn sounds much more appealing and, to many, the "right one". I've already met people, both minorities supporters and minorites themselves, that just plainly told me I'm wrong and "before we do any compromise we should get back at them for everything".
I strongly disagree, but what can I do.
Again, I'm a straight white male born in the right side of the world: there is a limit in how much I can push my ideas, and even how sure I can be of them. I am not one of the victims.

Best comment in this entire thread.

I might be the only one to feel that way, but this joke entirely loses me.
Hint: I doubt he gives a flying fuck about his virtual character being beat up as long as he gets his money. But hey, that's just me.

I think it's more meant in like a "it'll be cathartic for you to beat him up" way than like a "Woods will care that you do" way

I personally hope James Woods steps on an oddly shaped Lego piece, right in the center of his bare foot, at least once a week for the rest of his life.

I enjoy Hades as a character though, I honestly do. These kinds of things cause conflicting emotions in me, but the way I see it is the problematic actors are already getting paid. I don't want to punish one of my favorite gaming companies when it most likely won't negatively effect the actor or actors in question. I'll just speak out against crappy people whenever possible, and enjoy KH3 as much as I'm able.

I see.
I suppose that's great for the people who actively want to punch him in the face to feel better, while I personally just don't want him to get any more money or support in any kind of way.

He's going to get money and support until he's dead. Getting mad about it is literally a huge waste of time.

I resent his statements, most of them being complete nonsense bullshit including assertions that Obama was muslim and that homosexuality is chosen behavior, but I think getting continually offended by his mere existence isn't passive-- it's a choice, and it's a choice that isn't getting anyone anywhere.

Disney will always get Woods to play Hades. We all knew this was going to happen. It hurts that one of my favorite Disney characters ever is portrayed by a bigot, but I knew the character before I knew Woods, and if Woods performs Hades to his usual level of perfection, I'm sure I won't be thinking about Woods while I play.

I realize you weren't singling me out or anything lol, I guess I felt like explaining how I handle it. I realize its not good to like...guilt people into stuff. It really upsets me when people are apathetic to my cause clearly, and I try to explain why that upsets me. But yea, I guess if they still decide to not change their actions...I dunno, I guess I just give up on them lol.

Hmmm, I have been lucky to not really speak to anyone who wants to "get back at them" or whatever, but yea I do see why the band-aid solution is more appealing...like I said it is still appealing to me as well, even though I also am trying to implement the long term solution as well? Most of my LGBT friends feel the same way. But I dunno, I guess it can be touchy, I try to listen to people who aren't going through this, the only time it makes me angry is when a straight person tries to tell me I am wrong about my own experience? Like thats when my inclusion of their ideas shuts down and I get annoyed lol. Even if, sometimes, their thoughts have validity haha. I usually realize that later, and open up discussion then... but it can hurt to hear a truth you don't want to. But that goes for all people. It says a lot more about people who ignore it forever or not.
I guess what I am saying is, I appreciate the concern and would still employ it ha, but some of us are definitely open to your ideas, even if you aren't going through it.

This is getting ridiculous. What happened to this conversation about English voice acting because it's not going anywhere. This forum is not about politics, it's about one of our favorite video game series, which makes me think that this political banter is not acceptable on here and having 9 pages of continuous hateful and political comments about James Woods is seriously getting out of hand.

Look mate, I get your concern but the issue here is Disney has given a paycheck to a man who dehumanises and demoralises a bunch of minorities on what looks to be a daily basis. This is more than just politics, it's recognising that Woods is not a nice person and some of us, despite nostalgia, are disappointed with Disney's decision to keep Woods, especially since he gave a horrible performance in the Re:coded movie (does he smoke? Because his voice now sounds like he smokes) which doesn't give much hope to a good performance from him for Kingdom Hearts 3.

90% of the staff on KHInsider are LGBTIQ+ and the rest are allies. A number of members of these forums are LGBTIQ+ as well, so it's just a bit shameful that in 2018 Disney has provided this man with a pay check.

There's another thread that is purely about the joy of the English voice acting, if you wanted to go post there.

It's a really complicated situation. It's a matter of if you are able to separate the actor from the character. Hades is one of my absolute favorite Disney villains, but I don't have a strong opinion of James Woods anymore. Yet, despite that, I still can't see anyone but him voicing the character (even with recent poor performances, which I hope is better in KH3). Not to mention that he is such a small part of the overall game. But I know that not everyone can do that depending on the actor and situation, and I totally understand why someone would be upset by this. I gotta say though, it feels really good to know that most people here are LGBT friendly too. I mean i'm not surprised of course, but it's nice to have that clarified.

What I think we all can agree on is that this means that KH3 is closer than ever before, and that's SO exciting!

Well I'm glad that Woods will be replaying Hades, however after hearing about his...less that stellar mindset, Im a bit conflicted.

Just to say something about this post first. Wow, I had no idea this post would get out of hand so fast with the politics. James Woods is far from a person I'd look up to, but his performance as Hades is separate from that. Unless it directly interacts with the performance, I think the politics conversation should maybe be best discussed elsewhere, since the meaning of this thread was to talk about the English dub hype. I'm not unsympathetic to those who find him offensive, as I don't like his views either & I go into it a bit down below, but there's a time & place for all of these things is what I'm saying, if that can be seen as me not trying to cause offense.
Also, I got to this thread pretty late, as I don't browse it as often as I do Kanzenshuu, so this'll be a pretty big response to people I think required a response in some form, so sorry about that. Some of the responses might seem contradictory too upon reflection, so sorry about that, but I was handling these individually rather than as a whole.
On to the responses...

I mean, would he even get that big of a paycheck, especially considering the other VA's are gonna be in it more than he is? In prior games, he's only been in it for a few hours' time per game at best. He's said he'll voice the character no matter how much Disney pays him, so it really doesn't matter to him, but I'd think the other actors would get more money than he's going to.


Jontron's is different. He's the kinda guy who's never publicly shared his political views, so for the ones he DID share caused a big thing with other people. He got dropped from Yooka-Laylee because the devs wanted him distanced from their project because of it. James Woods' political views are known already & I don't think anyone cares enough because it's James Woods, unless they espouse the same views he does. He's relegated to recurring guest appearances on Family Guy & playing Hades at this point. He's not really an entity people worry about. I don't think most KH fans really care if he still voices Hades either, since he's been the character's voice for 20 years at this point for Disney. It's all a matter of perspective too.


I'd think that that would give you ample reason to beat the shit out of Hades as soon as you can.


Depends on what they do for it. E3 begins in June. Are they just gonna release updated versions of the trailers we've already seen, just with the English dialogue & redone subtitles taken from that script rather than what they've had thus far, or are they gonna give us new trailers made from scratch? I hope for the former, but it's most likely gonna be the latter, at least at first. Maybe they'll have the same cutscenes to show off the newer worlds for the game, but then have new fight footage, would be my guess. Since they're most likely having the principle VAs recording first, they'll have enough to work with in 3 months. We'll see.


I really hope there's not a Frozen world. What would there even be to do? The main movie wasn't that good & Elsa's a person who turned bad, but was then woken up by her sister. KH worlds should have a concise reason as to why they're picked other than popularity & have a clear villain to defeat.


Considering that Olympus is back & it's most likely adapting towards the end of the movie this time, since the previous games adapted the first 2/3 of the movie. Hades also looks to be re-recruited by Maleficent like the first game, which I hope will be followed through on finally, since Ansem hijacked the plot of the first game 2/3 of the way through with not a lot of proper ending to the other villains' plot.


Well, Disney IS buying Fox & they published the books, so maybe they'll do a Netflix series, or a series for that eventual stream platform they have in development. They've done so with the Marvel shows, so it'd be cool. Having Percy Jackson in KH would also be pretty cool, since there's so many parallels that they can draw on between the 2 franchises.


Dude, you can disagree with a Conservative person & not be an SJW. I hate a lot of Conservative viewpoints. I also hate a lot of Liberal viewpoints. I'm not gonna want someone fired from their job just because of their views & how they espouse them, but if their views can legitimately do harm, then there should be some kind of repercussions. Woods isn't the most dangerous Conservative voice out there, but he could turn that way if the right things happen to do so.


Considering he's, y'know, a god, that's not gonna happen. He's immortal. That's why he rules the Underworld.


Halloween Town was confirmed by Namura to be retired after 2, Atlantica is SO boring & bad in terms of gameplay, & Agrabah could be good, but considering how poorly they adapted Return of Jafar's plot in 2, I don't know how they'd handle the better sequel; King of Thieves. At least Hercules has an expansive lore & potential that they can build off of. Those others...don't really. I agree that shoehorning it into a lot of the games of the series wasn't probably the best thing, but it's clearly important to Sora, so it's more of execution. Considering that they way they've done it is better than the movie, I don't mind them using it as much. Also, considering that it's one of the staple worlds, it's not like it's a bad thing that it stays in future sequels. Hercules' world has so much lore they could adapt from the Greek mythology that it could serve for potentially interesting levels. Even what Hercules already has in its movie could be interesting, passed the tournament cups.
Also, quit typing "lol" after every sentence. It's annoying & takes away any seriousness you're trying to have.


Well, they'll most likely come back, since they're not above TV work. Depending on how big the budget is, they have the potential to bring back every VA in this series & newer ones from the newer projects. My main concern is getting Tom Hanks & Tim Allen back. Since they're recording for Toy Story 4, or have by now, I can see Disney negotiating their contracts to have KH3 in there for them & pay them slightly more for working on the movie as compensation. Allen I can see as being easier to get back, since he's still doing stand-up & had Last Man Standing for 6 years on ABC. Surprised no one's brought that up as a counterpoint to Woods, since, while he's Conservative too, he doesn't seem as overtly awful. In fact, the way Last Man Standing was written reminded me a lot of how King of the Hill was written, where they clearly have their style of satirical comedy towards the Left, but aren't totally against some of the new age things that arise from it. Especially since there seems to be a genuine heart to the series underneath it all.
Anyways, Anyone have thoughts on them getting those 2?


Hope that was satire.


Well, they got John Goodman to do Emperor's New Groove's TV spin-off's second season as Pacha after previously being replaced for the first, plus he's come back for Roseanne's revival, so it's likely they could. Billy Crystal could come back, but Carlos Alazraqui has voiced him in most of the videos games the character's appeared in, so who knows.
Unless Mowgli's a teenager or an adult, which is extremely unlikely given the placement they'd most likely set the film's time period, so they'd most likely get a sound-alike, which is pretty ironic, since Haley was the original sound-alike for Jungle Book 2.

Probably because Disney only cares about his talent? Politics and talent are completely separate from each other in case you don’t know.

They cut ties with Pewdiepie after his anti-semantic crap, which was a very good move.

And how about CNN cutting ties with Kathy Griffin over those Trump decapatation photos? Seems politics and talent weren’t separate there. Just wish the same could be realised for Roseanne if those photos of her dressing up as Hitler and eating Holocaust biscuits turn out to be real*.

*Edit: yes they were real, and for a satirical magazine but holy heck it should not have been done

CNN is a political network, so of course they would do that with Kathy.

by no means a pewdiepie fan as I am a grown adult, but some basic research will prove that situation to be a complete nonsense witch hunt over a silly joke. Nothing truly anti semetic was said

I really don’t find anything funny over hiring two people to hold a sign saying “Death to all Jews” or a video with a man dressed as Jesus saying “Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong”. I followed the story when it was breaking, and I was previously following the reporter who Pewdiepie tried to discredit because he was a good reputable source on Disney information.

I don’t find that to be complete nonsense and jokes relating to the holocaust and murdering an entire Religious faith just don’t tickle my bones. My point on this wasn’t to get into debating this kind of discourse but to highlight that “politics” and “talent” are not necessarily separate from each other and there have been instances where corporations, even Disney, has stepped in to sever ties.

I just don't find Pewdiepie comparable to James Woods in this situation. Pewdiepie wasn't genuinely hateful, just tonedeaf and unfunny. James Woods, on the other hand, is obviously very hateful. I think we can all agree that James Woods doesn't deserve to get paychecks due to his behavior, but he is going to get paid at the end of the day and we have to live with that. I'm going to choose to enjoy his performance and separate it from his wonky outdated point of view. Hades will appear in the first few hours of KH3 and I'm not gonna let it be a big hideous thing...

Unless Woods sounds as bad as he did in Re:Coded. But then again, a lot of people sounded bad in that. Seemed like a bit of a rush job to me.

…But I literally said the same thing first (albeit phrased slightly differently).





Not really, Disney evidently cares about the brand image of an actor/performer if it goes against their ethos. Billy Zane was blacklisted from Kingdom Hearts because he was involved in this movie.

[video=youtube;Ivb2hziBrIk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivb2hziBrIk[/video]

Removing Billy Zane from Kingdom Hearts was a reasoning that was entirely politically related in nature.



I’m glad to see that I wasn’t the only one that noticed his sub-par performance in Re:Coded. If his Kingdom Hearts III performance is as honestly as bad as this then that’ll rub salt in the wound with this whole situation.

Personally, I'm surprised that they couldn’t they get a mimic voice actor to try and emulate Hades instead. Not only would it be more cost effective, but it wouldn’t have had the controversy attached to it.

Since you brought her up. I honestly would never want to see Roseanne involved in anything KH or Disney related ever again.
She's been a real hypocrite, rude & ignorant person outside of her television ego.

She was in Home on the Ranch right? Not the best Disney film, especially since it was during their creative slump. I can’t see much potential bringing that film into the Kingdom Hearts universe. I’d think they should avoid turning Sora into a cow, and cow summons do not sound appealing.

Yes, she contributed in HOTR. Imo her character "Maggie" was the main problem with the film for many reasons that could be discussed. The premise itself didn't sound very interesting either. There still were some good things in there but they were few at best. So I can see why people don't like HOTR.

Sora as a cow would give me the vibes of something like Barnyard. Gee! that would be cringe.

Hey man, I'm glad you're able to brush these things off so easily, but the "it's not helping anyone" argument is so lame, old and simply false.
If there is a single thing in cases like this one that can help, it's protesting against choosing people like Woods no matter how nostalgic he feels, repeatedly stating how he is not someone you want to see involved in this franchise etc etc.
If you don't want to do that, maybe because his performance is more important to you than his political views, then that is your rightful choice, but please don't run around telling people their opinions are useless or their protests futile. Don't tell people getting offended is a deliberate choice that you can just choose to not make, because it isn't.
Sure, it would be easy for me to say"Hey, I don't care, it's just a game, amirite?" this instant, but I wonder how much of it will hold up the next time I get disgusted, unbelieving comments regarding my sexuality.
Things don't get easier by just looking away, at least not for the affected minorities.

Can we not talk about Sora as a cow? I have trauma surrounding cows thanks to Chaser.

I’ve never liked Roseanne even as a child and just knowing her attempts at “comedy” are what they are just makes me continue to dislike her. Also she was the reason I HATED HOTR because Maggie was so annoying. I don’t even know what Disney was thinking about there.

Thank God the movie was a flop so that vile woman will never be asked to participate in KH. It's sad that I liked her once before everything she purported to stand for turned out to be a lie. One good thing--the only good thing--about what's currently happening in the world is it's revealed a lot of people for who they really are. I'd rather know who the monsters are.

As far as James Woods, it's a real shame, because Hercules is my 2nd favorite Disney film. :X I would be on board if they got a (lesser) replacement actor and Disney cut all ties with him, but I'll still buy KH3 even if he's in it because Hades has a minimal role in the game. *shrug* :(



Thankfully there are so many people who are "pretentious" or "obnoxious" in the LGBT community, because they are the ones who have made change a reality. I'll take that over people who are silent and go along to get along, who only make it easier for the hateful to oppress and subjugate us. Of course, it's no surprise that there are people outside the marginalized groups that feel those uppity gay people (or uppity black people, or uppity women, etc. etc. take your pick) need to be "put in their place" just for wanting to be treated like equal human beings.

Anyway, I'm surprised they've begun voice work already. I guess if they want to get the game out this year, they'll have to start recording while the game is still being worked on.

When they plan to have any KH game come out in the last four months of the year, they always start recording or finish recording around this time of the year. It’s a really good sign too. It means they should have the animations for the mouth movements done so they can dub the scenes. Which means the game should be way further along than most people think it is.

It's not that I don't care, it's that there's a lot of things in this world to be mad about, and it's better for me to not get mad about a done deal like Woods voicing Hades. There's greater injustice taking place everywhere. Would it be better if they found a perfect, talented soundalike who's views aren't dated and horrible? Yes. But at the end of the day, it was James again-- It was probably James for the very last time.

I'm very much a bleeding heart liberal. I'm constantly protesting heinous shit as it pops up. Activism has very much to do with everything I do in my career. But, sue me for this, James Woods isn't that important to me, and I think he is by and large discredited as an individual. You're not going to find me fuming while I play the video game with his voice in it, because doing a voice is literally all he's good for.

Um, Pewdiepie was only joking. It was a bad joke & he owned up to it. It was a heavy bit of dark comedy. Should no actions have been taken? I don't know. Should Disney have cut ties with him? I don't think so. Then again, they seem to only forgive their employees if they actually give them good press, like Vanessa Hudgens when that nude photo scandal came & went a decade ago, which didn't get her replaced for HSM3.
Kathy Griffin's was intended as a joke too, but it really didn't help the Left because it makes Trump look like a victim. She wasn't apologetic about it either & it seems like it was fueled by a need to appear relevant, which she hasn't been in a while.
Roseanne is getting them ratings & money. Plus, Disney isn't really a Liberal company. They focus more on money than anything. If they perceive anything as getting in the way of them making money, they'll get rid of it. Why do you think they bought Marvel, Lucasfilm, & Fox? They want all the money in the world & they don't care who makes it for them, they'll get who they need to make it happen. Granted, they helped Marvel usher in the new age of Superhero films & took Star Wars out of George Lucas' hands so he could stop making bad movies, so that might be a good trade-off.

I really don't want to pull the race card here, but you're genuinely undermining the ignorance of Pewdiepie. Don't be an enabler of his behaviour. Just because you have thick skin to his controversy (probably because you're not the kind of person he's offended) doesn't mean that everyone shares your sentiment.

There's joking and then there's hatred veiled as a joke. Pewdiepie falls in the latter.

He is a full-grown man that has to suffer the consequences of his actions and words. Children watch his content where he screams profanities like the 'n' word or fa-ggot (I had to bypass the sensor as I don't think many would have understood what cheese meant). This encourages them to do the same, to say the same things. Bad joke or not, there really should be no defence for his deplorable behaviour.

I only brought him up as an example of companies cutting ties with talent because of 'politics', in this case it was Disney. I had forgotten about the Billy Zane controversy and now wish I hadn't so I could have used that instead as I hate talking about Pewdiepie.

Well, considering the Olympus world is going to end on the same note as it did in the 1996 Disney version then Hades will likely meet this same fate, being punched in the face and then punched all the way into the river where the souls drag him down by Hercules after he rescued Meg's soul from said river. [SPOILER]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts_WDlgNMoo[/SPOILER] I do wonder if Meg's voice actress is going to reprise her role. It would also be nice to see the muses and those three sisters of fate that determine someone's death by cutting a piece of their hair.

Too bad money doesn't buy class or human decency.

Shock value is pretty much Kathy Griffin's career in a nutshell, which anyone who follows her already knows. She deserved the blowback, but her career will survive because her fans (mostly LGBT) are victims of Trump and his supporters. Ultimately, Griffin has no power whatsoever versus Trump who enacts and enables discriminatory actions and legislation. Moreover, Trump himself joked about HRC being assassinated. I have no sympathy for him or the people who choose to support him (like James Woods) being on the receiving end of similar "jokes."

Disney only cares about $$$. They would only remove Woods if enough people start threatening to take their money elsewhere because they employ people like him. Just like what happened with John Lasseter being outed as a harasser and predator a little while back.

But what if there are people on this site who support Trump?

They're more than welcome to do so, but we don't advocate for slurs or intentional baiting on sensitive topics.

LGBT here. Bisexual. And yes, the LGBT community does get annoying. The amount of Biphobia and Acephobia among the community is just disgusting. There's even those who want the "G" removed and the " T " removed, so there's transphobia and homophobia within the community itself.


In fact the LGBT community is one of the most acephobic, biphobic, transphobic and homophobic groups to ever exist.



Something that was supposed to help us, is harming us. We are harming ourselves and it's a mess.




No. Pewdiepie was joking, the joke was that he didn't think that they would ever do his message, and in his shock and horror, they did. Pewdiepie doesn't have any "veiled hatred ", otherwise Pew wouldn't of looked so surprised when they returned the message, he would've enjoyed it.

Does jokes like this offend you too ?

[video=youtube;YlQfW9oK1G4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlQfW9oK1G4[/video]

[video=youtube;9x70bndpc70]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x70bndpc70[/video]

As for James Woods, unfortunately Hollywood is filled with sexual harrsasses and pedophiles, just look at Nickelodeon, and unfortunately until something is done, they are just going to keep on getting away with it. I know for KH we can't- but don't see their movies, shows etc, don't support their works if a actor is a known harasser or pedophile.

I mean, I'm not defending the joke. I said it was bad, as in in poor taste & badly executed. I don't think he should've done it. I also don't think he meant it as hate speech, but, again, he shouldn't have done it because it's offensive to the point of uncomfortability. It's a mixed opinion kind of thing. He's not a bad person, he just did a bad thing. That's all I meant. We all have bad things in our lives we wish we could take back, maybe not as bad as that, but still.

Exactly ! And you can tell by Pewdiepie's body language that he didn't really enjoy the fact that the Fiverr workers actually followed through with what he wrote down, he naively assumed that because what he wrote was so messed up, that they wouldn't allow it. But they did. Twice. Not blaming the workers, their job it's to follow through with what people pay for, and there was a language barrier too.

I'll give you that there are always individuals within any marginalized group that are regressive towards their own group and the LGBT community isn't an exception, but "one of the most x-phobic groups to ever exist"? Not the Westboro Baptist Church, the GOP, Nazis and Neo-Nazis, the Russian government that had LGBT slaughtered in Chechnya as part of a holiday last year, various other governments that still call for the death penalty, the Catholic Church, the KKK which murders gay people as well as people of color and white "traitors," ISIS, and on and on. But the LGBT community itself! ...That sounds like the resolution of an episode of Scooby Doo.


I agree about it pointing more definitively to the game being released this year, but I can't help being a little skeptical about how far along the game is. I wouldn't be surprised if they're really pushing their deadline and they have to start voice recording before they've even really finished so that hopefully everything can be ready at the release date. I would be glad to be wrong there though.

Yeah. I saw the clip of his reaction to it, then I saw that he got those guys back their jobs after the incident. He was obviously astonished that they did it & he didn't mean for it to go that far.