SPOILERS A special conversation before KINGDOM HEARTS 0.2 BBS revealed at First Breath concert!
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Lucky fans who attended KINGDOM HEARTS Concert -First Breath- yesterday were given a special performance by Ryotaro Okiayu and Iku Nakahara, the voice actors of Terra and Naminé, that accompanied the beautiful brass orchestra performing music from the KINGDOM HEARTS series.
Ryotaro Okiayu and Iku Nakahara performed their roles as Terra and Naminé live on stage during the musical performance, reciting their lines from the games. The second part introduced a brand new scenario with the Lingering Will meeting and communicating with Naminé prior to the events of KINGDOM HEARTS 0.2 Birth By Sleep -A Fragmentary Passage-.
Update: We have a summary of the performance during the concert with the characters' dialogue thanks to aibo_ac7, Goldpanner for the translation!
First of all, there was no talk of KH2.8 or KH3.
Okiayu is Terra and Nakahara is Namine, so interactions between Terra and Namine took place along with the music.
The first part was Terra and Namine lines from in the Kingdom Heart games.
The second part interaction was a scene where Okiayu spoke as the 'Lingering Will', meeting and speaking with Namine in the darkness (?).
The story was that Namine, following Sora's heart, ended up where the Lingering Will was.
Will: This place, it's...
Namine: This is a world of your memories. You're the only one the people of this time don't know the whereabouts of. I made it this far by following the links of those connected to you.
Will: Who are you?
Namine: Nice to meet you, I'm Na.. I'm a witch who manipulates memories.
Will: A witch?
Namine: Right now, you're bound by two sets of memories. One is your own memories. The other is that of a very dark power.
Will: Master... Xehanort...
Namine: Soon you'll be touched by a familiar light. Please guide her, so that she isn't confused by the darkness.
Will: She... Aqua! But I can't do anything, the way I am now...
Namine: Everyone is fighting in the the ways they can. I want you, too, to believe in yourself and fight so that your heart doesn't melt into the darkness. We will all make it to the same place, you see.
Will: Aqua... Ven... Someday, I'll... no matter what, I'll...
~The Unknown plays~
Will: I've never forgotten what happened on that day. I'll make it here and show you, no matter what.
The Lingering Will said, "Aqua, Ven!" as though talking to Namine had made it remember their names.
This is just my impression, but it felt as though it were a sign that Terra will come back from the Lingering Will.
Then, Nomura explained that this story happens a little while before KH0.2.
Nomura said that this conversation between the Lingering Will and Namine was "not going to appear in a game, it's a story just for the guests at this concert."
That's a general idea of the content.
COMMENTS
Re: SPOILERS A special conversation before KINGDOM HEARTS 0.2 BBS
Aw, that's sweet. Random, but sweet. Is this then considered canon even though it's not in game? It's like Nomura's headcanon. Pfft
Nomura's silly but I love that he thinks about this stuff for the games even if it will never be in the games. (WE DO TOO, NOMURA <3 )
Re: SPOILERS Impressions of Pre-KINGDOM HEARTS BBS0.2 story Lingering Will & Namine
I don't understand why Nomura had to ruin a beautiful thing by saying it takes place prior to 0.2 xD.
It would have worked fine post-KHII, Nomura-san!
From the trailers it seems like 0.2 takes place in the frame story of Mickey recounting "meeting Aqua in the Realm of Darkness," which technically slides it in after DDD chronologically.
oh well i think december will fun and we have got a date yet for 2.8 i wonder then goin to annouce it
Re: SPOILERS Impressions of Pre-KINGDOM HEARTS BBS0.2 story Lingering Will & Namine
From the trailers it seems like 0.2 takes place in the frame story of Mickey recounting "meeting Aqua in the Realm of Darkness," which technically slides it in after DDD chronologically.
The issue I have with that is if the intention he was trying to get across was its parallel to Mickey's story, then he could have said post-DDD. But he said pre-0.2 and 0.2 is mostly about Aqua in the Realm of Darkness right after BBS.
Tbh, when it was revealed that Terra and Naminés VAs would be in attendance at all the shows in Japan--and that something was in the works--I kind of figured it would be something like this.
Still really exciting, though! Especially to now know so much about this scene:)
I wonder if a moment in KHIII might even build off of it... We know that this instance won't be in the games, but maybe something that kind of follows the trail of bread crumbs laid here?
Also, that moment when we were all right--for thinking Nomura might make the concerts canon, since they had their own KH logos. LOL.
Kind of makes me wonder if the World Tour might end up getting a different scene, then--since that's more than winds going to be there and it has a different name and logo... -is probably overthinking this, when we're probably just getting the Terra and Naminé thing with our VAs of them if that-
Re: SPOILERS Impressions of Pre-KINGDOM HEARTS BBS0.2 story Lingering Will & Namine
The issue I have with that is if the intention he was trying to get across was its parallel to Mickey's story, then he could have said post-DDD. But he said pre-0.2 and 0.2 is mostly about Aqua in the Realm of Darkness right after BBS.
I dunno, it's kind of similar to how it's occasionally said Re:coded takes place after KHII, even though it's actually between the ending and the epilogue (but that's still technically "after").
It's probably just easier to say "before 0.2" than specify with a qualifier like that.
Kind of makes me wonder if the World Tour might end up getting a different scene, then--since that's more than winds going to be there and it has a different name and logo... -is probably overthinking this, when we're probably just getting the Terra and Naminé thing with our VAs of them if that-
he had to make the concerts official cannon. This is honestly just great.
I think people are kind of thinking too much on this. It's just fluff, y'all. Cute director head-canon stuff he wanted to share with fans.
Think of all of the stuff in interviews we know that isn't even in the games lol
I think people are kind of thinking too much on this. It's just fluff, y'all. Cute director head-canon stuff he wanted to share with fans.
Think of all of the stuff in interviews we know that isn't even in the games lol
jorney of kingdom hearts climax or finale song
unknown secret boss battle
power of darkness final boss battle
yep it is anyway let talk the three songs that were played and where there might be played in kh 3
jorney of kingdom hearts climax or finale song
unknown secret boss battle
power of darkness final boss battle
They were just suites of songs. Unless you mean you want these songs in KH3?
This is still a topic for talking about the dialogue lol
Maybe Namine is going to give a message to Aqua in 0.2? It seems a bit weird to just have her talking to Terra
They were just suites of songs. Unless you mean you want these songs in KH3?
This is still a topic for talking about the dialogue lol
We all knew it was going to happen. Nomura has made the concerts canon.
um expect 2.8 would be already out and three might be out next year
That's a good point. I didn't even think about that. Maybe we'll get a KHIII scene, then? Or just get to "see" the prologue ourselves, maybe?
But as MS said, we're (I'm) probably taking this too seriously, and shouldn't overthink it at all and just take it as it is.
We'd be lucky and blessed just to get some kind of variant of the Terra and Naminé moment at our own concerts, and I'd be more than fine and thankful if we just get that.
Yeah...considering the current point in time of the year, I hardly doubt anyone can avoid this spoiler for long. Not that I'm saying everyone should know; it is what it is. I'm both disappointed and happy at the same time, so whatever.
Anyway, onto the content at hand, I'm just excited that she still has a presence in the series, and I hope she does in KH3 as well.
There are people out there who didn't read the article and believe an actual cutscene featuring Lingering Will and Naminé was created just for this event. There are now photos (article coming soon) that will hopefully show them that it was performed live on stage and not an actual cutscene.
It doesnt really matter if 2.8 is out by next years concerts because the scene isnt going to be in it so it can still theoretically work as a special concert thing then too?
I guess this essentially means the fight against the Lingering Will, like the fight against Xemnas in KHFM, is canon now.
I guess this essentially means the fight against the Lingering Will, like the fight against Xemnas in KHFM, is canon now.
I thought that was confirmed canon last decade?
I guess this essentially means the fight against the Lingering Will, like the fight against Xemnas in KHFM, is canon now.
Wasn't that confirmed canon in BBS once we saw the "birth" of Lingering Will?
I thought that was confirmed canon last decade?
Wasn't that confirmed canon in BBS once we saw the "birth" of Lingering Will?
Hmm, I guess you're right.
At this point I feel like the only non-canon anything in this series are the alternate scenes in KH1 lol
They're canon if you follow the theory of there being multiple parallel universes of the Kingdom Hearts story and those alternate scenes take place in different universes.
Then the novels and the manga are canon. <3 Those are two AUs I can get behind.
I can guarantee you that this segment will be in Kingdom Hearts III. It seems like too much of an important plot point not to be a cutscene in some capacity.
I can guarantee you that this segment will be in Kingdom Hearts III. It seems like too much of an important plot point not to be a cutscene in some capacity.
Wasn't it explicitly said that it will be in no game at all?
Furthermore, it also isn't that much of an important plot point that it definitely needs to be put directly on screen. It is already somewhat common knowledge that the Lingering Will still has to play some role and Naminé in the Re: Coded finale already explicitly stated that she found memories and connections to other hearts when restoring Sora's memories, which can perfectly include this little aspect now given during the concert.
In that vein, it also makes completely sense that the Naminé/Lingering Will thingy takes place before 0.2 as when Sora meets the LW in KH 2 it already remembers "Aqua! Ven!". It is an occurrence that happened during the year Naminé was restoring Sora's memories, possibly back to back with DiZ/Ansem the Wise putting his research data into Sora's heart.
Yep. This encounter probably happened while Namine was digging around putting Sora back together. I wonder if that means she encountered Ven and Aqua as well in this manner (or Ven at least).
You know, in a weird way, Namine reminds me of Mickey. Shows up when she wants to, is often the character leading another on the right path, giving advice, etc etc. A weird unintentional connection I'm sure.
Updated OP with dialogue, thanks to aibo and goldpanner for translations!
| Will [FONT="]: ...Who are you?[/FONT] Namine [FONT="]: I'm Na... A witch, who manipulates memory.[/FONT] Will [FONT="]: ...A witch?[/FONT] Namine [FONT="]: Terra, you are bound by two hearts. Yours, Terra, and that of... [/FONT] Will [FONT="]: ...Xeha... nort.[/FONT] Namine [FONT="]: Yes. Terra, help is coming soon, so don't give up... keep on fighting! [/FONT] Will [FONT="]: ...Aqua, Ven...!![/FONT] |
What if Namine opened the path for Sora to find the Lingering Will? I'm kind of glad she's getting a bigger role in the grand story, other than the messenger.
Wasn't it explicitly said that it will be in no game at all?
Really? I must have missed that part. Anyway, there’s always Kingdom Hearts III Final Mix to consider. Plus, this is Nomura. He said that 0.2 Birth by Sleep wouldn’t be a thing and I’m posting on a thread where 0.2 Birth by Sleep is a thing.
Furthermore, it also isn't that much of an important plot point that it definitely needs to be put directly on screen. It is already somewhat common knowledge that the Lingering Will still has to play some role and Naminé in the Re: Coded finale already explicitly stated that she found memories and connections to other hearts when restoring Sora's memories, which can perfectly include this little aspect now given during the concert.
In that vein, it also makes completely sense that the Naminé/Lingering Will thingy takes place before 0.2 as when Sora meets the LW in KH 2 it already remembers "Aqua! Ven!". It is an occurrence that happened during the year Naminé was restoring Sora's memories, possibly back to back with DiZ/Ansem the Wise putting his research data into Sora's heart.
Kingdom Hearts III is a numbered title. Because of this, it needs to be as clear and as understandable as possible so every little lore element counts. Sure, people who are knowledgeable about Kingdom Hearts can understand the relationship between the Lingering Will and Namine, however, there’s guarantee newcomers who are going to jump into Kingdom Hearts III as their first game so they need to be informed and understand key plot points to understand as much as possible.
Maybe, The Lingering Will and Namine do communicate but the lines exchanged are vastly different to that of what was shown in the concert hence the exclusivity of the scene. Deleted bloopers if you will.
I love this. It's such a small detail, but adds some more depth to the already beautifully deep KH series. I feel like Namine would relate to Terra/Aqua/Ven so much and get along with them too. It was nice of him to do this even if it won't be in a game.
Updated OP with dialogue, thanks to aibo and goldpanner for translations!
I find it somewhat funny that everytime when Naminé introduces herself as "a witch with power over memory" the one addressed always replies with a sort of flabbergasted "A witch?" reaction. Roxas did it, Riku too and I think SDG as well and now the LW can get in line. ;P
What if Namine opened the path for Sora to find the Lingering Will? I'm kind of glad she's getting a bigger role in the grand story, other than the messenger.
That notion isn't even that farfetched as Naminé could have somehow arranged that in order to show the LW that help is really on the way and lift up its (and Terra's) spirits in order to give it more vigor to fight on and not give up.
It is obvious that the LW is directly connected to Terra himself somehow and at the end of the first battle between Sora and the LW it could sense Ventus within Sora.
The reassurance that Ventus is alive and (relatively speaking) safe could certainly be a huge morale boost for Terra through the LW!
Really? I must have missed that part. Anyway, there’s always Kingdom Hearts III Final Mix to consider. Plus, this is Nomura. He said that 0.2 Birth by Sleep wouldn’t be a thing and I’m posting on a thread where 0.2 Birth by Sleep is a thing.
Kingdom Hearts III is a numbered title. Because of this, it needs to be as clear and as understandable as possible so every little lore element counts. Sure, people who are knowledgeable about Kingdom Hearts can understand the relationship between the Lingering Will and Namine, however, there’s guarantee newcomers who are going to jump into Kingdom Hearts III as their first game so they need to be informed and understand key plot points to understand as much as possible.
Maybe, The Lingering Will and Namine do communicate but the lines exchanged are vastly different to that of what was shown in the concert hence the exclusivity of the scene. Deleted bloopers if you will.
In fact Nomura always said there are no plans for Birth By Sleep v2 and the "0.2" we get now is not the whole thing that BBS v2 was originally planned to be either.
And being a numbered title means exactly what? KH 1 and 2 both were not really that clear and understandable as possible either. If you think Kingdom Hearts is a series where important lore is presented and included clearly or easily understandable you haven't paid attention.
You also can't expect there to be a whole lot of handholding for all those who start out completely new with the final episode of a whole saga.
That's like watching the final episodes of a season of a TV series first before anything else and then expecting to get everything explained and/or delivered on a silver platter.
I don't really get what you mean there? The actual lines exchanged by the voice actors during the concert are the only instances of this scene that exist. What exactly is different from what? There is only one set of lines and that one, while certainly nice to know, isn't so crucial that the actual lines need to be actually in one of the games themselves.
[FONT=verdana]aibo has shared EVEN MORE DETAILED impressions of the dialogue! Again, thanks to goldpanner for translations!
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| Will [FONT=Verdana]: This place, it's.. [FONT=Verdana]Namine: This is a world of your memories. You're the only one the people of this time don't know the whereabouts of. I made it this far by following the links of those connected to you.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana]Namine: Nice to meet you, I'm Na.. I'm a witch who manipulates memories.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana]Namine: Right now, you're bound by two sets of memories. One is your own memories. The other is that of a very dark power. [FONT=Verdana]Will: Master... Xehanort... [FONT=Verdana]Namine: Soon you'll be touched by a familiar light. Please guide her, so that she isn't confused by the darkness. [FONT=Verdana]Will: She... Aqua! But I can't do anything, the way I am now... [FONT=Verdana]Namine: Everyone is fighting in the the ways they can. I want you, too, to believe in yourself and fight so that your heart doesn't melt into the darkness. We will all make it to the same place, you see. [FONT=Verdana]Will: Aqua... Ven... Someday, I'll... no matter what, I'll...[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana] |
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Excuse me, but my Birth by Sleep feels are awakening. Or maybe they never went to sleep
there’s guarantee newcomers who are going to jump into Kingdom Hearts III as their first game so they need to be informed and understand key plot points to understand as much as possible.
OK, like, I would love this scene to be in-game.
But...
I don't really see why the finale of an nine-game saga needs to cater to people who are playing the finale as their first game.
Especially when the franchise has already done so much in an effort to get newcomers and older players up to speed.
Three collections
DDD's Chronicle
The χ series and 0.2, serving as backstory/lead-ins to KHIII
The potential for 1.5 and 2.5 to be ported to PS4
I cannot reasonably expect them to do any more. KHIII was announced three years ago, people have had plenty of time to get into the series somehow.
SOBBING. No wonder Aqua sees Terra and she thinks it is an illusion 8D
Makes me think maybe she's going to be seeing Terra more than once. Could Ven also be guiding her? We saw his keyblade take out the darksides at the end of BbS. I mean, I know he's in a coma through and through but... he did get jostled awake a little...
SOBBING. No wonder Aqua sees Terra and she thinks it is an illusion 8D
I know what this scene is implying, but like, when would it take place in the timeline? Aqua sees him during KH1 because she's in Cinderella's fallen world. Namine wouldn't be telling him that help was on the way then.
I think it depends on a few things.
How many times has Mickey been in the dark realm, and how long was he wearing that Chain of Memories outfit.
If he was in the dark realm again (after leaving Castle Oblivion with Riku) and met Aqua at that time, this would fit. I assume Namine came across Terra while putting Sora's memories back together, so this would be after CoM but before KH2. It's entirely possible Aqua hadn't reached Castle of Dreams until then. She might have just been in empty wasteland up until that point.
[FONT=verdana]aibo has shared EVEN MORE DETAILED impressions of the dialogue! Again, thanks to goldpanner for translations!
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All this is really somewhat heartwarming. ^__^
It's like Naminé is navigating the whole network of connections made by all the other major characters (indicated by this "
[FONT=Verdana]I made it this far by following the links of those connected to you.")[/FONT]
in order to be a messenger of hope that spreads a morale boosting message around.She's doing the same thing she did for Riku in CoM disguised as Kairi on a grander scale.
[FONT=Verdana]We will all make it to the same place, you see.[/FONT] |
This part somehow made me remember the rumors of a scene where all the major characters were shown together in a group that was apparently in one of the special "trailers" never shown to the public.
I think it depends on a few things.
How many times has Mickey been in the dark realm, and how long was he wearing that Chain of Memories outfit.
If he was in the dark realm again (after leaving Castle Oblivion with Riku) and met Aqua at that time, this would fit. I assume Namine came across Terra while putting Sora's memories back together, so this would be after CoM but before KH2. It's entirely possible Aqua hadn't reached Castle of Dreams until then. She might have just been in empty wasteland up until that point.
Tinny is right though in the sense that Aqua meeting that "Terra illusion" happens in the destroyed Castle of Dreams world which means it has to be during KH 1 except if one would insinuate that the Castle of Dreams was one of the worlds not restored at the end of KH 1 and instead became a sleeping world.
The earliest point in the timeline where Naminé's Operation Morale Booster could have started is however at the end of CoM as that is where she first gained full access to the "heart network" of Sora.
Tinny is right though in the sense that Aqua meeting that "Terra illusion" happens in the destroyed Castle of Dreams world which means it has to be during KH 1 except if one would insinuate that the Castle of Dreams was one of the worlds not restored at the end of KH 1 and instead became a sleeping world.
The earliest point in the timeline where Naminé's Operation Morale Booster could have started is however at the end of CoM as that is where she first gained full access to the "heart network" of Sora.
My point is, can we say without a doubt that Aqua makes it to the Castle of Dreams during KH1 and not after?
I know in the BbSV2, some KH1 cutscenes were shown right after the shocking reveal that Aqua sees Castle of Dreams in the Dark Realm, but I'm assuming since BbSV2 is never going to happen, Nomura could have easily shifted when she gets there by just a little bit of time (to the end of CoM) to make this scene possible.
Or, we really are thinking about this too much and it's legitimately just Nomura's headcanon that doesn't make sense in the timeline.
My point is, can we say without a doubt that Aqua makes it to the Castle of Dreams during KH1 and not after?
I know in the BbSV2, some KH1 cutscenes were shown right after the shocking reveal that Aqua sees Castle of Dreams in the Dark Realm, but I'm assuming since BbSV2 is never going to happen, Nomura could have easily shifted when she gets there by just a little bit of time (to the end of CoM) to make this scene possible.
Or, we really are thinking about this too much and it's legitimately just Nomura's headcanon that doesn't make sense in the timeline.
Yes. Castle of Dreams was restored after Kingdom Hearts 1. The end of Kingdom Hearts 1 is all those worlds getting restored, moreover - 0.2 is about Aqua meeting Mickey, something that can only have happened during KH1 when he was in the Realm of Darkness, you could argue that it could have happened around CoM - but the castle of dreams bit would still be before that, and around the time of KH1. There's no real way to stretch that.
Oh god. It makes no sense. I can't...
1. Darkness floods into the Realm of Light (Pre-KH1)
2. Aqua stumbles upon Castle of Dreams (Pre-KH1/KH1)
3. Aqua sees Terra's illusion (Pre-KH1/KH1)
4. Aqua encounters various worlds lost to the Darkness (KH1)
5. Namine is born when Kairi's heart leaves Sora's body
6. Sora saves the worlds
7. CoM happens
8. Namine rustles around Sora's heart to fix him, which leads her to Terra...
??????????. Namine and Lingering Will have a convo which pushes him to guide Aqua through the Realm of Darkness but oh no look that has already happened in the timeline.
??????????????
Logical conclusion: It is just Nomura's head canon and meant to be a fluff scene. Maybe hints at how Terra is communicating with Aqua in the Realm of Darkness without being canon? Something new like hearts communicating across time and space?
Oh god. It makes no sense. I can't...
1. Darkness floods into the Realm of Light (Pre-KH1)
2. Aqua stumbles upon Castle of Dreams (Pre-KH1/KH1)
3. Aqua sees Terra's illusion (Pre-KH1/KH1)
4. Aqua encounters various worlds lost to the Darkness (KH1)
5. Namine is born when Kairi's heart leaves Sora's body
6. Sora saves the worlds
7. CoM happens
8. Namine rustles around Sora's heart to fix him, which leads her to Terra...
??????????. Namine and Lingering Will have a convo which pushes him to guide Aqua through the Realm of Darkness but oh no look that has already happened in the timeline.
??????????????
Logical conclusion: It is just Nomura's head canon and meant to be a fluff scene. Maybe hints at how Terra is communicating with Aqua in the Realm of Darkness without being canon? Something new like hearts communicating across time and space?
KINGDOM
HEARTS
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NUTSHELL!
Oh god. It makes no sense. I can't...
1. Darkness floods into the Realm of Light (Pre-KH1)
2. Aqua stumbles upon Castle of Dreams (Pre-KH1/KH1)
3. Aqua sees Terra's illusion (Pre-KH1/KH1)
4. Aqua encounters various worlds lost to the Darkness (KH1)
5. Namine is born when Kairi's heart leaves Sora's body
6. Sora saves the worlds
7. CoM happens
8. Namine rustles around Sora's heart to fix him, which leads her to Terra...
??????????. Namine and Lingering Will have a convo which pushes him to guide Aqua through the Realm of Darkness but oh no look that has already happened in the timeline.
??????????????
Logical conclusion: It is just Nomura's head canon and meant to be a fluff scene. Maybe hints at how Terra is communicating with Aqua in the Realm of Darkness without being canon? Something new like hearts communicating across time and space?
Don't try to make sense out of it, it's useless. D:
Logical conclusion: It is just Nomura's head canon and meant to be a fluff scene. Maybe hints at how Terra is communicating with Aqua in the Realm of Darkness without being canon? Something new like hearts communicating across time and space?
Pretty much that. All I can logically see it being at this point in time is a cute "what if" scene to entertain the concert-goers or else timey-wimey heart connection and/or Realm of Darkness shenanigans.
Except that...has anyone actually entertained the thought that Aqua seeing an illusion of Terra specifically has nothing to to with the conversation between Naminé and the Lingering Will at all and that Aqua's time in the RoD is not restricted to only the part where she is at Castle of Dreams?
Aqua's entire time in the RoD encompasses the whole timeline from the end of BBS up to the end of DDD. The illusion of Terra at Castle of Dreams may be indeed just an hallucination on her own part, also considering that the whole thing drags her spirit down instead of up apparently.
It is entirely possible that Naminé is referring to an entire different incident that we haven't seen yet and that may or may not be actually a part of 0.2 at a different point in the timeline.
If we go indeed by the premise that the whole meeting between Naminé and the LW takes place in the post-CoM/Days part of the timeline then that indicates Aqua might eventually truly "touch" whatever there is of Terra in the LW during a different situation in the RoD that does take place in the post-CoM/Days timeframe, totally unrelated to the illusion scene already shown in the 0.2 demo.
So instead of letting the head steam like a hot boiler and cringe at how it doesn't make sense maybe it is better to look at the whole thing from a different angle and do not weave a connection between two incidents that actually to not even have a connection?
We haven't yet seen very much of what Aqua will actually encounter throughout the whole of KH 0.2 and I do not recall that it has been actually implied anywhere that this meeting between the LW and Naminé is actually directly tied to Aqua seeing that Terra illusion (which may very well originate from her own memories playing a trick on her due to her current state of mind) at Castle of Dreams.
This is a solely fanmade association, an association that may not even be there as elaborated upon above. ;)
Except that...has anyone actually entertained the thought that Aqua seeing an illusion of Terra specifically has nothing to to with the conversation between Naminé and the Lingering Will at all and that Aqua's time in the RoD is not restricted to only the part where she is at Castle of Dreams?
Aqua's entire time in the RoD encompasses the whole timeline from the end of BBS up to the end of DDD. The illusion of Terra at Castle of Dreams may be indeed just an hallucination on her own part, also considering that the whole thing drags her spirit down instead of up apparently.
It is entirely possible that Naminé is referring to an entire different incident that we haven't seen yet and that may or may not be actually a part of 0.2 at a different point in the timeline.
If we go indeed by the premise that the whole meeting between Naminé and the LW takes place in the post-CoM/Days part of the timeline then that indicates Aqua might eventually truly "touch" whatever there is of Terra in the LW during a different situation in the RoD that does take place in the post-CoM/Days timeframe, totally unrelated to the illusion scene already shown in the 0.2 demo.
So instead of letting the head steam like a hot boiler and cringe at how it doesn't make sense maybe it is better to look at the whole thing from a different angle and do not weave a connection between two incidents that actually to not even have a connection?
We haven't yet seen very much of what Aqua will actually encounter throughout the whole of KH 0.2 and I do not recall that it has been actually implied anywhere that this meeting between the LW and Naminé is actually directly tied to Aqua seeing that Terra illusion (which may very well originate from her own memories playing a trick on her due to her current state of mind) at Castle of Dreams.
This is a solely fanmade association, an association that may not even be there as elaborated upon above. ;)
Very well said, Sephy. You beat us all again.
I'm going based on the statement that the scene was "
a little while before KH0.2" when I say that it doesn't make logical sense at this time.
Yeah, I guess it could mean that it was a little while before Mickey started telling the story of 0.2. I don't like that explanation because it slyly slides around saying "after DDD" which would be much less misleading, but I mean, I guess you can't really expect them to NOT be slyly misleading about something that hasn't come out yet.
That would also put the scene in a point in time where LW could come and actually guide Aqua out of the RoD before KH3 if it becomes relevant.
Well, now I'm leaning towards 100% headcanon.
But yeah, it's entirely possible that it isn't related to what we've seen of 0.2 and Lingering Will will have more to do with Aqua during her time in the Dark Realm.
Which increases my hopes that she will see illusions of Ven and others too.
So no one is saying that this has to have happened before the end of KH2 since Namine joined with Kairi at the end of KH2. So the timeframe after CoM to before TWTNW makes the most sense cause she would have found LW connection to Sora by that point and been her own person.
To add onto all of this
We don't know that 0.2 is a single chunk of story, like Secret Episode was.
It can be easily seen that "A fragmentary passage" means that the "passage" is just a fragment of the larger story.
However, "fragmentary" could mean that the story is a collection of bits and pieces from the across the complete narrative.
We could in all likelihood see one or more timeskips during 0.2.
I personally thought BbSv2 was basically going to be a "This happened, but you didn't see it from this perspective" game. We would see what Aqua was doing in the dark realm, but we were also gonna see what Mickey was doing, what Riku was doing, and a host of other things we only assumed happened or were told about at some point. Chopped up bits and pieces of story here and there. Thinking about it that way, it probably wouldn't have made for a good "game", which could be why it never happened.
Now, we really are getting a fragmented story of a bigger even more fragmented story that we won't see (as it was originally intended to be seen)
To add onto all of this
We don't know that 0.2 is a single chunk of story, like Secret Episode was.
It can be easily seen that "A fragmentary passage" means that the "passage" is just a fragment of the larger story.
However, "fragmentary" could mean that the story is a collection of bits and pieces from the across the complete narrative.
We could in all likelihood see one or more timeskips during 0.2.
The reason why it's called 0.2 is because it's only telling Aqua's side of the story, but Nomura does mention that the timeline may be a bit spoilery as it starts immediately after BBSFM's secret episode but when it ends isn't touched upon, and since time flows differently in the realm of darkness, if we do skip ahead years and years, we wouldn't notice it.
[FONT="][I]In KH0.2BBS, the story is about Aqua as the main character in the Realm of Darkness? And the story would be talking about Aqua traveling in the Realm of Darkness for about 10 years? (Immediately after the Secret Episode of KHBBSFM ~ Meeting Ansem the Wise at the Dark Margin)
Nomura: That’s right. Because Aqua is the main character, it will become a story where she progresses in the Realm of Darkness. However, because time flows differently in the Realm of Darkness, it’s not simply 10 years. The beginning of the story will immediately begin after the secret episode of KHBBSFM. Since it is at the end of the story that may become spoilers, I can’t talk much about it yet. In the beginning of this story, just before we start our new journey in KH3, The King talks about reuniting with Aqua which has been kept secret, which will be the introduction.[/I][/FONT]
[FONT="][I]Please explain the meaning of the title 0.2 (A Fragmentary Passage)?
Nomura: In regards to the volume, it happens after KHBBS which would be considered the second chapter. Because you’re not playing a full volume, the term Fragment was left as the subtitle. In KHBBSFM’s Secret Episode, the words 0.5 appeared and that implies a full volume so 0.2 was chosen to imply the other parts that were left. However, the remaining portion will be explained in KH3 and wanted to showcase a title that is close to it.[/I][/FONT]
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August 12, 2016 @ 01:15 amOffline