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Takeshi Nozue on the potential of a Kingdom Hearts CG Film

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Published on August 31, 2016 @ 02:50 pm
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Takeshi Nozue is known by many as co-director of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and director of Visual Work's second feature film Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV, but many Kingdom Hearts fans know him for his work as movie director and movie supervisor for the entire Kingdom Hearts series.

Director Nozue was recently interviewed by WCCF Tech following the limited theatrical release of Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV about his work on the film and was asked about working on a potential Kingdom Hearts film in the future.

– You’ve also worked on Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II as the movie director. Would you like to direct an actual film based on Kingdom Hearts if such a project was greenlighted?

Nozue: Answering the call of the audience matters more to me than working a particular franchise. Kingdom Hearts or not, if it’s something the fans want, I’m happy to give it a try.

You can read the full interview with director Nozue on Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV on WCCF Tech's website.

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gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 02:48 pmOffline

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it depends on disney though and what they want to do

Muke

August 31, 2016 @ 02:49 pmOffline

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I WANT IT
PLEASE
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The_Echo

August 31, 2016 @ 02:53 pmOffline

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In a way, I feel like a KH movie would be redundant, because the cutscenes are already pretty dang good.
Also we're literally getting a movie in Back Cover.

But on the other hand I'd totally watch it anyway and buy the Blu-ray special edition with 0.1 seconds of new footage for 129 US dollars

Alpha Baymax

August 31, 2016 @ 02:54 pmOffline

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If this happens, I can see Walt Disney Pictures being the distributor and Square Enix being the development studio. I really want the Kingdom Hearts movies to go through the Disney Story/Brain Trust process that Disney Animation and Pixar use. It's been fullproof with providing quality movies for Disney.

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 02:57 pmOffline

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I want it, but only if it's solely by Square Enix and not Disney.

Sephiroth0812

August 31, 2016 @ 02:58 pmOffline

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We already have a movie on start with Back Cover, have we not?

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 02:59 pmOffline

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sqaure might make them movie while disney can market to people like the general audience

Sephiroth0812
We already have a movie on start with Back Cover, have we not?
that just cutscenes turn into a movie

Alpha Baymax

August 31, 2016 @ 03:03 pmOffline

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Xickin
I want it, but only if it's solely by Square Enix and not Disney.


Square Enix's track records of movies is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV. Disney is far better at creating movies because they are a media conglomerate who best specialise in feature animated films. Besides, Kingdom Hearts is copyright to Disney anyway. Why would you not want Disney involved in their owned property?

Chaser

August 31, 2016 @ 03:08 pmOffline

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gosoxtim

that just cutscenes turn into a movie

It's really not. It's more than that.

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 03:12 pmOffline

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Sephiroth0812
We already have a movie on start with Back Cover, have we not?


Not a full-length CG film.

They made Back Cover in Unreal Engine 4 and while it looks gorgeous from what we've seen, it's also not film quality.

OathkeeperRoxas XIII

August 31, 2016 @ 03:13 pmOffline

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How you think battles will be like in a CG movie, will they be long or short, also will the movies use the game lighting engine?

The_Echo

August 31, 2016 @ 03:13 pmOffline

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gosoxtim
that just cutscenes turn into a movie

That was the case for Days and Re:coded, however Back Cover is not an adaptation, but a separate side of the story being developed as a movie from the start.

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 03:13 pmOffline

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Chaser
It's really not. It's more than that.
yeah true but still it not really a big movie like kingsglave in term of theater wise

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ultima-demi

August 31, 2016 @ 03:13 pmOffline

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I'm all for a KH film with the same quality as Disney's film.

reimeille

August 31, 2016 @ 03:15 pmOffline

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As long as it's done in collaboration with Disney's story team I'm happy... I swear pretty much everything they touch turns to gold. If I'm being honest... I don't think I'd want Square to do it solo, or at least be the primary team working on it. I know that doesn't match up to how things usually work for the franchise, but it's still just my personal dream.

I tell myself "don't be picky, be grateful it's possible" but really KH means so much to me that I can't help but be picky :P

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 03:16 pmOffline

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if they do make a movie where would they start with or make a movie in the new saga for a fresh start plus would nomura make the movie cannon?

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 03:22 pmOffline

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reimeille
As long as it's done in collaboration with Disney's story team I'm happy... I swear pretty much everything they touch turns to gold. If I'm being honest... I don't think I'd want Square to do it solo, or at least be the primary team working on it. I know that doesn't match up to how things usually work for the franchise, but it's still just my personal dream.

I tell myself "don't be picky, be grateful it's possible" but really KH means so much to me that I can't help but be picky :P


This.

I want Disney directors and screenwriters, Nomura as consultant and base story (and they keep him involved the entire way! This is important!), and Visual Works with access to Disney's animation technology animating. Imagine what they could do with everything Disney has! They already make gorgeous visuals with the tech they have, but damn.

FudgemintGuardian

August 31, 2016 @ 03:32 pmOffline

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Well, we're kinda already getting a film with Back Cover. Even if it's not a full-length film it's still a film. And I hope it's well received to the point they do stuff like that again in the future, like shorts and whatnot for the more under-developed characters (i.e pretty much everybody.)

May only issue with having a full-length CG film is....Kingdom Hearts is already CG. If a full-length film were to ever happen, it should be different from what we've already seen. It should be....a traditional 2D animated movie! With 100% Disney magic! ~*~*

reimeille

August 31, 2016 @ 03:35 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
This.

I want Disney directors and screenwriters, Nomura as consultant and base story (and they keep him involved the entire way! This is important!), and Visual Works with access to Disney's animation technology animating. Imagine what they could do with everything Disney has! They already make gorgeous visuals with the tech they have, but damn.


Yes! That's exactly how I'd always imagined it! Disney is absolutely top-notch when it comes to movies, and I think they'd do best as the main team... but it's very important that Nomura still has involvement (as with any adaptation). Visual Works is great but Disney tech I think still surpasses it, so giving them access to it would be perfect -- but I wouldn't mind if WDAS was the one animating either.

Ugh, just talking about this has me wanting to faint... THANKS NOZUE FOR GETTING MY HOPES UP I'M NEVER GONNA STOP NOWWW

Dandelion

August 31, 2016 @ 03:40 pmOffline

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Kingdom Hearts isn't really designed to be a compact experience. Like, the only reason the cinematics in the remixes work is because they're part of something bigger.

A movie would have to be incredible story-wise in order to work, and that's not something Square can do alone.

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 03:43 pmOffline

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plus disney have va already for sora and friends square needs to stay away but nomra need to help out with it since kingdom hearts is his baby

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 03:54 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
May only issue with having a full-length CG film is....Kingdom Hearts is already CG. If a full-length film were to ever happen, it should be different from what we've already seen. It should be....a traditional 2D animated movie! With 100% Disney magic! ~*~*


Not in the definition of what goes into a CG film it isn't. High fidelity visuals like what we see the CG openings or the level of Disney films is nothing that can be replicated in games right now (Uncharted 4 and The Order: 1886 are the closest I've seen to it, though...prior to that was Infamous: Second Son)

Disney doesn't have a 2D animated film department anymore lol

You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see a Kingdom Hearts film at the quality of Visual Work's and Disney's best animated films?

reimeille
Yes! That's exactly how I'd always imagined it! Disney is absolutely top-notch when it comes to movies, and I think they'd do best as the main team... but it's very important that Nomura still has involvement (as with any adaptation). Visual Works is great but Disney tech I think still surpasses it, so giving them access to it would be perfect -- but I wouldn't mind if WDAS was the one animating either.

Ugh, just talking about this has me wanting to faint... THANKS NOZUE FOR GETTING MY HOPES UP I'M NEVER GONNA STOP NOWWW


Or both studios can animate!

God, this would be such a huge passion project.

Tinny
Kingdom Hearts isn't really designed to be a compact experience. Like, the only reason the cinematics in the remixes work is because they're part of something bigger.

A movie would have to be incredible story-wise in order to work, and that's not something Square can do alone.


Honestly my thought was that they should make the film a standalone reboot apart from the games. APZR made a great suggestion that KH1 could be adapted pretty well into a 90 minute film.

Lulcy

August 31, 2016 @ 03:55 pmOffline

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I´m all for a ful CG Kingdom Hearts movie. However, instead of doing an adaptation they should do an original story, like how DISNEY´s Big Hero 6 is original and has nothing to do with MARVEL´s Big Hero 6.

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 03:58 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Honestly my thought was that they should make the film a standalone reboot apart from the games. APZR made a great suggestion that KH1 could be adapted pretty well into a 90 minute film.
that the best thng can do and it will bring more audience to the series as well

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ultima-demi

August 31, 2016 @ 03:58 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Not in the definition of what goes into a CG film it isn't. High fidelity visuals like what we see the CG openings or the level of Disney films is nothing that can be replicated in games right now (Uncharted 4 and The Order: 1886 are the closest I've seen to it, though...prior to that was Infamous: Second Son)

Forgot about Ratchet and Clank.

Vanitas666

August 31, 2016 @ 04:19 pmOffline

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Nozue:

[FONT="] Answering the call of the audience matters more to me than working a particular franchise. Kingdom Hearts or not, if it’s something the fans want, I’m happy to give it a try.[/FONT]



I'll be honest and say that sound like the worst philosophy ever as an artist and a quick way to fuck up your spontaneous creativity.
What really imbues confidence in a creator for me is when they say they don't give a fuck what the fans think but rather just want to do their own thing.

Dandelion

August 31, 2016 @ 04:21 pmOffline

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Vanitas666
I'll be honest and say that sound like the worst philosophy ever as an artist and a quick way to diddly up your spontaneous creativity.
What really imbues confidence in a creator for me is when they say they don't give a diddly what the fans think but rather just want to do their own thing.


I mean, he doesn't think as a director, he thinks as the leader of a studio who has to make fans happy. He's at the will of Square Enix, he can't really be spontaneous, even if he wanted to be.

ImVentus

August 31, 2016 @ 04:31 pmOffline

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If they would decide to make an actual feature film I'd support it definitely cause KH includes one of my all-time favourite written stories out there. But how would they handle the Disney worlds? Would it be the same if Sora didn't hang around Donald & Goofy?

There's many ways to go with the concept.

Zapt

August 31, 2016 @ 04:36 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
Under-developed characters (i.e pretty much everybody.)



Make a film for demyx!!!!!!

Lulcy

August 31, 2016 @ 04:53 pmOffline

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Vanitas666
I'll be honest and say that sound like the worst philosophy ever as an artist and a quick way to diddly up your spontaneous creativity.
What really imbues confidence in a creator for me is when they say they don't give a diddly what the fans think but rather just want to do their own thing.

By "answering the call of the audience" he only means that he would work in whatever project that has a big fan demand, this doesn´t necesarilly mean that he will sacrifice his creative side, since one can work in heavily fan-demanded product but still do put your own creative flavor (i.e: Nomura incorporating action ARPG gameplay in the heavily demmanded FFVIIRemake).

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 05:56 pmOffline

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Alpha Baymax
Square Enix's track records of movies is Final Fnatasy: The Spirits Within and Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV. Disney is far better at creating movies because they are a media conglomerate who best specialise in feature animated films. Besides, Kingdom Hearts is copyright to Disney anyway. Why would you not want Disney involved in their owned property?


Have you forgotten Advent Children? I want Square Enix mostly because it was their initial idea and creation, it' my belief they'll treat it right. I've been scorned by Disney movies one too many times for me to comfortable with a 50/50 collaboration, or even an 80/20 on my favourite video game franchise.

kinxsonic

August 31, 2016 @ 06:17 pmOffline

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[FONT='inherit']No thanks! Tetsuya will make the movie canon somehow and will make the story more complicated. KHX[chi]'s ending was complicated enough for me.[/FONT]

Grono

August 31, 2016 @ 06:18 pmOffline

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I'm... impartial towards this. I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I'm not sure if this could work. There's WAY too much to do to be able to faithfully even do the first game. Although at least it wouldn't be live action xD

As long as it's just a retelling, i'm good I guess. Who knows, maybe it'll be like the first great video game movie ever.

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Xagzan

August 31, 2016 @ 06:20 pmOffline

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No, thank you. I'm already not crazy about this new quasi-realistic, uncanny CG art shift in the games, don't need a movie out of it too. The old cartoony style was perfect for this franchise, and outside of worlds based on 3D animated movies like Tangled, I never saw a need for such a drastic overhaul, especially this late in the game.

Dandelion

August 31, 2016 @ 06:29 pmOffline

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Xickin
Have you forgotten Advent Children? I want Square Enix mostly because it was their initial idea and creation, it' my belief they'll treat it right. I've been scorned by Disney movies one too many times for me to comfortable with a 50/50 collaboration, or even an 80/20 on my favourite video game franchise.


Kingdom Hearts was actually Disney's idea. You wouldn't have the game franchise without Disney. You know, considering it's all Disney's.

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 06:34 pmOffline

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Tinny
Kingdom Hearts was actually Disney's idea. You wouldn't have the game franchise without Disney. You know, considering it's all Disney's.

You're telling me, that KINGDOM HEARTS was thought up by Disney? Despite most of the original staff consisting of Square Enix designers, and when you Google "Kingdom Hearts creator" all you get is either Tetsuya Nomura, or Yoko Shimomura, or Shinji Hashimoto, or Hironobu Sakaguchi? Because I was under the belief that they collaborated with Disney to let them use the rights to their characters, but ultimately it was Square Enix's design.

PS I actually would like to know the answer to this.



No thanks! Tetsuya will make the movie canon somehow and will make the story more complicated. KHX[chi]'s ending was complicated enough for me.




Fair enough.

BTW I've reconsidered my percentages, I'd be okay with 75/25, but nothing beyond that. I want Square Enix to come up with the design and story, but Disney can shoot some ideas...some.

Dandelion

August 31, 2016 @ 08:04 pmOffline

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Disney approached square to develop a JRPG with their IP, square did develop it but their partnership was set into motion by Disney. Square didn't apply for a license, they work together as partners in a very respectful collaboration. It's not whatever you're imagining

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 08:14 pmOffline

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Um, wasn't imagining. I was told that Square Enix approached Disney for the project, not the other way around.

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 08:21 pmOffline

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Note: I have no idea what's going on right now with my internet connection or the site, but it's not letting me edit my post, but this is the edited version:

Um, I wasn't imagining. I was told that Square Enix approached Disney for the project, not the other way around; and everywhere I look online gives the design and original idea credit towards Square, not Dinsey (or neither).

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 08:24 pmOffline

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ultima-demi
Forgot about Ratchet and Clank.


OH YES. That game is gorgeous!

ImVentus
If they would decide to make an actual feature film I'd support it definitely cause KH includes one of my all-time favourite written stories out there. But how would they handle the Disney worlds? Would it be the same if Sora didn't hang around Donald & Goofy?

There's many ways to go with the concept.


I think they'd probably skip the Disney worlds stuff and focus on original locations but include a variety of classic and iconic Disney characters along the way.

I doubt they'd push Donald and Goofy or Mickey aside.

kinxsonic

[FONT=&]No thanks! Tetsuya will make the movie canon somehow and will make the story more complicated. KHX[chi]'s ending was complicated enough for me.[/FONT]



We'd never know how they'd approach a film. I think the overwhelming majority would want an adaption of a game or reboot of the series.

Xickin
You're telling me, that KINGDOM HEARTS was thought up by Disney? Despite most of the original staff consisting of Square Enix designers, and when you Google "Kingdom Hearts creator" all you get is either Tetsuya Nomura, or Yoko Shimomura, or Shinji Hashimoto, or Hironobu Sakaguchi? Because I was under the belief that they collaborated with Disney to let them use the rights to their characters, but ultimately it was Square Enix's design.


What? Not the concept itself but Disney and Squaresoft both agreed to make a game together. It wasn't "can we make this game for you Disney?" or "Make this game for us Squaresoft" deal. It was a mutual thing.

Let me give you a lovely history lesson about Kingdom Hearts.

So, elevator story. Disney executive and Shinji Hashimoto enter an elevator, say it'd be nice to work on a game together in a joking manner, then actually start talking about the potential to do it. Nomura overhears Sakaguchi and Hashimoto discussing the potential project (Disney and Square can't agree on a main character) and volunteers himself to design the concept. Sometime around FF8 wrapping up, Nomura spends his time creating a pitch to Disney. For a year he works on this alone.

Pitches it to Disney, the project takes off. Disney has full ownership all original content produced in Kingdom Hearts, but it is still Square Enix's game and they get most of the profits. It apparently a really complex and confusing contract, but it boils down to Kingdom Hearts being a Disney property.



BTW I've reconsidered my percentages, I'd be okay with 75/25, but nothing beyond that. I want Square Enix to come up with the design and story, but Disney can shoot some ideas...some.



I think it'd be expected for Square Enix to do the design and story legwork, but for real I wouldn't let Square Enix touch the script.

Not to hate on their scenario writers or translators, but Kingdom Hearts has some of the most hammy and awkward writing in English that I've ever seen and it's an issue with almost all of Square Enix's games. I wouldn't trust them to script a Kingdom Hearts film without having their best translators working with Disney's best writers to make a solid script.

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 08:40 pmOffline

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What? Not the concept itself but Disney and Squaresoft both agreed to make a game together. It wasn't "can we make this game for you Disney?" or "Make this game for us Squaresoft" deal. It was a mutual thing.



Let me give you a lovely history lesson about Kingdom Hearts.



So, elevator story. Disney executive and Shinji Hashimoto enter an elevator, say it'd be nice to work on a game together in a joking manner, then actually start talking about the potential to do it. Nomura overhears Sakaguchi and Hashimoto discussing the potential project (Disney and Square can't agree on a main character) and volunteers himself to design the concept. Sometime around FF8 wrapping up, Nomura spends his time creating a pitch to Disney. For a year he works on this alone.



Pitches it to Disney, the project takes off. Disney has full ownership all original content produced in Kingdom Hearts, but it is still Square Enix's game and they get most of the profits. It apparently a really complex and confusing contract, but it boils down to Kingdom Hearts being a Disney property.




...how is that even real? Kingdom Hearts being the elevator love child of a Disney exec. and Shinji Hashimoto.

But whom approached whom first? Disney, or Square? Who's original idea was it? And that most definitely sounds like a very convoluted contract. I'm going to do some research now and see how Disney has been involved in the development of Kingdom Hearts.

I also stand by my statement for Square, and not Disney. Disney has disappointed me too many times throughout my life to the point where the only movies I'll see with the Disney logo on it are Marvel and Star Wars movies. Square Enix on the other hand has not...mostly.

PS Seems "edit" is working again.

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 08:58 pmOffline

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Xickin
...how is that even real? Kingdom Hearts being the elevator love child of a Disney exec. and Shinji Hashimoto.

But whom approached whom first? Disney, or Square? Who's original idea was it? And that most definitely sounds like a very convoluted contract. I'm going to do some research now and see how Disney has been involved in the development of Kingdom Hearts.


They just agreed to do it together. It was a joke––a passing comment between execs––but then they thought about it and it sounded more appealing than they expected.

You don't really need to do research. Iwata and Nomura talked the whole thing out rofl

Tetsuya Nomura in Iwata Asks! - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider

Disney was involved through the whole thing. Constant faxes back and forth, phone calls, meetings, etc.

CoM, KH2 and beyond had Disney not being as proactive, comfortable to let Nomura and the devs do their thing, but they were still a big part of the entire process.

Recap! Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMix NA Launch Event - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider

At the 2.5 launch event, Hashimoto and Disney Japan Executive Producer Emiko Yamamoto reaffirmed that Disney has been an integral partner with Square Enix while developing Kingdom Hearts for all of these years.

With KH3, they have taken a bigger role by having staff from Disney films consult and stuff...



I also stand by my statement for Square, and not Disney. Disney has disappointed me too many times throughout my life to the point where the only movies I'll see with the Disney logo on it are Marvel and Star Wars movies. Square Enix on the other hand has not...mostly.



I suppose it must be a matter of tastes. Neither company has let me down, but Square Enix certainly doesn't reassure me in terms of script writing.

Xickin

August 31, 2016 @ 09:03 pmOffline

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I don't know why, but I'm okay with Disney stepping in for KH3, but not a totally hypothetical movie...huh, weird. Maybe I just want the latest Kingdom Hearts instalment to move more towards their roots, as opposed the anime direction (which I find they've been leaning towards).

OathkeeperRoxas XIII

August 31, 2016 @ 09:06 pmOffline

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Someone didn't like the idea of the movie being worked as Canon but considering mostly movies Based on a ongoing game or anime, it's either Canon or non canon and most movies have muddled with continuity (DBZ before Battle of God's and Frieza's movie, Sailor Moon, Naruto before the Last, Digimon (the movies that aren't the Adventure ONAs,) the list goes on. I know most don't like that Chi is 'worked to Canon' but if a KH movie is ever green lighted, it needs a good place without being non canon for the sake of non canon.

gosoxtim

August 31, 2016 @ 09:09 pmOffline

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Xickin
I don't know why, but I'm okay with Disney stepping in for KH3, but not a totally hypothetical movie...huh, weird. Maybe I just want the latest Kingdom Hearts instalment to move more towards their roots, as opposed the anime direction (which I find they've ben going towards).
i get what you saying but saying no to disney on there own ip might end be a bad idea when they need to be invileved with kingdom hearts

Zettaflare

August 31, 2016 @ 09:29 pmOffline

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If I had a choice for when the movie would take place in I'd like for it to be between KH3 and the new saga. A nice post KH3 self contained adventure.

BlackOsprey

August 31, 2016 @ 09:57 pmOffline

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My initial reaction this morning was something like this:



But after having a day to process it, I can't help but wonder if this really is a good idea.

Let's be honest here. We all have our reasons for loving or enjoying KH, but there are two major aspects that are almost always brought up when anyone mentions this series: the Disney, and the gameplay. I'm just going off of my own first impressions here, but the Disney stuff wasn't appealing simply because it was Disney; I felt as though I was actually exploring the stuff of my childhood, and watching each character stay in character​ despite the darkness zombies, spiky-haired kids, and giant keys. And then, the gameplay. As well as adding to the sense of immersion and interaction, it's just fun. It's undeniably a huge reason why people kept playing the games.

The thing about movies is that they're typically hands-off visual experiences. The gameplay appeal of KH is a complete non-factor here, so everything else would have to pick up the slack. Which leads to a bunch of other concerns: the pacing, the overarching plot, the right amount of action sequences in a movie based on a game that's stuffed with fighting. Obviously, pulling this sort of thing off isn't impossible- we've got the manga and novels plus a gazillion fanworks to prove that- but having the freedom to divide so much content into episodic chapters rather than fitting it all into a typical runtime makes a pretty big difference.

I don't have any real experience in filmmaking, but it already seems hard enough to fit and pace a story that isn't being adapted from some other source.

I'd rather have no KH movie at all than one that was poorly executed and failed to represent the franchise well.

Oh yeah, and if it was a standalone story rather than a straight adaptation, you can bet that it'll be canonized and will probably turn the universe on its head while doing so.

Chuuya

August 31, 2016 @ 10:15 pmOffline

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;A;.…...
I WANT THIS TO COME TRUE!!!!!
But I can agree Osprey, with the gameplay.

FudgemintGuardian

August 31, 2016 @ 10:57 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Not in the definition of what goes into a CG film it isn't. High fidelity visuals like what we see the CG openings or the level of Disney films is nothing that can be replicated in games right now (Uncharted 4 and The Order: 1886 are the closest I've seen to it, though...prior to that was Infamous: Second Son)
I was sorta talking 'bout the FMVs and Back Cover. I just feel like...like if I watched a CG movie of KH, I would feel like I've seen it before. And seeing KH in 2D animation would be very refreshing.



Disney doesn't have a 2D animated film department anymore lol

Don't smash my heart with facts!! *Is still sad*



You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see a Kingdom Hearts film at the quality of Visual Work's





and Disney's best animated films?

I know what films you're thinking of but I'm still pointing out that 90% of Disney's best animated films are 2D~

Oracle Spockanort

August 31, 2016 @ 11:19 pmOffline

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FudgemintGuardian
I was sorta talking 'bout the FMVs and Back Cover. I just feel like...like if I watched a CG movie of KH, I would feel like I've seen it before. And seeing KH in 2D animation would be very refreshing.


Don't smash my heart with facts!! *Is still sad*[/quote]

Nah, I was griefing you. They have 2D at Disney, but not a huge department. Their film department used it recently for Moana, and their TV department is full of 2D, although a lot of it is outsourced to other studios inside and outside of the states.






8D



I know what films you're thinking of but I'm still pointing out that 90% of Disney's best animated films are 2D~



You are totally right about that. *misses 2D*

LightUpTheSky452

August 31, 2016 @ 11:36 pmOffline

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Apologies if something like this has already been said (I don't have time to go through the whole thread right now) but I think I'd be okay with two types of KH CGI movies:'

1. A movie that's a complete retelling of the first Kingdom Hearts game (because this is probably the closest we'd ever get to a beautiful complete remake of the game). Naturally, they'd have to cut out some content (Halloween Town would probably be a good choice, because it doesn't contribute that much to the plot), but I think it could work.

Cut out a few of the Disney worlds, and then maybe flesh out SRK a bit more.

And I think the movie should probably be about two hours, if not longer.

And then it can end as the first game did, but then fade to black and give us the KHII ending--where SDG have succeeded in finding Riku and the King, like Sora promised Kairi, and Sora's returned to her.

For a nice little Easter Egg, Nomura could even make Kairi look like she did in the KH1 secret ending in this scene, so that no one will get confused about if this is supposed to be canon.

(Also, I guess a KH1 movie with an alternate ending could work, too, possibly--like Sora choosing to heed Riku's final wish to go and take care of Kairi--but meh.)

2. A film that takes place between the end of the Xehanort saga and the start of the second one. Hopefully, KHIII will actually tie up every loose end imaginable, so that anything that comes after it can be a clean slate.

The movie would probably have to explain about different worlds, and the Keyblade and its role a little bit (and how SRK are chosen wielders of it, in order to protect the multiverse), but I think it could be done without too much exposition.

The plot for this would be very much simple and generic (compared to what we usually get with this franchise), perhaps with the main trio (plus MDG?) going out and finally seeing worlds together like they always wanted to, but then a Big Bad appears during the midst of it all and our heroes will have to find a way to defeat them by the end of it all.

Nothing from this film would carry over into the next saga (so people wouldn't have to pick it up in order to understand Saga 2), and it would just be a nice, simple, bonus canon little thing--that hopefully anyone could understand/enjoy even without ever playing a KH game.

And maybe we'd even have some short cameos with the other KH characters (like Aqua), though we wouldn't go into detail about who she is, exactly, or what her role in everything was. Because frankly, it really wouldn't be needed.

But yeah: these are the only two ways I could ever see a KH CG movie ever working, but what do you guys think?^^

Kagayaki

August 31, 2016 @ 11:49 pmOffline

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I doubt they'd push Donald and Goofy or Mickey aside.


Me, either, and they probably shouldn't. Everything has been said for me, but I think they'll just make references to the Disney worlds from previous games. I have an idea that maybe after KH3, it could be the link between KH3 and whatever new saga they're coming out with. Maybe a romance story where Sora and Kairi's relationship is finally resolved?

Also, what kind of audience or rating will they aim for? I personally don't like movies that are rated PG or PG-13 just for shock value and to look edgier than the original source material.

LightUpTheSky452

September 1, 2016 @ 12:04 amOffline

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Kagayaki
Maybe a romance story where Sora and Kairi's relationship is finally resolved?


That would so be my dream right there, tbh. It'll never happen, though. But I can't think of a better time to explore this idea? It shouldn't be the main focus of a film, though. But as a side element? It could work quite well, and better than it would in the games (and then people who hate the idea of it could skip it entirely and just see it as non-canon, if they so chose; but it would be a relief to get some kind of closure on this topic somewhere, yeah).

Anyway, they could maybe do a Kairi movie? About her going back to Radiant Garden--and trying to find her grandma and finally dealing with the fact that the life she lives (that she definitely loves, don't get her wrong) wasn't the one that she was supposed to lead and that Xehanort stole her intended destiny from her? (And Sora and Riku could be right there by her side, through it all.)

I've always felt like this is a topic that needs to come up in the series, but I don't really think it would fit into the games themselves very well. But for a film, maybe?

I've also often thought that Chain of Memories (Sora's side) could make a good standalone plot. They would have to change some things to make it so, of course, but I think it could work. They could even start out the movie with Naminé's drawings, as she narrates some things about Sora--like how the CoM manga did.

Oracle Spockanort

September 1, 2016 @ 12:08 amOffline

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Kagayaki
Also, what kind of audience or rating will they aim for? I personally don't like movies that are rated PG or PG-13 just for shock value and to look edgier than the original source material.


PG-13. I highly doubt PG would allow the depiction of underaged youths engaging in physical acts of violence.

TheKeybasHKey

September 1, 2016 @ 12:25 amOffline

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Making it PG-13 would make it edgy and darker... but it woulden't work. You would be just alienating the general audiance and it sounds more to me let's make it more for the fans, then for a wide range of viewers. The movie would be more watched, if you direct it to a wider audiance.

Zettaflare

September 1, 2016 @ 12:37 amOffline

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I think it could handle a PG rating. Most of the fights in KH are just against monsters made of darkness and rarely actual human beings. Also there is absolutely no blood or gore

SkeithTheTerror

September 1, 2016 @ 12:50 amOffline

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The games are rated E-10, which is the Video Game equivalent to a PG-13 rating.

Dandelion

September 1, 2016 @ 12:55 amOffline

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SkeithTheTerror
The games are rated E-10, which is the Video Game equivalent to a PG-13 rating.


T is the equivalent to a PG13 movie, E-10 is PG, and G is equivalent to E.

SkeithTheTerror

September 1, 2016 @ 12:57 amOffline

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Tinny
T is the equivalent to a PG13 movie, E-10 is PG, and G is equivalent to E.


I completely forgot T rating was a thing :eek: Whoops

WastedPenguin

September 1, 2016 @ 12:42 pmOffline

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I guess a KH movie would be pretty neet.
Also people have been wanting a KH movie since forever now, there are even some really old fanmade KH shortmovies on youtube.

Recon

September 1, 2016 @ 06:39 pmOffline

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His reasoning and attitude is impressive (his statement to say the least) because it shows how dedicated he is to fans. It's quite admirable. I would definitely watch it. Who wouldn't?

Also, does he have a twitter? Because I'm sure if fans pleaded for Kingdom Hearts movie, we just might get it..

WhinyAcademic

September 1, 2016 @ 07:50 pmOffline

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Don't even try to put it in theaters. Just make it direct to video or a Netflix exclusive, or both.

Oracle Spockanort

September 1, 2016 @ 07:52 pmOffline

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Recon
His reasoning and attitude is impressive (his statement to say the least) because it shows how dedicated he is to fans. It's quite admirable. I would definitely watch it. Who wouldn't?

Also, does he have a twitter? Because I'm sure if fans pleaded for Kingdom Hearts movie, we just might get it..


No twitter, but Square Enix monitors community hubs.

WhinyAcademic
Don't even try to put it in theaters. Just make it direct to video or a Netflix exclusive, or both.


Idk, a limited release like what Kingsglaive did would be amazing and probably would sell out immediately.

Netflix exclusive would be bad because Disney and Square Enix would be aiming for the largest reach possible.

kupo1121

September 1, 2016 @ 11:21 pmOffline

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Tinny
Kingdom Hearts isn't really designed to be a compact experience. Like, the only reason the cinematics in the remixes work is because they're part of something bigger.

A movie would have to be incredible story-wise in order to work, and that's not something Square can do alone.


I was just about to plagiarize your post Tinny and pass it off as my own because...Yes, This!...All of This!

At least what initially attracted me to KH, beyond the darn right addicting trailer scored with 'Simple & Clean' was seeing all the Disney worlds and getting to visit them. I don't know how feasible in a normal film run-time you could accomplish that without severely cutting down the number of Disney worlds you visit. Even look at the mangas, where many worlds got cut from the story (unfortunately).

Master Spockanort
Honestly my thought was that they should make the film a standalone reboot apart from the games. APZR made a great suggestion that KH1 could be adapted pretty well into a 90 minute film.


I clicked on that link, but given I don't know how to Twitter, I wanted to know if APZR fleshed out his "90-minute" idea more. I just can't imagine KH1 reduced to that runtime. Between:


[LIST]
[*]Introducing SRK
[*]Setting up the plot
[*]Introducing DG
[*]Visiting a healthy number of Disney worlds with time during each for character development (SDG learning to become a team, Riku learning his darkness, Sora and Riku conflict developing), solving the problems of the worlds themselves
[*]Multiple fight scenes in between of heartless and boss-level heartless
[*]Everything at Hollow Bastion (Maleficent being taken down, Sora and Riku battling, resolving the PoH story)
[*]Setting up the final battle at End of the World
[*]Introducing Ansem and having the epic final battle
[*]Resolution
[/LIST]

It just seems like way to much to put into 90-minutes to me...

Oracle Spockanort

September 2, 2016 @ 01:23 amOffline

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kupo1121
I clicked on that link, but given I don't know how to Twitter, I wanted to know if APZR fleshed out his "90-minute" idea more. I just can't imagine KH1 reduced to that runtime.


No, he didn't. But I can answer...I'd make the film 110 minutes, though.



Introducing SRK & Setting up the plot



These would be pretty easy to do in the first 15-20 minutes.



Introducing DG



This would happen around 20 min mark.



Visiting a healthy number of Disney worlds with time during each for character development (SDG learning to become a team, Riku learning his darkness, Sora and Riku conflict developing), solving the problems of the worlds themselves

Multiple fight scenes in between of heartless and boss-level heartless



Cut the Disney worlds. The only places that should be in the film are Destiny Islands, Traverse Town, Hollow Bastion, and End of the World. Their friendship would obviously be solidified during Hollow Bastion.



Everything at Hollow Bastion (Maleficent being taken down, Sora and Riku battling, resolving the PoH story)



Cut Maleficent. Ansem: Seeker of Darkness would be the de-facto villain of the entire film rather than Maleficent being the red herring. Have him be there egging Riku on and manipulating him.



Setting up the final battle at End of the World



This would automatically be set up with Hollow Bastion's events.



Introducing Ansem



Since Maleficent would be cut, his introduction would happen earlier in the film like when Destiny Islands is destroyed and will be more involved with Riku



and having the epic final battle & Resolution



The final 15 minutes.



It just seems like way to much to put into 90-minutes to me...



Only if you try to not cut and rewrite the story to be more compact. No Kingdom Hearts film would really include Disney worlds because honestly you can cut all of that out and just leave the classic Disney cast and get much of the same story. Just imply they exist.

Dandelion

September 2, 2016 @ 01:39 amOffline

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Noooooope, no disney worlds = no sell to me. If you're gonna put forth the effort, I'd rather have a TV show/anime/miniseries.

Cyborg009

September 2, 2016 @ 01:47 amOffline

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Tinny
If you're gonna put forth the effort, I'd rather have a TV show/anime/miniseries.


i second that idea. but im more towards an anime.

LightUpTheSky452

September 2, 2016 @ 01:59 amOffline

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If only the TV series we were supposed to get that one time hadn't been canned:/

But you know, looking back on the fact that that even existed momentarily, it doesn't seem like Disney's opposed to some sort of visual Kingdom Hearts adaptation.

And now they and Square Enix are working closer than ever...

Maybe if the two companies could get talking--and come up with some grand idea where they both work together on it (like some of you guys were talking about before)--it could actually end up happening, and we could get something really special out of it.

But it's only a pipe dream, I know.

Oracle Spockanort

September 2, 2016 @ 02:10 amOffline

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Tinny
Noooooope, no disney worlds = no sell to me. If you're gonna put forth the effort, I'd rather have a TV show/anime/miniseries.


Personally I agree, but my post was just one (bad) example of what could be done to work one game down to a film format if they really wanted to do a rebooted adaption apart from the canon games.

The series as a whole is well suited to being an animated series. Or just sticking to canon animated shorts that expand on the series rather than adapt it. I'd love to see small little adventures we could never see in the confines of the games. ;~;

But if they were really aiming for a film, this is one of the only ways I could imagine it happening.

Zettaflare

September 2, 2016 @ 02:27 amOffline

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You could always show Sora's adventures in Disney world's in a quick montage before SDG head to Hollow Bastion. It would be better than no Disney worlds at all

Dandelion

September 2, 2016 @ 02:30 amOffline

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Master Spockanort
Personally I agree, but my post was just one (bad) example of what could be done to work one game down to a film format if they really wanted to do a rebooted adaption apart from the canon games.

The series as a whole is well suited to being an animated series. Or just sticking to canon animated shorts that expand on the series rather than adapt it. I'd love to see small little adventures we could never see in the confines of the games. ;~;

But if they were really aiming for a film, this is one of the only ways I could imagine it happening.


Yeah, I don't disagree that the structure works, but noooooooooo. A series would be so good - if they were to do anything. A chance to work with different artists, and styles, and - oooooh, now I'm bummed because it's not happening

Morgenstern

September 2, 2016 @ 04:09 amOffline

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Okay I'm gonan say that a single movie probably wouldn't capture the intricacies of the franchise unless it as an adaptation of the first game or an original story.

Wit that said I think if an adaptation of the first game works out they can use it to make sequels. If that is the case then I would imagine the next movie being among the following possibilities


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[*]Movie two will be a Dual adaptation of CoM and 358/Days
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[*]In this case the worlds that would be seen are Castle Oblivion, Twilight Town and the World that Never Was. Depening on who they would want to focus on the CoM side will be either Sora or Riku's story, the latter might be a more natural fit. The plots would intersperse with each other at intervals trying to Flesh out Namine and Origination XIII. From there the Movie will end with the Climax of Days, being Roxas v. Xion and Roxas, v Riku...or it could isntead tack on the prologue form II as well
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[*]Movie two will just be a CoM adaptation, and a prime opportunity to focus on the crossover aspects.
[LIST]
[*]In this case it would be simple adaption of Sora's story with Both Reverse/Rebirth and Days being alluded too. The single world will be Castle Oblivion, but some of the other worlds will appear as the illusions Namine conjures.
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[*]Movie two will jump straight into II's plot. With the side games only being hinted at
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From there is more sequels are possible we might see Adataions of BBS and DDD with coded and X being alluded to (BBS with X references, and coded might work as a short prologue before DDD's plot) and then III will get an adaptation all to itself.

All of this of course depends heavily on a lot of variables, chief among them being...there being a movie at all and if Disney is gonna treat it as a series liek the Marvel/Star Wars series or as a standalone movie!

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EddieXG1989

September 2, 2016 @ 06:51 amOffline

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I would be so F'ing happy. :biggrin:

7th_heaven

September 2, 2016 @ 08:03 amOffline

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Does everyone remember this ?
KH3D Ultimania Staff Interviews! - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Q. What do you want to challenge yourself with in the next title?
[B]A. The art of graphics has very much evolved, and so I'd like to try producing realtime graphics in movie quality. Also, this is just a dream or a wish, but I'd like to try doing a full-length KH movie.
[/B]

Alpha Baymax

September 2, 2016 @ 08:12 amOffline

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Lulcy
I�m all for a ful CG Kingdom Hearts movie. However, instead of doing an adaptation they should do an original story, like how DISNEY�s Big Hero 6 is original and has nothing to do with MARVEL�s Big Hero 6.


Disney's Big Hero 6 had nothing to do with Marvel's Big Hero 6 in order for Disney Animation could have 100% of the copyrights to the intellectual property. But I still feel that an original story is a necessity in order to fix a bunch of complexities and retcons.

Nayru's Love

September 2, 2016 @ 08:28 amOffline

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A KH movie under the wing of Disney would be very...different, I think. Eastern-to-Western adaptations usually take a lot of liberties to modify the storytelling, especially in the writing department. In other words, writing that would cater to an Eastern understanding of the world would have to be rewritten with a Western audience in mind instead. You could argue that the narratives of the games remained mostly untouched, but a movie of Disney's competence will have a much wider audience than the games.

It's apples and oranges. A Disney produced KH movie would certainly not please everyone, but I think it could still be an objectively good movie.

Muke

September 2, 2016 @ 09:04 amOffline

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I just hope that, if the movie really happens, it won't be a f*cked up movie like DB Evolution or ATLA...

Oracle Spockanort

September 2, 2016 @ 01:02 pmOffline

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Muke
I just hope that, if the movie really happens, it won't be a f*cked up movie like DB Evolution or ATLA...


Ignoring your completely subjective feelings on some Disney films, has modern Disney created any animated films that have had objectively bad stories and poor reception? The answer to that is no, not really. They are 5 for 5 so far starting with Tangled in 2010 (and ignoring Winnie the Pooh because it reviewed well but Disney released it on Harry Potter's final film weekend so of course it was going to bomb hard).

That could definitely change, but I really don't think you have to worry about a poor adaption that just shits on the source material.

Lulcy

September 2, 2016 @ 02:07 pmOffline

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kupo1121

I clicked on that link, but given I don't know how to Twitter, I wanted to know if APZR fleshed out his "90-minute" idea more. I just can't imagine KH1 reduced to that runtime. Between:


[LIST]
[*]Introducing SRK
[*]Setting up the plot
[*]Introducing DG
[*]Visiting a healthy number of Disney worlds with time during each for character development (SDG learning to become a team, Riku learning his darkness, Sora and Riku conflict developing), solving the problems of the worlds themselves
[*]Multiple fight scenes in between of heartless and boss-level heartless
[*]Everything at Hollow Bastion (Maleficent being taken down, Sora and Riku battling, resolving the PoH story)
[*]Setting up the final battle at End of the World
[*]Introducing Ansem and having the epic final battle
[*]Resolution
[/LIST]

It just seems like way to much to put into 90-minutes to me...

The answer is simple, make an adaptation not a copy paste of KH1. Do whatever it takes so that it can work in 90 minutes, this include cutting content, modifying the flow of how the events play out (compared to the game), change focus, etc.

Grono

September 2, 2016 @ 03:03 pmOffline

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Master Spockanort
Ignoring your completely subjective feelings on some Disney films, has modern Disney created any animated films that have had objectively bad stories and poor reception? The answer to that is no, not really. They are 5 for 5 so far starting with Tangled in 2010 (and ignoring Winnie the Pooh because it reviewed well but Disney released it on Harry Potter's final film weekend so of course it was going to bomb hard).

That could definitely change, but I really don't think you have to worry about a poor adaption that just shits on the source material.


What about planes? That one was recieved pretty terribly by critics, unless you are only looking at the money it made. Even then, was it ever as high as the Cars films?

Oracle Spockanort

September 2, 2016 @ 03:04 pmOffline

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gronodonthegreat
What about planes? That one was recieved pretty terribly by critics, unless you are only looking at the money it made. Even then, was it ever as high as the Cars films?


That is DisneyToons, not Disney Animation Studios.

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kingsoraful

September 2, 2016 @ 08:02 pmOffline

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If they make a KH CG movie administered by Disney it would be the BEST time to start creating it. Especially now that they're creating live action retellings of the Disney original tails. A part of me thinks Kingdom Hearts could be the MCU for Disney cartoon properties and yes I know Marvel is owned by Disney.

This could finally get Disney promoting heavily KH which is a very successful franchise with a very passionate fanbase. If there's any company you can trust with a property it's the Disney Animation Studios, they're 5 for 5 now likely 6 for 6 when Moana comes out in November.



Do whatever it takes so that it can work in 90 minutes, this include cutting content, modifying the flow of how the events play out (compared to the game), change focus, etc.



If they make a KH movie I'm sure it will go pass the 100 minute mark, probably close to 2 hrs. It won't bore kids or adults because of all the Disney characters in the movie. Kids won't be bored because I'm sure they'll be consistently entertained by Goofy and Donald's hijinks.

LightUpTheSky452

September 2, 2016 @ 08:47 pmOffline

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Coincidentally, not too long ago, one of the more famous woman YouTubers (who talks a lot about comic books, among other things) ended up discussing the idea of a Kingdom Hearts movie. I think it's because a lot of her followers kept asking, "Where is my KH movie?" every time she reported on a new Disney live action adaptation that was in the works.

Here's a link to that video, if anyone's interested in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGo3kKCXUaQ.

But you know, if KH really is getting this mainstream (again), maybe there'd be no better time to have a KH movie:) Especially since Disney seems more on board with it than ever before.

Also, if we do get a KH1 movie, I really hope they delve into Sora's impressive character arc a whole lot. Because while it was there in the game, they kind of just glossed over it and it could have been touched on a bit better. (For those who don't know what I mean, watch this video; Frustrated Jacob explains it better than I ever could; it's at the 6:54 mark). :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxHWorrLhKk&index=39

kupo1121

September 5, 2016 @ 05:04 amOffline

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Tinny
Noooooope, no disney worlds = no sell to me. If you're gonna put forth the effort, I'd rather have a TV show/anime/miniseries.


Yeah, Kingdom Hearts seems to fit more as a TV show than most manga that get turned into animes. Not only is the style cartoonish being based on Disney, but Kingdom Hearts is almost tailor-made for the one thing most people hate about anime-adaptation: filler episodes.

The difference is, in Kingdom Hearts, filler episodes would be spent fleshing out and exploring iconic Disney worlds so it wouldn't feel as much of a unnecessary side quest as it would be getting to experience more of the worlds we know and love.

kingsoraful
If they make a KH CG movie administered by Disney it would be the BEST time to start creating it. Especially now that they're creating live action retellings of the Disney original tails. A part of me thinks Kingdom Hearts could be the MCU for Disney cartoon properties and yes I know Marvel is owned by Disney.


I know this pure personal hypothesizing, but I've always wondered about Disney doing a live-action Kingdom Hearts film down the line utilizing all of their live-action films (once we have enough) to connect them and make them one huge universe akin to Marvel's and Star Wars'?

I know it's got a less than 10% chance of ever happening, but 1 big problem I see with a CG (or cartoon) adaptation of Kingdom Hearts is utilizing the original character designs to further the stories of characters that many people treasure. I think many fans would get defensive over tampering with these iconic characters. For example, people feel more attachment (and perhaps protective) to the original animated Cinderella design than they do to Lily James as Cinderella. Plus, it'd just be plain cool to see a live-action version drop into Beast's Castle and revisit Emma Watson as Belle for all of 20-30 minutes. I'm gonna back and dream now, where the finances of hiring Emma Watson for 30 minutes don't matter.

Nayru's Love

September 5, 2016 @ 06:00 amOffline

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kupo1121
I'm gonna back and dream now, where the finances of hiring Emma Watson for 30 minutes don't matter.


ffs did someone order Cate Blanchett and Angelina Jolie

Kounelli

September 6, 2016 @ 02:33 pmOffline

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If a Kingdom Hearts film were ever to be made, it is going to have to be a film tailored more towards fans than general audiences. Back Cover is a good start, and if SE were to test waters with it, then they could get most of their reception from there.

Considering Disney's busy schedule with their future productions (Frozen 2, WIR 2, Giants, Big Hero 6 series, etc.) I doubt they will be able to contribute much of their staff to animating it, and would most likely give it all to Square for that. I can see them giving their insights however and then distributing the film afterwards. KH has received more spotlight lately, so I don't see Disney just turning a blind eye to the possibility of earning profit from merchandising the film (which will be big if successful, knowing Disney's toy and merch record).

As for the content of said film however, I doubt they could pull off a full adaptation. There is too much content to cover, too many worlds to consider, and then the subject of licensing for worlds such as Halloween Town and Deep Jungle. There are also too many fans to try and please, and knowing how sour the fandom can be, a good chunk of them will not be pleased and continuously complain.

A standalone film based on events from the story that takes place outside the game's timeline might be best. After all, that's what they have done with Advent Children and Kingslgaive, and I honestly feel that works.

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