SPOILERS: Kingdom Hearts Re:coded Secret Movie!
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- Published on October 2, 2014 @ 08:52 am
- Written by Joey
The secret ending added to Kingdom Hearts Re:coded has finally been uploaded! Thanks to なかじまちゃんねる 2nd, you can view the almost 2 minute long secret ending.
Thanks to Goldpanner for translating the scene!
A Will That Is Passed On
Braig: This was a pain to set up, but it looks like it went according to plan.Braig: If our boss Xemnas isn't here, that means it's already started, hasn't it?
YMX: Yeah.
Braig: Man, Grandpa Xehanort sure is scary.
Braig: How many steps ahead can he see?
Braig: Plus, I don't actually really understand what his true goal is.
Braig: Do *you* even understand your own self?
YMX: The target I ought to head towards, my destiny, is decided.
Braig: In other words, you still don't really understand, do you?
YMX: Most Keyblade Masters inherit a Keyblade that has been passed down.
YMX: This long history has seen the number of apprentices grow.
YMX: The number of passed down Keyblades has also grown, but,
YMX: among them, there is one blade older than all others...
YMX: The very Keyblade that Master Xehanort wields.
YMX: It's a will that is passed on.
YMX: I don't have it in my own hands yet.
Braig: I *see*.
Braig: So that, too, is connected to the Keyblade War, then.
Braig: Oh well. Guess I'll head towards my own goals.
Braig: Then, who will I take with me?
Edit: The other new scene has been uploaded thanks to ftrwrwbg. Thanks to Kazr10 for translating the following scene!
Maleficent: I see
Pete: What is it?
Maleficent: I wasn't aware because of the term "Data World"
Pete: Huh?
Maleficent: The Foretellers' Text
Maleficent: There was once a book with that title.
Maleficent: It contains records of the future, as though as it has seen it itself.
Pete: Heh. If something like that really exist, you can easily do what you want with the worlds.
Maleficent: By re-enacting the events foretold in that book, you can even extract the people and power in that written future.
Pete: Worlds and people from a book?
Pete: Now that is too much of an exaggeration. Seems more like a fairy tale. I shouldn't have kept my hopes up.
Maleficent: Yes. Just like a fairy tale.
Maleficent: But isn't a "Data World" just the same?
Maleficent: The journals they have used to make their records. This may have a connection to the Foretellers' Text that is said to have existed in the past.
Pete: Now this is getting interesting!
Maleficent: That "Data", it seems that I have to obtain it.
Pete: Hahahaha
COMMENTS
Woooooo!!!! Even if I understand nothing I'm feeling so enthusiastic!!!
Exactly me too! I heard 'Keyblade Master' a few times but otherwise can't wait for the translations as always!
Hmm, now I'm curious, both Braig and YMX are in the present as Axel is still wearing his cloak along with Saix while the others are wearing their outfits when they were complete. I wish I knew what they were talking about.
Thanks for the video, can't wait to watch it with subs.
he said i choose S lol saix
Or Sora xD
However we see that Braig is returned as himself and maybe the boss in KH3D is a time travelled version of Xigbar!
Translations are up, thanks to Goldpanner
true maybe sora but braig meant the ones in the room the only one disappeared is saix tho it could possibly be sora since he didnt complete what he said sounds mystery
Why does it sound like YMX is going to betray Grandpa Xehanort?
Why does it sound like YMX is going to betray Grandpa Xehanort?
Man, getting screwed by your past self, that sounds like something he do.
its like he and braig planing something maybe YX wants MX keyblade
its like he and braig planing something maybe YX wants MX keyblade
Well in BS, he wanted a keyblade so wanted to defeat Terra to claim his, aso maybe wants MX's?
true he wants a keyblade cant use no name with out MX help but YX said something about MX keyblade is it special or connected to the war?
Ahahaha! XD
Oh, Braig, if Master Xehanort ever heard half the things you say, you`d be lucky to be alive right now.
0:20
"Xehanort`s "grandpa" is so scary! I wonder where he is." XD
i wonder were his gone to since his nobody and heartless got destroyed he should be back in the real world but we only saw him in sora dreams
Why is he Braig here, but Xigbar in 3D?
Why does Young Xehanort seem to imply he's meant to inherit Master Xehanort's Keyblade [from him]?
How does this connect to the Keyblade War?
What is going on here?
I was hoping the new scenes would bring revelations, not questions. ;_;
you forget ansem turned him nobody again by stabbing him in 3d right?
you forget ansem turned him nobody again by stabbing him in 3d right?
That was Apprentice Xehanort, so that scene took place like, a year after BbS.
This scene happens before Lea and the others wake up in 3D.
i dont know since xemnas and ASOD got destroyed
Apprentice Xehanort should be the one who come back cause its terranort heartless and nobody i think 3D secne was the one we saw in recoded secret movie or guess im wrong
Just another stupid scene showing off how ambivalent and mysterious the villains are.
I never expected too much anyway, Re:Coded the movie will be fine on it's own.
i think it shows that there well be re dream drop distance lol theres to many thing wrong with DDD first only one secret boss 2nd lack of the worlds and keyblade and riku had more bosses xigbar should have his battle with sora
The writing is seriously stupid and makes little sense as natural conversations go. It's ok to be cryptic but...
YMX: I don't have it in my own hands yet. Braig: I *see*. Braig: So that, too, is connected to the Keyblade War, then. |
Where did he get that from for example?
Btw, bid we know that Axel and Saix were created at the same time as the apprentices?
While the scene has many similarities with the one in 3D, it has many differences and inaccuracies so it's hard to point out when it happened. It could be right before Braig gets stabbed but not everything adds up..
I am seriously thinking this scene will end in the eventual 3D Final Mix HD which will flesh out some parts of the story.
This scene makes me think of that theory we had going around that Xehanort is the 6th apprentice of the Foreteller's Master.
Btw, bid we know that Axel and Saix were created at the same time as the apprentices?
I think we more or less assumed that was the case, considering the circumstance. Lea and Isa were always trying to sneak into the castle; suppose the one time they finally succeeded was when they regretted it more than ever.
but i heard in other topic that DDD wont have final mix treatment guess its re DDD
but i heard in other topic that DDD wont have final mix treatment guess its re DDD
That was never confirmed really.
i know but i meant the topic i heard was in this website i only read what people said but i wont believe just like that
I think we more or less assumed that was the case, considering the circumstance. Lea and Isa were always trying to sneak into the castle; suppose the one time they finally succeeded was when they regretted it more than ever.
And the Ansem Reports did say that there were "volunteers" for the "Darkness of the Heart" experiments.
I think it's pretty interesting how the silver-haired character ended up being YMX. Most folks only considered either Apprentice Xehanort or Terranort, and then this guy shows up (more Ben Diskin, yes please).
The relationship between young and old Xehanort is so weird though.
So only this movie is up so far? The other one with Maleficent and Pete isn't anywhere yet?
So only this movie is up so far? The other one with Maleficent and Pete isn't anywhere yet?
I haven't found it yet.
lol wired
relationship its like YX betraying the old coot from the way he tallks in this cutscene then what about MX keyblade i know his original keyblade is no name not the the one he using in bbs still dont know the name but its special keyblade the one his using now is connected to the war sounds
intresting
I think it's pretty interesting how the silver-haired character ended up being YMX. Most folks only considered either Apprentice Xehanort or Terranort, and then this guy shows up (more Ben Diskin, yes please).
The relationship between young and old Xehanort is so weird though.
Would you grow up to Master Xehanort? But it's odd how he will betray himself.
The sixth's foreteller...THE SIXTH FORETELLER. The one who did not receive a tome with the Foreteller's Script within it. They are one of the masters we are unfamiliar with but we know there is a motif with the Foreteller's Keyblades. So...This Keyblade that is dirt old must be...
The sixth's foreteller...THE SIXTH FORETELLER. The one who did not receive a tome with the Foreteller's Script within it. They are one of the masters we are unfamiliar with but we know there is a motif with the Foreteller's Keyblades. So...This Keyblade that is dirt old must be...
EXACTLY THIS AHHHHH
Nomura, you can't hide it from us! We knoooooow~
Would you grow up to Master Xehanort? But it's odd how he will betray himself.
Feels like the older is screwing around with the younger and the younger is being a rebellious teen and giving his older self the middle finger.
Has Nomura explained what exactly "Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts" mean?
Probably the HD collections. To remix the games and make them connect together through these bundles.
EXACTLY THIS AHHHHH
Nomura, you can't hide it from us! We knoooooow~
Feels like the older is screwing around with the younger and the younger is being a rebellious teen and giving his older self the middle finger.
So in a nutshell, they are trying to get rid of each other. MX is using YMX and YMX is trying to go against MX.
The more I think about everything from 3D onwards, the more my head hurts.. there are too many interpretations of the secret video when you combine it with 3D.
Probably the HD collections. To remix the games and make them connect together through these bundles.
Cool, thanks.
Welp, it made no sense, like a true secret ending, big surprise, show's over, citizens.
Welp, this all but confirms DDD HD. I mean, you can't end Re:coded like that and then go straight to KH3. Unless they summarize it, but given how DDD was in the credits, I think it's safe to say that we may be getting a DDD announcement at Jump Festa.
i think its obvious xehanorts keyblade is the same as the sixth foretellers since it has an animal insignia on it along with the eye of darkness. Imo eracus and xehanort had a master who inherited the keyblade and then he passed it to xehanort something thats probably been happening for centuries. YX wont neet to betray MH because he too will inherit it eventually .
i think its obvious xehanorts keyblade is the same as the sixth foretellers since it has an animal insignia on it along with the eye of darkness. Imo eracus and xehanort had a master who inherited the keyblade and then he passed it to xehanort something thats probably been happening for centuries. YX wont neet to betray MH because he too will inherit it eventually .
but its obvious his planing something he wants to wield his own keyblade but he cant cuz MX the only reason he can wield one
Maybe this isn't a direct follow up to the DDD scene, I was thinking it could possibly be showing us when the "sombodies" are waking up. Which would explain why Braig is Braig and not Xigbar, and why he says Xemnas is gone so "it has started"; aka MX becoming a whole person again. It would also explain why Lea and Isa are in their cloaks, and perhaps Braig carries Isa off before the rest of them wake up, since I know he wasn't there when Lea awoke in DDD.
Maybe this isn't a direct follow up to the DDD scene, I was thinking it could possibly be showing us when the "sombodies" are waking up. Which would explain why Braig is Braig and not Xigbar, and why he says Xemnas is gone so "it has started"; aka MX becoming a whole person again. It would also explain why Lea and Isa are in their cloaks, and perhaps Braig carries Isa off before the rest of them wake up, since I know he wasn't there when Lea awoke in DDD.
That's what the comment in Famitsu refers to; how the scene takes place before Lea and the others wake up in KH3D.
i think its obvious xehanorts keyblade is the same as the sixth foretellers since it has an animal insignia on it along with the eye of darkness. Imo eracus and xehanort had a master who inherited the keyblade and then he passed it to xehanort something thats probably been happening for centuries. YX wont neet to betray MH because he too will inherit it eventually .
Except we know that their Master was Light-obsessed, just like Eraqus.
If Xehanort's Keyblade is the 6th's not-Foreteller's, that could imply that the original being has been prolonging his life for years by taking over the bodies of countless individuals, just like what he had done with Terra.
But of course this is entirely speculative!
Interesting. It looks like MX's keyblade is related to the sixth foreteller. What if MX is actually like another Terra that the sixth foreteller used?
Didn't think we'd get this so soon.
Well, I was wrong about it being an extension of DDD's beginning scene, but...now I'm just confused by this. Braig looks like he did in BBS but I would assume when recompleted he'd look like Xigbar. So...what about the Xigbar in DDD? To many questions...
So Xehanort is the Sixth Foreteller, well, the Keyblade belonged to the Sixth anyway.
I think I just need some time to soak this scene in.
That's what the comment in Famitsu refers to; how the scene takes place before Lea and the others wake up in KH3D.
Except we know that their Master was Light-obsessed, just like Eraqus.
If Xehanort's Keyblade is the 6th's not-Foreteller's, that could imply that the original being has been prolonging his life for years by taking over the bodies of countless individuals, just like what he had done with Terra.
But of course this is entirely speculative!
and that means master xehanort was just another puppet just like everybody else was and we don't know what the orginal being looks like
and that means master xehanort was just another puppet just like everybody else was and we don't know what the orginal being looks like
For all we know, he was a willing participant. I wouldn't be so quick as to think he's just a helpless victim.
For all we know, he was a willing participant. I wouldn't be so quick as to think he's just a helpless victim.
Didn't think we'd get this so soon.
Well, I was right about it being an extension of DDD's beginning scene, but...I didn't think I'd be so confused by this. Braig looks like he did in BBS but I would assume when recompleted he'd look like Xigbar. So...what about the Xigbar in DDD? To many questions...
So Xehanort is the Sixth Foreteller, well, the Keyblade belonged to the Sixth anyway.
I think I just need some time to soak this scene in.
It wouldnt surprise me to be honest. Ever since he possessed terra in bbs, I had this theory that his heart is from someone in the war and has been passing his heart down ever since. But if this is true, why would the heart or spirit per say choose this era to act now?
It wouldnt surprise me to be honest. Ever since he possessed terra in bbs, I had this theory that his heart is from someone in the war and has been passing his heart down ever since. But if this is true, why would the heart or spirit per say choose this era to act now?
It wouldnt surprise me to be honest. Ever since he possessed terra in bbs, I had this theory that his heart is from someone in the war and has been passing his heart down ever since. But if this is true, why would the heart or spirit per say choose this era to act now?
Because the pieces are lining up from what was foretold by the Foreteller's Script. Maybe Xehanort was the only vessel/willing participant that has gotten this close to recreating the War.
It will be up to Sora and his friends to put and end to this once and for all.
do you guys believe the hearts of the orginal five fortellers may also transfer to other people like for example the
[FONT=sans-serif]Vulpeus Foreteller hearts was transfer into kairi?[/FONT]
do you guys believe the hearts of the orginal five fortellers may also transfer to other people like for example the
[FONT=sans-serif]Vulpeus Foreteller hearts was transfer into kairi?[/FONT]
No .
yeah if that the case i wonder what happened to the orginal five fortellers/lost masters?
Braig (speaking for most fans): This is fun, but I have noooo idea what's going.
YX: My destiny is set for the Keyblade.
Braig: Uh huh, and I see you have no idea what's going on either.
It's like Braig also cannot wait for KH3 to figure out where everything is going.
I subtitled it with actual subtitles for anybody who wants to watch it without the annotations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i-mgyJG3Q
yeah if that the case i wonder what happened to the orginal five fortellers/lost masters?
They most likely perished during the Keyblade War. My memory's a bit fuzzy, but I remember it was said that only children survived the war and their light rebuilt the worlds. Pardon me if I'm mistaken, though.
Ok, so I was wrong about it being AX, but who could've possibly saw that coming! XD
But srsly, nobody believed me when I said it was right before the scene from DDD with Lea... lol, oh well, nbd I was wrong about parts of it it anyways...
I'm just a little confused, if Lea and Ienzo and the others all went back to the age they were when they died, then why is Braig so young? I mean it's not like they haven't reversed, or prevented aging before *coughVentuscoughAquacoughcough* but still, I felt that Xigbar was more threatening than Braig, so I don't know why they'd go back to his less scary model. Also, as someone has already pointed out, why is Xigbar in 3D if Braig was already alive and well? Could Xehanort possibly be planning to use both the nobodies and the somebodies some of his vessels? Is that even possible? O_o?
I'm just confused as to why Braig is so young, and why YX is even there. I saw the foreteller thing coming as soon as I read the theory about it on the forums, but I'd never dreamed they'd tease at that so soon.
Interesting, this gives me a lot to think about...
They most likely perished during the Keyblade War. My memory's a bit fuzzy, but I remember it was said that only children survived the war and their light rebuilt the worlds. Pardon me if I'm mistaken, though.
then what is six person follower doing then if knows the other five followers no longer exist but wants the power from the "tome of prophecy"
As you see, the video ends with Young Xehanort answering Braig's question of who he should take with him. YX seems to be about to answer with a name starting with S before the video ends. My guess is that he either answers "Sora" or "Saix." If it is the latter, however, that would explain Lea eventually waking up to find that Braig and Isa are both missing. If it's Sora, that, too, would make sense since he is pursued as the 13th vessel in Dream Drop Distance.
Either way, it really looks like Young Xehanort is acting as some double agent here. Not only has he been gathering up the Nobody forms of Organization XIII throughout time, but it looks like he's also interacting with their restored human forms as well, perhaps for his own purposes.
It really seems like what SENA told Ben Diskin to do when reading for YX (i.e. to play him as though he was unsure about whether or not he wants to become that future version of himself) is coming into play here.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if YX ended up betraying MX. We know how Nomura loves to play off of Sora and Xehanort's similarities and differences to each other. And whereas Sora's completely against the other incarnations of himself suffering and sacrificing themselves for him (and actually wants them to have the chance to live their own lives), Xehanort would be the one to screw himself over, so to speak. xD
And it really is sounding more and more like MX is somehow the sixth foreteller. Which I actually predicted a while ago--in the one thread where we were trying to guess the thirteen Darknesses' identities before any of this Chi stuff became so relevant. And frankly, I don't know how to feel about it all. Hmm...
If it is true, though (and it probably is), it's probably through all of Xehanort or whoever's crazy actions that they created their equal and opposite in Sora. Kind of like how Voldermort caused the prophecy to come true when he tried to kill Harry, and in doing so made certain that he'd be his undoing (since he unknowingly made Harry a horcrux who could see into his mind and whatnot).
Also... I'd forgotten how confusing DDD was until this scene. My god. And it just seems to get more confusing the more they add to it. It's the first KH game that I really can't figure out, even when I think about it a lot. -sigh- And I'm worried about what they'd do with a 3DFM and KHIII will make it even more of a head scratcher and ridiculous (I definitely hope III's not like that). IDK.
Chi better get localized now, that's all I have to say.
So, Xehanort got his actual keyblade from another "seeker", who got it from another "seeker" ....... going as far back as the 6th foreteller?
This also seems to be a common practice amongst retiring keyblade masters (as long as the keyblade is ok with it I assume?), as Eraqus inherited master keeper from their master, Aqua inherited it from Eraqus, and Mickey inherited star seeker from Yen Sid.
Braig seems to have his own agenda, but YX just comes off as impatient to get his hands on a keyblade. He also will gain nothing from betraying himself ... right?
A lot to ponder on ... I'm satisfied!
Except we know that their Master was Light-obsessed, just like Eraqus.
Really?i didnt know that.In that case he could have had another keyblade till he wandered off and "someone" gave him his current one ... you know like how aqua inherited Master keeper.YX says something like that in the video
" Most keyblade masters inherit a keyblade that has been passed down", which could imply that star seeker was once yen sids keyblade too.
If Xehanort's Keyblade is the 6th's not-Foreteller's, that could imply that the original being has been prolonging his life for years by taking over the bodies of countless individuals, just like what he had done with Terra.
But of course this is entirely speculative!
In the video YX says that MX's keyblade is older than others he specifically states "It's a will that is passed on"
and that left me thinking who's will is past on and how exactly.The will that is passed on is probably the 6th not foretellers and ofcourse the keyblade comes with it .That ofcourse means the 6th not foreteller is probably long dead and others have been doing his job for him(although i like your theory about possessing bodies to stay alive ).
Also about YX ploting against MX , he states in the video "the target i ought to head towards,my destiny,is decided" which could possibly mean everything that has happend in the current timeline will happen in YX's timeline too.Alas the will shall be passed on to YH too.
Braig (speaking for most fans): This is fun, but I have noooo idea what's going.
YX: My destiny is set for the Keyblade.
Braig: Uh huh, and I see you have no idea what's going on either.
It's like Braig also cannot wait for KH3 to figure out where everything is going.
Ace: We have come!
Noctis: It's been a long time coming... Almost there
Braig: I haven't a clue what's going on, will KHIII just come out already?
X'D
[video=youtube;7RXWYiOeMKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXWYiOeMKA[/video]
Fandub. It's surprisingly good.
I knew it. I knew something was up ever since I realized that MX's Keyblade was still nameless and fitted with the Foreteller's set. I wonder if the ram keyblade was passed down from a Seeker or chose MX because of how interested he was with the Keyblade War, probably the former.
Actually, it's pretty bad
DAE Xemnas is a body-snatcher? lmao
I wondered if there's a deeper reason why Xehanort picked his members for the organisation
demyx, luxord, marluxia, Larxene have hardly any past history.
and zexion was only a child with a missing history of losing his parents.
what if these 5 have some sort of connection / Inheritence to do with the 5 foretellers and the objects they acquired.
I wondered if there's a deeper reason why Xehanort picked his members for the organisation
demyx, luxord, marluxia, Larxene have hardly any past history.
and zexion was only a child with a missing history of losing his parents.
what if these 5 have some sort of connection / Inheritence to do with the 5 foretellers and the objects they acquired.
Ienzo/Zexion is part of the original 6 founding members of Organization XIII. He was the one who persuaded Ansem the Wise to allow them to create the secret laboratory and proceed with experiments on the heart.
Who knows about the other four though.
[video=youtube;7RXWYiOeMKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXWYiOeMKA[/video]
Fandub. It's surprisingly good.
Damn, that was fast!
There seems to be a theme going on.
Ace: We have come!
Noctis: It's been a long time coming... Almost there
Braig: I haven't a clue what's going on, will KHIII just come out already?
X'D
It's so true.
Y'know Braig should guide us in an official abridged version of Kingdom Hearts.
Ienzo/Zexion is part of the original 6 founding members of Organization XIII. He was the one who persuaded Ansem the Wise to allow them to create the secret laboratory and proceed with experiments on the heart.
Who knows about the other four though.
yes, he was raised by the other org members / apprentices after his past but I've learnt now after playing the games that some thing's don't get mentioned unless they have some sort of relevance sometime down the line, especially with him having more cutscene time than before.
Not sure if this is the right place to post this but here's the new scene with Maleficent and pete.
[video=youtube;FisqgT51YXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisqgT51YXc[/video]
go through the whole pages and i have no ideas what i am doing ???
[video=youtube;7RXWYiOeMKA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RXWYiOeMKA[/video]
Fandub. It's surprisingly good.
Not sure if this is the right place to post this but here's the new scene with Maleficent and pete.
[video=youtube;FisqgT51YXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisqgT51YXc[/video]
*throws rose petals*
Now, anyone up for translating the thing? :P
*throws rose petals*
Now, anyone up for translating the thing? :P
Kaz just finished translating it! :D
Maleficent: I see Pete: What is it? Maleficent : I wasn't aware because of the term " Data World"
: The Foretellers' Text
: There was once a book with that title.
: It contains records of the future, as though as if it has seen the future itself.
: By re-enacting the events foretold in that book, you can even extract the people and power from that written future.
: Yes. Just like a fairy tale.
: But isn't a " Data World" just the same?
: The journals they have used to make their records. This may have a connection to the Foretellers' Text that is said to have existed in the past.
: That "Data", it seems that I have to obtain it.
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| you can even extract the people and power in that written future. |
Hahahahahahaha fuck it i quit
My mind can't function properly now to get the phrasing right. It is more like re-enacting the events and even the people and power foretold in it will be, you know, something....
Follow suit, really appear, something........5.30am is not doing me any good...
Well, they did a good job connecting coded and 3D. And after seeing the translated scene between malificent and pete everything is starting to click now!
The beginning scene for Dream Drop Distance! It was a foreshadowing, the books in that scene must have been the foretellers books, which means the starting plot for KH3 is them following the story in the books to find Aqua and Ventus possibly.
Edit: I have no idea if it worked or not, I am not used to this type of forum interface XD
| Maleficent: The journals they have used to make their records. This may have a connection to the Foretellers' Text that is said to have existed in the past. |
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh! Does that mean if they get the Tome, they could also use Mickey's machine?
Yeah what? This is way more confusing/a mind diddly to me than the other scene to be honest...
All of this chi stuff is getting me so excited xD
I believe the appropriate expression is "I can't even."
I'm so happy Maleficent that will become more relevant!
Thanks Kaz! Now I am just waiting for someone to explain/make a theory that makes sense ;)
Yeah what? This is way more confusing/a mind diddly to me than the other scene to be honest...
This.
Kingdom Hearts χ's mythology is more exciting than I thought at first but it worries my how much complexity it would add to an already convoluted story.
At least we have more insight to Maleficent's ambitions in DDD and presumably KH3 now. That had been bugging me for like 2 years :P
This.
Kingdom Hearts χ's mythology is more exciting than I thought at first but it worries my how much complexity it would add to an already convoluted story.
At least we have more insight to Maleficent's ambitions in DDD and presumably KH3 now. That had been bugging me for like 2 years :P
I believe the appropriate expression is "I can't even."
I'm so happy Maleficent that will become more relevant!
I am too. She may actually return to her KH1 self. I'm actually really looking forward to her plans know, and how they will clash with xehanort's
So the Datascape just became relevant again. I'm hoping for a localized version of Chi now, seeing how important it has become. Everything really is coming together for KH3, the only major hole is the story of BBSV2, which we may get in a condensed form. KH3 is going to have a ton of plot threads that I want to see covered, hopefully they can give adequate time to them all.
Kingdom Hearts χ's mythology is more exciting than I thought at first but it worries my how much complexity it would add to an already convoluted story.
I feel like it all made perfect sense until they tried to incorporate the Datascape. Then it got needlessly complicated.
cold you just imagine guys if the book was real and people got there hand on it
So the book and pages in the 3D opening CGI were a bit of a foreshadowing to the Foreteller's Text? Considering almost every Keyblade wielder in the series is plucked out of it, maybe Mickey will get his hands on it in 3.
Personally I don't think Maleficent can be relevant again. They have spent many games turning her into a cyber witch hag with no real purpose and a weird obsession with computers (really?) - she is just there for comic relief. Whatever she has done post KH1 pales in comparison to Xehanort (who still seems dangerous, unpredictable and really powerful) and I can't see how she would become anything more than the side villain she was in KH2.
Personally I don't think Maleficent can be relevant again. They have spent many games turning her into a cyber witch hag with no real purpose and a weird obsession with computers (really?) - she is just there for comic relief. Whatever she has done post KH1 pales in comparison to Xehanort (who still seems dangerous, unpredictable and really powerful) and I can't see how she would become anything more than the side villain she was in KH2.
She doesn't have to be as major as xehanort, but she can still be a threat in her own right. She could hinder his plans with the datascape and her recently revealed knowledge of the fortellers. Also, she could always form a temporary alliance with Sora in order to get him out of the way. I just REALLY want her to be redeemed and her actually knowing about the foretellers could make that possible. Its not too late.
I think there was an interview where Nomura said that YMX may not want to grow up to be the man he sees. Furthermore with Nomura saying he doesn't want KH3 to start with something everyone already knows do you think we'll start with new characters for KH3? We really haven't seen any other Keyblade wielders and I think they are gonna be important in the coming stories. Maybe descendants of the other foretellers? I doubt their keyblades have been truly lost.
So the book and pages in the 3D opening CGI were a bit of a foreshadowing to the Foreteller's Text? Considering almost every Keyblade wielder in the series is plucked out of it, maybe Mickey will get his hands on it in 3.
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT WTH AHHHHHH
can they really stop the prophecy from happening or no whatever prophecy that was fortold will happen?
Wait, wait... so much stuff emerged when I was asleep! So in first glance, it seems that the Tome of Prophecies and the Datascape is related to one another?
I see nothing else but the possibility that someone will indeed get the tome and decode it, who as stated before could be Mickey. Food for thought: if this is true, could this be an explanation as to why Mickey, Donald, and Goofy were seen in Daybreak Town?
ANGUIS WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE DOING OR UP TO
lol im still confused about xehanort in 3D that he know everything about was gone happen in the future but what about fighting terra MX didnt know he well lose to LS or get send to radiant garden by the explosion but he was going to ansem the wise to pretend his in apprentice
Ethy actually reminded me of the KH3D opening that there are 5 books that various characters emerged from in the KH3D opening, right? Aqua, Terra, Ven, Roxas, and then Donald and Goofy from the final book. Matches perfectly with the number of Tomes of Prophecy.
I also keep thinking back to what Xehanort said in BBS:
"I swore I would survive...and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War!"
You know, that didn't really make much sense when we first heard it because he was born in the aftermath of the war. The only way it would otherwise would be if he were present in the original.
the ones came out of the book 5 people and sora and riku thats 7 G.O.L i think kairi well be useless again lol and about xehanort since he can travel time he can see his old past and the future and what do you think of MX keyblade since we saw in this video that its special BTw how did it unlock MX heart is it like that keyblade who unlock hearts in KH1 or because its special
My mind hole has been blown.
I don't think the idea behind the foreteller's tome or the datascape is too complex. they probably more or less work like the 100 acre wood. essentially, books so powerful that they have become worlds of their own. much like castle oblivion the datascape, which is essentially jimminies journal, also allows access to the memories. and the foretellers tome gives insight into what can happen. its possible that by digitizing it, you can bring something out, or merely possesing it can allow that to happen. it doesnt seem like anyone has one though. xehanort probably only has fragments of it.
speaking of which, i feel that he may have found the 6ths keyblade in the keyblade graveyard. its possible that he may have gotten it from another master but that feels somewhat strange. if he ran into it and it sorta just "spoke" to him id feel more natural to me.
and braig being there may just be because he was with YX as he was collecting Xehanorts incarnations. so braig and xigbar being two seperate members of the new 13 is possible.
the ones came out of the book 5 people and sora and riku thats 7 G.O.L i think kairi well be useless again lol and about xehanort since he can travel time he can see his old past and the future and what do you think of MX keyblade since we saw in this video that its special BTw how did it unlock MX heart is it like that keyblade who unlock hearts in KH1 or because its special
i think kairi role is to protect the other princess because master xehanort will go after them if doesn't succed in his other plan
i think kairi role is to protect the other princess because master xehanort will go after them if doesn't succed in his other plan
i dont think he well go after them again but might be possible
i dont think he well go after them again but might be possible
Why wouldn't he go after them? If they're dead, it would make his plans a hell of a lot easier.
Ethy actually reminded me of the KH3D opening that there are 5 books that various characters emerged from in the KH3D opening, right? Aqua, Terra, Ven, Roxas, and then Donald and Goofy from the final book. Matches perfectly with the number of Tomes of Prophecy.
Yess...YES! Wow this would be an awesome foreshadowing if true.
I haven't gotten a chance to read the previous comments yet since I'm at work, so I apologize in advance if I'm repeating something already said.
I believe MXs key blade is the 6th apprentice's key blade. Also, if YX doesn't have his Key blade yet, does that mean he's plotting to steal it/inherit somehow?
well the way YX talks seems like betrayal since he wants a keyblade and swoosh true his plan well be easy if the princess of heart dead but his plan now to focus on the 13 xehanorts and the X blade and maybe the 13X fuse with MX and he become invinssible
well the way YX talks seems like betrayal since he wants a keyblade and swoosh true his plan well be easy if the princess of heart dead but his plan now to focus on the 13 xehanorts and the X blade and maybe the 13X fuse with MX and he become invinssible
I swear, Nomura's plot holes are easier to figure out than this post. :confused:
You know, I really like the idea about the Datascape, Journal, and the Tomes of Prophecy being connected. It's a natural evolution, I feel, that makes a lot of sense--seeing what we knew about these kinds of things before--unlike most of the series' twists. In fact, I sort of feel like we should have predicted this xD.
Also, I love, love, love what they're doing with Maleficent's character now. I was so irritated about her going for the Data Worlds before, since it felt so pointless and that they were just trying to keep her in the plot in some microscopic way, but now I think it's golden and that it actually feels like something she'd do.
Anyway, let us all give a round of applause to the mastermind behind this all, Nomura, who I've doubted and belittled way too much. Sure he doesn't always tell the story in the best way possible--and some things we could've done without, probably--but it takes a real genius to weave a story together like this together. Wow. My hat goes off to you, Nomura-san.
My only concern now is just how they're going to fit all of this into III in a good way, like some others have said, and I also don't like the idea that if you recreate the events from the book you can bring the people in it back to life?
I thought the only way to come back in KH was to go to "sleep", and then have someone have the Key to Return Hearts or something. This just seems like another way to save people, and I don't really like that. This series has enough of a problem all ready with its characters not staying dead, so--
Also... Chi so needs to be localized now. No doubt about that, if we're expected to understand everything in III, anyway.
And OMG. Re:Coded is so important now--and actually was all along--ahh! I'll never doubt you again, Re:Coded. I promise.
I swear, Nomura's plot holes are easier to figure out than this post. :confused:
those just my theory but since nomura man of twisting it might happen
those just my theory but since nomura man of twisting it might happen
It's not your theory. He's just saying it's difficult to read your posts because the grammar is poor, no offense.
lol nah its ok im not american english still hard for me to choose the right ansewrs
So after a while since watching both scenes, I've been thinking these scenes would have worked better back when their respective games were release instead of now. Especially the one with Braig and YX, I think. It just so easy for me to picture DDD's secret ending right at the end it zwooshes back and starts rewinding to the new scene. Where it just feels out of place in 2.5.
With the Maleficent one, it's at least with Re:Coded while the Braig and YX scene is here instead of in DDD so it kinda messes with DDD's story a tiny bit because it ruins the scene when Lea wakes up and Isa being a SoD is no longer a surprise.
I mean, maybe it's just me, but I do wanna ask ya'll if you think Braig's scene would have worked better if it was in DDD and not 2.5?
I also keep thinking back to what Xehanort said in BBS:
"I swore I would survive...and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War!"
You know, that didn't really make much sense when we first heard it because he was born in the aftermath of the war. The only way it would otherwise would be if he were present in the original.
I also keep thinking back to what Xehanort said in BBS:
"I swore I would survive...and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War!"
Do we know if that is what he says in the JP version?
i think i remember he said similar thing like english but had little changes
Ethy actually reminded me of the KH3D opening that there are 5 books that various characters emerged from in the KH3D opening, right? Aqua, Terra, Ven, Roxas, and then Donald and Goofy from the final book. Matches perfectly with the number of Tomes of Prophecy.
I also keep thinking back to what Xehanort said in BBS:
"I swore I would survive...and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War!"
You know, that didn't really make much sense when we first heard it because he was born in the aftermath of the war. The only way it would otherwise would be if he were present in the original.
I put that in my spoiler as well, but I guess tagging it wasn't necessary XD. I could see them using the story itself as a guide to find Aqua and Ventus at the beginning of three
could the tomes also have somehing like elselike show you how to get key of return hearts
So after a while since watching both scenes, I've been thinking these scenes would have worked better back when their respective games were release instead of now. Especially the one with Braig and YX, I think. It just so easy for me to picture DDD's secret ending right at the end it zwooshes back and starts rewinding to the new scene. Where it just feels out of place in 2.5.
With the Maleficent one, it's at least with Re:Coded while the Braig and YX scene isn't in DDD so it kinda messes with DDD's story a tiny bit because it ruins the scene when Lea wakes up and Isa being a SoD is no longer a surprise.
I mean, maybe it's just me, but I do wanna ask ya'll if you think Braig's scene would have worked better if it was in DDD and not 2.5?
I agree, I feel bad for anyone who hasn't played DDD and is jumping into these collections and happens to unlock these scenes or runs across them on YT. Only make sense for those of us who had played all previous titles but assuming those who would put forth the effort to unlock the secret scenes would've played the other titles.
Pretty sure that's an accurate translation, and it is a mind blower.
"I swore I would survive...and be there to see what awaited beyond the Keyblade War!"
You know, that didn't really make much sense when we first heard it because he was born in the aftermath of the war. The only way it would otherwise would be if he were present in the original.
I just remembered about this! Man, this caught me by surprise...
If I remember correctly, many of us initially thought that it meant that by transferring his heart to Terra's body, Master Xehanort would escape death from old age to witness and survive the Keyblade War that he was about to recreate, right? With the plethora of never-before-known information we currently possess, what you say about the possibility that Xehanort might have been present in the original Keyblade War becomes an extremely feasible scenario.
It might... nah, it has to be the case. Xehanort—the Sixth Foreteller, I mean—has to have been body-hopping all this time.
There's much to be absorbed....:confused:
Is it just me or does it seem like the Maleficent/Pete scene actually contributes more to the future of KH3 than YX/Braig? The latter comes off more as DDD foreshadowing.
"This χ-blade will open a door — one that leads to all worlds. Then, Keyblade bearing warriors will flock here from each and every one of them, to battle for the light within Kingdom Hearts! And just like the legend says, the Keyblade War will begin!"—Ventus-Vanitas
If Xehanort really was body hoping since the Key blade War, then how did he end up on Destiny Islands? By his own words and his reports, he was born and raised on Destiny Island. Never knowing about a key blade until his master came to him. Wouldn't this retcon his entire past as chronicled in his reports?
If Xehanort really was body hoping since they Key blade War, then how did he end up on Destiny Islands? By his own words and his reports, he was born and raised on Destiny Island. Never knowing about a key blade until his master came to him. Wouldn't this retcon his entire past as chronicled in his reports?
If Xehanort was a willing participant in the his takeover, maybe the original being allowed him to keep his memories? Gah, KH3 can't get here quick enough!
Xehanort's Keyblade...
What if it's not so much the Sixth Foreteller was body hopping this whole time, but the Sixth sealed himself in that Keyblade, so he'd continuously be passed down to new people, hoping to find the one person who'd be influenced enough by his presence and seek to cause the new Keyblade War he so badly wants?
Young Xehanort says it's a "will" that is passed on.
I think we can rule out possession. However, the Keyblade itself may have an influence because of its connection to the sixth...
Man, we really need to come with a name to call the one that didn't become a Foreteller.
Man, we really need to come with a name to call the one that didn't become a Foreteller.
How about "The Will" or "The Sixth?"
Man, we really need to come with a name to call the one that didn't become a Foreteller.
How about "The Will" or "The Sixth?"
If Xehanort really was body hoping since they Key blade War, then how did he end up on Destiny Islands? By his own words and his reports, he was born and raised on Destiny Island. Never knowing about a key blade until his master came to him. Wouldn't this retcon his entire past as chronicled in his reports?
For all we know, the 6th follower of the original Master originated from Destiny Islands, just like Xehanort.
Probably in the end YMX said Saix but who knows? :D
How about "The Will" or "The Sixth?"
will ansem work as his name?
I'm just going to cast my vote for "The Sixth". Seems like it'd be the least complicated and easiest to remember.
will ansem work as his name?
No lol
For all we know, the 6th follower of the original Master originated from Destiny Islands, just like Xehanort.
He did? I have not played Chi so I wouldn't know. But even if he did come from there, then why would he return to a world he hated hundreds of years later?
He did? I have not played Chi so I wouldn't know.
She was saying it's a possibility, because we don't actually know anything about him except for the fact that he did not become a Foreteller like his fellow apprentices.
Hrm. this is quit the interesting development.
MX's keyblade...could it be from the sixth Foreteller? Or the Master of the Foretellers?
She was saying it's a possibility, because we don't actually know anything about him except for the fact that he did not become a Foreteller like his fellow apprentices.
Oh okay.
There's still the issue that Xehanort should have already known about the keyblade before his master came for him if he was the sixth Forteller. His reports don't imply that he did.
Oh okay.
There's still the issue that Xehanort should have already known about the keyblade before his master came for him if he was the sixth Forteller. His reports don't imply that he did.
I think you're grasping for more than what there is to offer. We have no idea what the order of events are, or if The Sixth even is just using Xehanort as another vessel. We are merely entertaining the possibility that this is the case, due to the lack of information.
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
than if you dont wanna get spoilers dont get in 2.5 topics cuz its all about spoilers this days 8D
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
We are all weak, but at least we have each other! Let us bond over spoilers!
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
One of us, one of us, one of us!
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
"Come, open your heart." Ansem, Seeker of Darkness!
Submit!
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
Join the darkness. Nomura would want you to.
You're all nuts.
Kingdom Hearts 3 FAQ - KINGDOM HEARTS ?[chi] - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Updated this with a (hopefully) simple explanation about what the secret endings could imply. Maybe this will help someone understand what's going on, or maybe I just made it worse for them 8D
You're all nuts.
u started it
If anyone has yet to check out this amazing theory thread regarding Chi's implementation into the main series please click here! There are some fantastic ideas here that definitely deserve a read especially because he hella called the Keyblade thing.
Speaking of, I LOVELOVELOVE that secret ending. Totally freaking out over it. Really happy with getting confirmation about everyone waking up together, barring Larxene, Demyx, Marluxia and Luxord of course.
I think it's interesting how YMX seems pretty... unsure about becoming MX, and Braig certainly seems up for some backstabbing. It's definitely interesting to think that Master Xehanort is likely who YMX becomes once he receives the "will" and he's hesitant about it after working for MX. I would kill for a YMX/Braig/whoever else coup against Xehanort in KH3... I can't even imagine how fantastic that would be.
ALSO CRYING BECAUSE I LOVE BEN AND NOW HE WILL BE COMING BACK. ;~;
The Maleficent scene is definitely great in regards to getting some rational motive behind her actions in Coded. It was the one aspect of Coded that I always felt was somewhat lacking, but adding the Foreteller's Script into the mix as a motive really ties everything together nicely.
Coded is definitely turning into the highlight of this collection and I'm loving it. Haters of Coded be damned.
P.S. Sign you are a beautiful soul for helping keep all of us who don't keep up with Chi in the loop.
Nope you guys won't pull me in! I skipped to the last page just to say that I would love to talk about it but I'm waiting a few more hours until I give in and watch it until December to watch this!
Join the darkness. We always win.
I can't imagine how tough staying spoiler free after KH3 releases is going to be.
After reading through my translation of Maleficent's scene, I think I should have that extracting part correct.
Because I think that this is directly referring to the cards we are using in Chi. "People and power" from the future.
If this is true, I can't believe Nomura really created a reason behind why Chi is using a card system.
There may even be a chance the whole "Chi is a fairy tale reenactment" thing be debunked.
There may even be a chance the whole "Chi is a fairy tale reenactment" thing be debunked.
Well, the Emblem Heartless and Disney worlds will still be non-canon... right?
Because I think that this is directly referring to the cards we are using in Chi. "People and power" from the future.
If this is true, I can't believe Nomura really created a reason behind why Chi is using a card system.
Chain of Memories sends its regards. I absolutely hate these decisions by Nomura, weaving gameplay and story together like it's something he has to do.
Well, the Emblem Heartless and Disney worlds will still be non-canon... right?
You never know. There isn't a villain figure yet. Any theory can be possible. Emblem Heartless and Disney worlds could have been an extraction. Chi could be a data world itself, with a hub and everything.
Chain of Memories sends its regards. I absolutely hate these decisions by Nomura, weaving gameplay and story together like it's something he has to do.
But when devs don't do this, people cry about ludonarrative dissonance.
Besides, these aren't the only games that've done it.
Almost every gameplay mechanic in Re:coded is tied to and inspired by it being set in a world of data and computers.
Reality Shift and Flowmotion work because they're in a dream.
The summon gems in KH1 also tied into the story. Drive Forms are also a result of story events.
D-Links take the concept of "my friends are my power" and make it a gameplay element.
Probably the only game that doesn't do this is Days.
You never know. There isn't a villain figure yet. Any theory can be possible. Emblem Heartless and Disney worlds could have been an extraction. Chi could be a data world itself, with a hub and everything.
Y'know, since the five Unions are using the power of the future, who's to say the Sixth can't as well, somehow?
The Foretellers do say something about the Heartless being lured or brought there by someone, right?
Still not sure about the Disney worlds, though.
EDIT: Whoops, sorry for the double-post. Should've just edited the first one.
But when devs don't do this, people cry about ludonarrative dissonance.
Besides, these aren't the only games that've done it.
Almost every gameplay mechanic in Re:coded is tied to and inspired by it being set in a world of data and computers.
Reality Shift and Flowmotion work because they're in a dream.
The summon gems in KH1 also tied into the story. Drive Forms are also a result of story events.
D-Links take the concept of "my friends are my power" and make it a gameplay element.
Probably the only game that doesn't do this is Days.
The summons and D-Links never bothered me. The 2 keyblade mechanic was also retroactively changed to compliment the story but that one is fairly minor and well suited in the grand scheme of things (I would really love for Square to fix the dialogue between Sora and the fairies to foreshadow Ventus' part in this). Coded was the opposite imo. Yes, story and gameplay are tightly integrated but the gameplay was affected by the story, no?
Personally I am against it when gameplay is explained via story - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and CoM's mechanics really did take over the plot in some parts. They should really have left the "I created this card from your memories" bs out of the game and fixed it when they got their chance with Re:CoM. Tutor the player into learning the ropes and never mention the cards outside of the battle.
I am trying to think when and where has Nomura done this again but I really can't, I am really tired right now :p
"I swore I would survive and be there to see what awaited me beyond the keyblade war."
"I swore I would survive and be there to see what awaited me beyond the keyblade war."
Yeah, I posted that a few pages back.
Yeah, I posted that a few pages back.
Good for you man, honestly
"I swore I would survive and be there to see what awaited me beyond the keyblade war."
it's like he knows his younger self will be betraying him.
Good for you man, honestly
If you expect the discussion to magically continue when all you've done is randomly dump a quote that's already been discussed, I would suggest elaborating to direct the flow of the conversation further.
so everything in the tome will happen and nothing that sora can't prevent it from happing
so everything in the tome will happen and nothing that sora can't prevent it from happing
That's how a prophecy works.
That's how a prophecy works.
i wonder if there more to sora then like maybe the will of the master of the fortellers was passed on to him somehow
i wonder if there more to sora then like maybe the will of the master of the fortellers was passed on to him somehow
That would go against his "just an ordinary boy" concept.
That would go against his "just an ordinary boy" concept.
well he isn't a ordinary boy he the one that can set things right and save the hearts that are in pain
well he isn't a ordinary boy he the one that can set things right and save the hearts that are in pain
But he was not destined for that. If riku hadn't givin in to the darkness he'd still be an ordinary boy.
But he was not destined for that. If riku hadn't givin in to the darkness he'd still be an ordinary boy.
true but destiny isn't left to chance maybe riku was surpose to fall into the darkness
lol im actually happy that main hero was sora it was supposed to be riku since his the original wielder of kingdom key but i like sora cuz he always smiles and help other people riku nice to but sometimes his grumpy
again guys if riku never feel into darkness the whole story would be different and the tomes would be wrong but the tomes was right and the prophecy will happen.
"Destiny isn't left to chance"
true destiny isn't left to chance but still you cannot deny that his in ordinary boy since the non of the keyblades choose sora even riku tho he was choesn by terra
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true destiny isn't left to chance but still you cannot deny that his in ordinary boy since the non of the keyblades choose sora even riku tho he was choesn by terra
and yet sora is the one that will set things right and possibly end the cycle of keyblade wars of happing
how about you get back on topic, guys?
how about you get back on topic, guys?
sorry i tend to do that sometimes anyway only the tomes know what will happen kingdom hearts 3 and i can't wait for this chapter to end and another chapter will begin :)
"the future doesn't scare me at all"
yeah xehanort saga was fun but hope next saga we meet new keyblade wielders or at least more females lol
Just sifted through all of these after watching the secret movies.
So, I gotta admit, the idea of having Maleficent having some knowledge about the events of Chi was definitely interesting. At the very least, it makes her inclusion in Re:coded actually make more sense when looking at the grand scope of things.
As for the other secret ending...I can safely say while I saw Young Master Xehanort coming and still say that there are hints that he has plans of his own, I did NOT expect him to say that Master Xehanort's keyblade goes back for millennia. Also, the way he said that he doesn't quite possess it yet may seem to imply that there is a degree of animosity between him and his oldest self.
So I'm assuming the secret trailer takes place before the first scene of DDD where Apprentice Xehanort stabs Braig?
So I'm assuming the secret trailer takes place before the first scene of DDD where Apprentice Xehanort stabs Braig?
It takes place immediately before Lea woke up, actually. In the scene you mentioned, we didn't see Lea and Isa, but they are present, albeit unconscious, in this scene.
It takes place immediately before Lea woke up, actually. In the scene you mentioned, we didn't see Lea and Isa, but they are present, albeit unconscious, in this scene.
I believe Even and Ienzo are placed in the same spot in both scenes.
Maybe [chi] is already Maleficent's digitalization of the Foreteller's Script, which the game taking place in the datascape a lot of things would made more sense.
Also if keyblades can be passed down maybe the Master Keeper is originally the keyblade of the master of the foretellers.
Does anyone know why Lea and said are Isa are still wearing black robes? It seems that once you go back to your original self you appear back in the clothes you wore before... So in that case Lea and Isa must have been wearing the robes before their death for some reason... If all of this is true why did Xemnas and the rest of the organization start wearing Lea's and Saix's robes?
Does anyone know why Lea and said are Isa are still wearing black robes? It seems that once you go back to your original self you appear back in the clothes you wore before... So in that case Lea and Isa must have been wearing the robes before their death for some reason... If all of this is true why did Xemnas and the rest of the organization start wearing Lea's and Saix's robes?
Nomura just doesn't have new clothes for them. Expect a major wardrobe overhaul for a lot of character in KH 3 :p
I don't think it's just a plot hole. Have you seen the credits for bbs? There's a clip of Lea and Saix getting kicked out of the Castle by Dilan. I'd say Lea and Isa started the black coat trend so they could try getting into the castle again by using a disguise. It apparently worked because Lea and Isa both materialize back to themselves inside castle walls. And in case you don't know in kingdom hearts if you die you go back exactly where you died when you are "reborn". This was mention by Ienzo in DDD.
I don't think it's just a plot hole. Have you seen the credits for bbs? There's a clip of Lea and Saix getting kicked out of the Castle by Dilan. I'd say Lea and Isa started the black coat trend so they could try getting into the castle again by using a disguise. It apparently worked because Lea and Isa both materialize back to themselves inside castle walls. And in case you don't know in kingdom hearts if you die you go back exactly where you died when you are "reborn". This was mention by Ienzo in DDD.
But the only one who knew about the black coat and wore it was Master Xehanort and Xemnas decided to use that as the official uniform based off of xehanort's memories. There's no way Lea or Isa could have known about it. I think the only reason they were wearing it was because, like Lnd500 said, the developers didn't want to make new clothes for them
But the only one who knew about the black coat and wore it was Master Xehanort and Xemnas decided to use that as the official uniform based off of xehanort's memories. There's no way Lea or Isa could have known about it. I think the only reason they were wearing it was because, like Lnd500 said, the developers didn't want to make new clothes for them
Um could you elaborate the part about MX knowing about the black coats? He wore the black coat or just a black coat? My memory is a bit hazy.
Um could you elaborate the part about MX knowing about the black coats? He wore the black coat or just a black coat? My memory is a bit hazy.
He created the black coat years ago. He was wearing one when he was going to leave Ven for dead on Destiny Islands.
Okay yep I remember now... Darn though I was on to something... So just a plot hole?
Okay yep I remember now... Darn though I was on to something... So just a plot hole?
Not a plot hole exactly, just the developers not wanting to give Isa and Lea new outfits for some reason. Either that or Xehanort dressed them in black coats before they lost their hearts, LOL
At this point, I'm assuming Lea and Isa were captured for Xehanort's little science experiments. With the black coats being like a prison uniform.
And guessing from their positions (and Aeleus',) they did come from the underground prison.
Though the real reason Lea didn't have new clothes is just cause they didn't want to make one. (And considering Lea may have still been wearing his old clothes underneath, I don't think I'd wanna see that. XD)
You know how theatre mode can be viewed in english? does that mean recoded has the english voices as well?
You know how theatre mode can be viewed in english? does that mean recoded has the english voices as well?
I wouldn't think so. The original KH2FM had English voices, so depending on if the new scenes are available in English, there was no new English recording done for the Japanese release.
So cyberman65 uploaded the re:coded movie. Here's the interesting thing, Hochu Ohtsuka is credited as voice Xigbar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzrCD8AbzWY
It's around the 2 hour 52 minute mark.
So... Why exactly did Lea and Isa age, but Ienzo didn't? Or did he? If so, I don't get why. I mean, didn't they get separated into Heartless and Nobodies right after BBS?
So... Why exactly did Lea and Isa age, but Ienzo didn't? Or did he? If so, I don't get why. I mean, didn't they get separated into Heartless and Nobodies right after BBS?
nobodys can age they have hearts ienzo aged to
So... Why exactly did Lea and Isa age, but Ienzo didn't? Or did he? If so, I don't get why. I mean, didn't they get separated into Heartless and Nobodies right after BBS?
Lea and Isa probably turned into Nobodies some time after the others did.
Interesting...
Even though I didn't understand anything.
Interesting...
Even though I didn't understand anything.
Maleficent and pete mentioned people living in book i know its about xchi but in DDD mickey was holding a book in the opening and we saw roxas ventus terra aqua donald and goofy getting out of that book is that the book world or thats xchi book in DDD
I have various thoughts:
+ Master Xehanort: Is Xehanort the Sixth Foreteller and has been acting to not know that much about the Keyblade War for plot's sake or has Xehanort been a willing vessel for the Sixth Foreteller? What if the Sixth Foreteller has been concealing his appearance (or it's actually his true appearance) as the Guardian?
+ Master Eraqus/Terra: What if Master Xehanort has them under his control because they know his secret plan regarding the Foretellers? They were or are in his heart (or close to that of the Sixth Foreteller).
+ Young Xehanort: Assuming he betrays Master Xehanort; why would he, though? Assuming the Sixth Foreteller is a separate entity to MX; is the Sixth Foreteller possessing YX right now? But why would he posses YX? Does he think that, as a younger vessel, he can exploit his powers more?
+ Chi: What if the world of Chi is actually a digital recreation made by Mickey to try and understand what happened before the Keyblade War? What if Mickey and Master Yen Sid have known about this all along and have only been acting as spectators because, since it's a prophecy, they can't do much?
+ Young Eraqus/Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts III: I think the opening scenario of the game will be centered on these two. It could solve as an intro to what the plot will focus: on the Foretellers.
These secret endings have given us more questions for KHIII to answer. It's like they're purposely building up the heat for KH3. But if DDD HD were to happen... What more could they add with, yet another, secret ending? A conversation between Master Xehanort and a character we cannot see, but could possibly be the Sixth Foreteller (again, assuming they're separate entities).
+ Master Xehanort: Is Xehanort the Sixth Foreteller and has been acting to not know that much about the Keyblade War for plot's sake or has Xehanort been a willing vessel for the Sixth Foreteller? What if the Sixth Foreteller has been concealing his appearance (or it's actually his true appearance) as the Guardian?
Well first, we must make it clear we do not know if he really is connected to the guy who never got a Tome of Prophecy.
If he were the 6th not!Foreteller (because remember he is not a Foreteller because he never got a tome to tell the future), his true appearance would not be the Guardian but of that of a human. The Guardian can easily be connected, though, so I won't discount that.
Also Xehanort's knowledge of the war was all gained by learning about it as a young Keyblade apprentice and as he travelled through worlds. The Keyblade he has imparted a will––a desire onto Xehanort.
While there is no proof, that likely implies that all of Xehanort's desires "to see what awaited beyond" the Keyblade War were from that will. It never gave him knowledge because Xehanort still clearly had to learn it or he wouldn't have wasted 60-70 years of his life searching and learning. If the 6th Not!Foreteller had imparted that knowledge to Xehanort, he wouldn't have wasted time and would have already been attempting his plans back as a young man.
| + Master Eraqus/Terra: What if Master Xehanort has them under his control because they know his secret plan regarding the Foretellers? They were or are in his heart (or close to that of the Sixth Foreteller). |
Except Xehanort doesn't and never did have Eraqus under his control. Eraqus is not in Xehanort's heart. He's in Terra's and that is the key difference in what you are thinking.
He has Terra under his control because he needs vessels, willing or not. And we do not know the state of Terra, so that is also another thing to keep in mind. Even Nomura has stated that Terra's location is not a simple matter.
| + Young Xehanort: Assuming he betrays Master Xehanort; why would he, though? Assuming the Sixth Foreteller is a separate entity to MX; is the Sixth Foreteller possessing YX right now? But why would he posses YX? Does he think that, as a younger vessel, he can exploit his powers more? |
Why would he? More like why wouldn't he. Young Xehanort is still just as ambitious as Master Xehanort, but without the wasted years and will of the Keyblade. Don't you think he might actually be disappointed to see that this is the direction his life has taken? One where he's accomplished nothing and has little to show for it, and is still grasping for his goals even as he avoids death?
No, we know for a fact that the will of the Keyblade has not yet been imparted to Young Xehanort because he has not obtained the Keyblade, therefore whatever that "will" is would not be controlling his actions.
| + Chi: What if the world of Chi is actually a digital recreation made by Mickey to try and understand what happened before the Keyblade War? What if Mickey and Master Yen Sid have known about this all along and have only been acting as spectators because, since it's a prophecy, they can't do much? |
Well, it would then explain how Mickey, Donald, and Goofy's appearance in the main story would actually be canon.
| + Young Eraqus/Xehanort in Kingdom Hearts III: I think the opening scenario of the game will be centered on these two. It could solve as an intro to what the plot will focus: on the Foretellers. |
Um. Yeah. We know that. For about months now. Tai Yasue first confirmed it at E3 that it was the opening scene. Nomura then confirmed that the opening is two minutes centered on these "two mysterious guys" talking about the "Lost Masters".
I see. Thanks for the clarifications, Spock. And the idea of Young Xehanort wanting a different finale for his life sounds as ambitious as the YX from BbS where he wanted to escape from his prison.
I see. Thanks for the clarifications, Spock. And the idea of Young Xehanort wanting a different finale for his life sounds as ambitious as the YX from BbS where he wanted to escape from his prison.
That's actually a really cool observation. It certainly plays into the theme of history being played out in a cycle rather than in a timeline. Plus it also makes for good case of bookends for Young Master Xehanort.
That's actually a really cool observation. It certainly plays into the theme of history being played out in a cycle rather than in a timeline. Plus it also makes for good case of bookends for Young Master Xehanort.
I picture it like this: Young Xehanort battles against or odds because he considers his current fate as another prison, an instance where he is fated to die, not as an ambitious fellow that wanted more for his life, but as a monster that sacrificed the lives of many out of curiosity.
I can picture Sora and the gang tributing YX, but not Master Xehanort.
sorry about this how does 1 make a thread?
sorry about this how does 1 make a thread?
Welcome to the forums.
On the forum itself there's on the left upper side a big black button reading "post new thread".
thanks for your kindness good sir
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