I'm pacing such a tight circle I'm practically biting my own tail. We were all so sure that Daybreak Town had been broken into several pieces - The Keyblade Graveyard, Hollow Bastion, who knows - that the possibility that it might never have been destroyed at all never occurred to us! I propose that, after the apocalypse, Daybreak Town fell into the Realm of Sleep, the first of many worlds consumed by the Darkness.

The issue of the artificial worlds bordering Daybreak Town still exists. It's now clear why the Foretellers needed artificial worlds: those worlds aren't in the Realm of Sleep. The game may even be after Sora and Riku woke up the remaining sleeping worlds, leaving the Foretellers with nothing to work with. (EDIT: Of course, Shard's post below reminds me that the Realm of Sleep may be functionally timeless).

I have a feeling that if the Foretellers are using Data technology, they didn't invent it themselves. I suspect the Data technology came from the outside, via our cloaked friend. Who seems more and more likely to be an Organization member, someone who either used the data worlds as a bridge, or a Keyblade user who could Dive... which is even more worrying. The more paragraphs you go in my post, the more guesswork you're going to encounter. Best case scenario is that it's Riku, but how likely do you think that is given how the Foretellers have been behaving?

Presumably the Emblem Heartless got in through the data worlds. Or... maybe they're Nightmares in disguise? This is as new to me as it is to you.

Additional questions: Who is Ephemera? Who are we?

The realm of sleep is still a big unknown, even after Dream Drop Distance. Where does it exist? When does it exist? What are the seven keyholes of sleep exactly?

Before the Keyblade War there could be a different connection between all realms so maybe (probably not though) [chi] will shed some light on this.

Chirithy a Dream Eater?
Yeez, that opens a whole other can of worms, especially since Dream Eaters are supposed to be confined to the Realm of Sleep, a realm where time does not flow at all and which Heartless cannot reach.

Considering all worlds besides Daybreak Town are "illusions" (or dreams???) it does again throw up the question of where Daybreak Town itself is located.
However, if we go by the premise that in the old, united world before the Keyblade War the different realms like RoL and RoD didn't exist per se, it is also entirely possible that the Realm of Sleep didn't exist as well and the "Dream Eaters" like Chirithy were just another "race"/species native to the old, united world.

This is a big big big NEWS!!!

I wonder if, after DDD, Daybreak Town was restored to the Realm of Light. It seems so as we can "see" from the unseen footage of KH3!

And now that it is restored, event its inhabitants are alive again: can we meet the Foretellers?

Reposting Kaz's translations again because I always forget the CMS can't handle special characters:

I'm seeing some people say that Dream Eaters are confined to the Sleeping Worlds. Friendly reminder that this is not the case. Riku's able to bring his Dream Eaters into the waking world near the end of Dream Drop Distance because they came from Sora's dreams and Sora was still sleeping. They don't have to stay IN the dream; the dream just can't END without also ending their existence.

I'm dumb, so I can't make theories. So I'll just sit back and BE SURPRISED AS HELL, OMG

[SPOILER=Surprised][/SPOILER]

OK, I'm more confused now than I have ever been in the history of this franchise.

So, here are some thoughts (they are racing)
1) Daybreak Town is a Sleeping World
This would let DT appear in KHIII now that the Sleeping Worlds have been woken up.
Fairly obvious how it would become a Sleeping World.

2) Why are there Heartless in a Sleeping World?
Sora and Riku both carried Dream Eaters into the real world because they still slept.
But would a sleeping person be able to encounter Heartless in their dreams if they're in a real world?
There are no Heartless in The Grid or The World That Never Was in DDD, although there are multiple development reasons for this and may not be strictly related to canon.

3) Chirithy has a maker. The master of the Foretellers created them.
Are Dream Eaters artificial, as Emblem Heartless are? They have a sigil, despite supposedly being naturally-occurring as Pureblood Heartless are.
Dream Eaters have recipes.

I have no idea what's going on.

Well, everyone's assuming DT is in the RoS now; while I understand why, I wouldn't rule out DT being a data world yet.

Here's my theory: Foretellers' master (or foretellers? can't remember) creates dream eaters (chirities) to accompany and help the many keyblade wielders > Apocalypse > Chirities are traped into the RoS when the different planes come into existence > Chirities have offsprings or mutate or dream or something in the meantime, creating the DE we know today. The DE are clearly not part of the world's end retelling, so they had to come from somewhere ...

So Chirities' occurence in a data world can be explained as they were originaly there.

And I'm pretty sure all destroyed worlds fall into sleep (so sleeping worlds (and consequently the RoS) existed for as long as darkness existed), most came back at the end of KHI, some couldn't wake up and DDD address those ... Wasn't The Grid a sleeping world though? As for wether or not ALL sleeping worlds woke up after the seven keyholes were opened/sealed ... nobody knows.

Well.....Thanks for the Spoiler. the title alone is a REALLY big one. I came for the walkthrough help and found this...UGH

^Agree about the spoiler thing, this might still get a English release one day as well.
(ps, I love that sig lol)

On another note I think

Daybreak Town is connected to Traverse Town somehow and how it shows up when worlds are being destroyed, it's asleep (even though it didn't fall to darkness in KH I) and if I'm not mistaken is consistent of several worlds that have fallen to darkness.
I guess there could be 2 keyholes there because those keyholes belong to some other world that TT consist of but what are the odds of that right?

Aw, so basically it's saying the players are all basically just in a dream and none of the adventures meant anything? Shame, but in a way seems necessary so we the players don't get included in the Kingdom Hearts lore as itself. Though would've been nice in a way. Kinda figured it would happen eventually with Ephemera's talks. This makes me want a Kingdom Hearts virtual World where people could fully interact with Kingdom Hearts characters someday...

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This revelations says so much and yet so little.
So this'd mean Daybreak Town is a sleeping world meaning...why the flippity doo daa are there Heartless around? Did black coat dude bring 'em? If it's a sleeping world will the Foretellers be revived if the world awakens? Doesn't a sleeping world keep repeating it's last moments of before falling asleep? Could Ephemera deciding not to show up mean he knows something awful is gonna happen soon? And this still doesn't explain why Mickey crashed there!! What's going on!?!? BHBVGBIGVTCFBUOHDTYDFT!!!!!!!

People really think it's bullshit? That's exceptionally annoying.

This quite an amazing reveal. The plot of Chi is getting darker, and I like it.

Really trying to understand what will happen with this situation and if Ephemera will show up again.

I still haven`t gotten a clear picture yet what this revelations will fully mean, but this is very interesting. So now with the possibility of Daybreak Town being a sleeping world, do you think this might have a affect to DDD somehow? If DDD will be remastered, they can now connect it to Chi.
The clocked fella looks even more suspicious. Maybe Young Xehanort visited the Foretellers or something(you know when he was in the dream world)? My curiosity is growing even more stronger. Can`t wait to see what the next story update will bring us.

KH3 is getting really big with these connections to Chi, and I like it. I also really loved the idea of Foretellers being super bosses.

So does this mean we'll be seeing the realm of sleep again in 3? If it is a dream world and there is a guy in a black coat around then it can only mean it's important to Xehanort. What if the foretellers and their master never died but got trapped in the dream somehow?
Or maybe Xehanort is using the dream world to gather info of the war?

Its because the topic was saying that the articles were about the story, I never saw them before doing the stories myself. If was something like "NEW REVELATIONS ABOUT THE MAIN PLOT IN KH CHI" I wouldnt even open thread. but this was way too direct. I was looking for the walkthrough topic, right under this one....T~T

And its okay Sign (>T~T)> I wouldnt find any problem at all if the title of the topic wasnt such a huge spoiler by itself, thats all. I am sorry for being like this, but it really made me lost all the excitement for this new set missions.I can understand that the game is not played by a lot of people, that they just want to know about the plot. But we also have to look up for the ones that cant wait for every new mission upload.

Thats interesting. Maybe Xehanort and eraqus' Master made chirithy? The symbol on on the back reminds me of how Riku kept his powers in the real world. Also this chrithy business raises another question to me: If a chirithy is given to each key blade wielder then why don't Terra, Aqua, Ven, Sora, Mickey, and Riku have one? Did they die off or something?

Hmm it is soo hard to come up with anything since i have not played DDD...yet. Hopefully with my tax return i can play it to help understand this story a little more :/ .But so far this is interesting developments. =D

...Well this is not what I expected to come home to once I got off work. O_O

So we've now got the potential of DT being a Sleeping World in addition to being a Data World. The million Munny question now is about the timeframe. If it's before DDD, then how could Mickey and co travel there? Unless of course, they did so in the past and the world is replaying that over and over. If after, then why did Mickey and co travel there? I doubt they did so just for giggles.

And another is what of us? The last story update made us question our own existence, and this one's not helping either. Again, since the "story" seems to mainly happen to us, then just who the hell are we?

So if Chirithy is a dreameater and the player is in the Realm of Sleep, does that mean this game could take place at any point in the timeline? The first time these events happened may have been a long time ago. However since its a sleeping world now and the game is actually a "dreamlike" state of the past this could take place at any time. Even post-KH2. Sora also went back to the sleeping realm at the end of DDD. Could he have stumbled onto Daybreak Town on his second journey back and redeem himself to make him a true Keyblade Master?

Edit: Also, since the Mickeys, Donald, Goofy, etc. versions in the sleeping realm existed while they are all still awake. Does that mean that characters from chi could possibly still be awake?

Okay, first of all, hi everyone. I've been lurking here for years but now I had to make an account.

We know that Master Xehanort is curious about the keyblade war, and his plans are in the finish line, so, what if Daybreak Town is a sleeping world and the black coat is MX trying to figure out what happened so many yeas ago, so whatever he achives won't backfire?

Or it could be Braig. In the new scene from II.5 he says he has plans. Maybe he found DT in the RoS and wants to use it to stab MX in the back.

DT is probably a sleeping world. They replay their last moments before falling into darkness. And thats what happens now, we relive the last moments before the keyblade war.
About the other worlds not being real. Well, back then all the worlds were one, so Aladdin and the others were accesible, but now everything is separated. I think someone (Black Coat) told everything the Fortellers and gave them data worlds, so they can access those worlds to play out what happened back then. Chirithis are probably made by them to assure that no one realises that they are just a dream.

Oh, and Mickey and the others could get into through the data world. Just like how emblem heartless could be in a sleeping world.

NOMURA NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING US THIS GAME IN NORTH AMERICA

WE NEED A RE:CHI BECAUSE WHAT

If we're to say that chi takes place in the Realm of Sleep, and Chirithy are Dream Eaters, their relationship with the Keyblade wielders has taken an interesting and familiar twist.

Remember, Chirithy are capable of showing things in your sleep. Even occupying those dreams.
Knowing that these dreams are themselves within the Realm of Sleep... they're a dream within a dream.

Ring any bells?
As the player's "familiar," these Chirithy may just have the same special bond that Riku had with Sora in DDD.
The primary objective of a Dream Eater is to sniff out the Sleeping Keyholes. Unlocking them creates the power to awaken a sleeping heart.

I think Xehanort might be using the Chirithy en masse to awaken the hearts of the fallen Keyblade warriors and bring the fight to the Realm of Light. It'd be quite time consuming to go into each wielder's heart and undergo the same process Riku did in DDD a thousand times over, but Xehanort has shown himself to be incredibly patient and even more obsessed. Plus, given that the RoS is in a suspended state, he has all the time in the world.

It remains to be seen how the Lux or Book of Prophecy play a part in this--I've got some ideas brewing but not much time right now. But I have a feeling they may just be on a wild goose chase with regard to the Lux. Xehanort wants to keep them busy and make sure the factions are firmly divided so that they'll eventually clash. And those that catch on to this, like Ephemera, are snuffed out.

..I can see your point hemmo. I for one will be glad when I can get the PS3 I've been drooling over and finally, FINALLY truly catch up to the older games that I was forced to spoiler myself on b/c of no system or such. Spoilers are no substitute for the real thing, as I've seen over and over. As it is I've been keeping up with the story of Chi myself simply b/c I cannot read japanese (Heck, I only know about 3-4 words in japanese, and all of those I learned from either anime or from playing FFXI in the early going, mostly in self defense since the autotrans there can suck and in the past, missed important phrases like "No problem!"(I kinda had a habit of drive by raises or cures, so that sucked!)) and when I play a RPG..any kind of RPG..I want to be able to understand the story, and if I can't read the language, it takes most of the reason to play it away from me :mad:. I hope we do get some kinda english version of this! Tho the way you guys are doing these story summaries is 10000 times better than wiki spoilers (which is what I had to rely on for the games I missed).

As for Sora; I don't know, I have a feeling he's going to get back to the tower okay(or at the very least, meet up with Donald/Goofy okay), but if they plan on using Dream Eaters in KH3, we may get them as summons..In the dreaming worlds, like being able to summon Meow Wow in the dreaming world to fight with you. As for the rest, I'm enjoying the speculation here. Story is indeed heating up and I'd like to see how this ties to KH3..and what's going to happen!

One thing I do hope, from a KHX player's perspective, is to see Dream Eater enemies in the game. And Nobodies, if this happens to be set in the present. We've talked about this in the past but I'm going to say it again now that it seems more probable. More variety.

I have a theory but it may need suggestions it is said the keyblade war cause all the worlds to fall into darkness and then it was reborn at a point in time from the past so if this is in the past this could be the worlds before they were born and the foretellers somehow showing the player parts from the future and when daybreak town fell to darkness it was placed in the realm of sleep which the character now relives his past in an never ending cycle like all the other worlds in the realm of sleep

So I never post on here, but I was reading through and thought of something about how the worlds and realm are aligned and worlds are positioned.

So you've got the realm of Light and then you've got the realm inbetween where Twilight Town exists exactly in the middle of. we know Castle Oblivion/Land Of Departure, The World There Never Was, and mysterious tower all also exist on this plane and were all reachable via gummy ship/using lanes between.

Twilight town is where the realm of light starts to set so following that idea wouldn't daybreak town be where the realm
of light starts to come up?

what if the realms went realm of light, inbetween, darkness, sleep, and then turns back into the light. Little has been discussed what happens at the end of the realm of darkness, maybe that's where daybreak town is since its name implies it is twilight towns counterpart. Unless daybreak town became twilight town.

I'm just here to drop in to say that I feel bad for the player because everybody hates being stood up on a date. Mysterious silver haired boyfriend will return, just like Sora's silver haired bo–best friend.

RoS is so weird anyway. In DDD with Riku and Sora in the same worlds but in different time flows. Those rules apply to Daybreak Town too, awesome! Anyways... here's a theory for a good plot twist. Let's take a character from chi like Ephemera as an example. This game could build his back story and reveal some evil mastermind plan with Xehanort. Switch to outside the RoS and the real Ephemera, now grown older, is executing said plan. The main point is that any character in chi could very well be awake and continuing his/her goals and the purpose or secret could be revealed in the past. It's a great idea for the story.

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I just googled Ephemera's name and came up with a definition of "things that exist or are used or enjoyed for only a short time." Obviously he was named that for a reason, so I wonder if we'll see that play out in the near future.

I can't make heads or tails with this. I'm starting to think that Chirithy or Dream Eaters may have a connection to the keyblade or perhaps to keyblade wielders. It's just a feeling whether it makes sense or not. I don't know what to think about Chi at this point. So many possibilities are open.

Seriously? How is this even up for debate lol.

Even if you say "oh, time cycles in the RoS while time progresses in the real world," that is unjustifiable with what Yen Sid said. Real time does not flow. There would still be a temporal connection that would allow real time to flow in the RoS because you could actually make a chronological order of the times it has "cycled." Meaning, for example, during the events of KH1, La Cite des Cloches was repeating an event for the 10th time, and by the events of KH2, it was repeating them the 100th time.

In short, if any time spent in the RoS creates a passage of time of any increment in the real world, then real time flows in the RoS. Period.

If you need more proof, on the night of the storm, "time had stopped for the people on the world of Destiny Islands," as Nomura himself said.

Yen Sid said he recognized something was wrong immediately after sending them. "Oh shit! Why aren't they back yet? Could they be somewhere else?"

Perhaps it's not so much that time is moving for the realm but for the outsiders inside it? Riku says each world has it's own sense of time but if each world does then wouldn't it make sense that each person does as well?

•For instance. Those lost to sleep like the worlds and it's inhabitants have no sense of time. Just the flow of a dream. Nothing is real as it is a dream, even the flow of "time" they think they are experiencing in that dream.

•Or another example. Sora and Riku was active and about during KH1. Time for them was flowing but it wasn't for anyone that didn't escape Destiny Islands when it was lost.

Sora, Riku and Xehanort aren't trapped in sleep though. They are outsiders. So wouldn't it make sense that the flow of time we're seeing is from those three perspectives?
In KH2 Sora, Donald and Goofy are immune to the pirates gold because they are of another world and they speculate it's because of this that different rules apply. So we are likely seeing the same affect here.

The rules are different for them because they aren't a part of the dream like the worlds are.

We've uploaded the scenes with English subs! Thanks to Kazr10 for his translations and ShardofTruth for the KH font!

(Also I really shouldn't play with volume off lol)

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always turn on the volume during cutscenes! :D thanks for the vid

The feels from that scene. T_T

And the way it was said, makes me think that

Ephemera knew something more and that's why he stopped us from going in. What that is, we'll find out when it's our turn...

Because we're going in. that's a given. Especially now.

Waah, thanks for the vid <3
E-E-Ephemera-kuuunnn ç___ç don't sacrifice yourself, noo!!! I was already expecting to see him on KH3 Ç_Ç I'm in love, don't gooo ç_ç

Gotta say, I'm among the few that have evaded [chi] articles in hopes that this someday gets localized, and it would have been nice if the reveal were in the article and not the headline. This seems to be a major plot twist as far as this installment is concerned.

Now all the wheels in my head are turning.

Yikes, I have to agree about the title. Would it really have been worse to put "Revelation: Chirthy is a....." instead of spoiling the reveal to anyone actually playing?

I don't want to dissuade people from posting their opinions on this issue, but you're asking hypotheticals that have already been discussed up the thread.

Long story short: the mods deliberately chose to spoil everyone because most fans didn't care or are outright dismissive of the game. So yes, it would have been worse to cut off the spoiler, because their motive was to spoil. I don't agree with it either (I certainly think KHX players should have been given a day or two) but I feel like the discussion is backsliding.

I'm just going to throw this farfetched idea in here. This revelation and reading the discussion, I've been getting familiar feelings to FFX and the Fayth dreaming up Zanarkand. My mind is a jumbled mess trying to figure why I feel this way and how something similar would apply. Like the whole idea of Chi happening in real time as a dream with the present makes little sense, but feels like a possibility. I wasn't really sure where to take this idea, but I just wanted to share my nostalgic feelings.

It wouldn't be the first time KH has borrowed plot from a Final Fantasy game. I've been waiting for the Cloud of Darkness to show up for years now.

Actually, though it goes into fanfic territory, I want to see Maleficent and the Cloud of Darkness face off.

I would love Shantotto and I haven't even played FFXI.

so chi is in the RoS

which means mickey showing up

and

keyblade war

horse clan

um

square you've got ten months give us this damn game or incorporate the story into a 3DHD somehow