Nomura on the title of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8, 0.1 in Kingdom Hearts 3
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- Published on September 20, 2015 @ 02:18 pm
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Famitsu was able to sit down with Kingdom Hearts Series Director Tetsuya Nomura to discuss the brand new title in the series, Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue. In this piece of the interview, he explains the reasoning behind the collection and the games included in the collection, dispels possibility of a "Kingdom Hearts 2.9" game, and discusses why Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 is on PS4 only!
We will be translating the full interview, but for now read the translation of the first part below thanks to Zephyr:
––So after KH1.5 and KH2.5, then came 2.8. I was surprised. Please tell us the origin of the title that contains 2.8.
Nomura: It contains a bit of meaning. First, we considered the types of games that are being included such as KH3D and with the previous work being 2.5… it would be positioned as “2.6” corresponding to the works. And there’s χ, Unchained χ, and χ Back Cover, being part of the Chi series, I believe would be called the “0” with Sora’s absence. In KHBBS it’s “0.1” and this time KH0.2BBS includes the title “0.2”. So, “2.6”+”0”+”0.2” comes out as a number that turns into “2.8”.
––I see! Numberings along the timeline of the series have been brought so adding them together would bring it to that.
Nomura: In the secret episode of KHBBSFM, I believe it displayed “0.5”. After that it would be a full volume sequel to BBS. Being a sequel to BBS as a full volume, it was supposed to advance as “0.5”but because KH3 is still a priority, this time “0.1” went up one step to “0.2”.
––So, is it possible that KH2.9 might be released?
Nomura: The next one is KH3 (laughs). There is a subtitle in 2.8 that has “Final Chapter”. Because of its prologue implications, KH3 would be the final chapter of the Dark Seeker series. With the meaning of 0.1 left, you will understand it in KH3.
––That “0.1” is worrisome… with KH2.8 being only on the PS4, KH1.5 and KH2.5 was released on the PS3 and was it difficult to transition?
Nomura: Because of the gameplay of KH0.2BBS, it uses KH3’s tech and it will only work on the PS4. Since the current development situation has become one for the PS4, it would be difficult to make it for the PS3. In addition, for the players, we wanted to show the atmosphere of KH3 even just a little. For KH0.2BBS, it’s not exactly the same but it incorporates some of the system from KH3.
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Re: Nomura on the title of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8,
thank you nomura for confrirming 2.9 rumors and that 2.8 is 2.9
I can't believe your still going on about that.
Also thank you Nomura for dodging the aspect of 1.5 & 2.5 being on PS3. Console spread still lives.
Re: Nomura on the title of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8,
I can't believe your still going on about that.
Also thank you Nomura for dodging the aspect of 1.5 & 2.5 being on PS3. Console spread still lives.
2 consoles (sort of 3 but everybody owns a phone and if they don't how do they survive) is better than like 5 or whatever it was before.
And we already know post KH3 they will have one massive collection. There is just no way that is happening. If people want to complain? Go ahead, but Nomura has tried his best to get these games onto as few places as possible and look at that! He has.
(Please know my irritation isn't directed solely at your comment but at most people who complain. This issue exists for a number of series, and I only see this complaining happen with KH on a near daily basis no matter what game is brought up)
Re: Nomura on the title of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8,
I can't believe your still going on about that.
Also thank you Nomura for dodging the aspect of 1.5 & 2.5 being on PS3. Console spread still lives.
0.1 will be a real KH3 demo before KH3?
Or did i understand nothing?
Re: Nomura on the title of Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8,
2 consoles (sort of 3 but everybody owns a phone and if they don't how do they survive) is better than like 5 or whatever it was before.
2 is still better than five like you said. Plus that's ten games on four discs and two Sony Consoles because all the other Consoles shouldn't matter right now.
really enough already we saw that 2.9 leak said atrractions flow which is going to be in 0.2 which is why they moved it ps4 and changed the number if you dont want to believe me that fine but with nomura saiing the next game is kh3 that dispel the 2.9 rumors
He was merely pointing out that you are still insisting on bringing up the 2.9 LinkedIn leak at every opportunity instead of moving on from it like everyone else did once 2.8 was announced, not disagreeing with... whatever you just said that has no relevance here.
0.1 will be a real KH3 demo before KH3?
Or did i understand nothing?
It will become clear when the rest of the interview goes up xD
You guys are missing the point and its time to giddy up!
"Kingdom Hearts 3 is next"
AAAAHHHHHHH!!!
He was merely pointing out that you are still insisting on bringing up the 2.9 LinkedIn leak at every opportunity instead of moving on from it like everyone else did once 2.8 was announced, not disagreeing with... whatever you just said that has no relevance here.
Ufff thank God.... I feel more relaxed.... So in other words, 2017 is the year for KHIII
I didn't understand the 2.9 part. Does Nomura mean that the 0.1 missing from 2.9 to 3.0 is part of Kingdom Hearts III, being the real prologue. And what about the 0.1 from 2.8 to 2.9 then?
Also, it seems BBS Volume Two is indeed 0.5 and not 0.2. I'm a bit uneasy about the 0.1 being BBS itself and 0 being the [chi] saga though, does that mean that the mere 100 year gap from the Famitsu preview is actually true? Maybe this is more evidence that [chi] is not really set in the time of the Keyblade War but plays at a different time.
I didn't understand the 2.9 part. Does Nomura mean that the 0.1 missing from 2.9 to 3.0 is part of Kingdom Hearts III, being the real prologue. And what about the 0.1 from 2.8 to 2.9 then?
Also, it seems BBS Volume Two is indeed 0.5 and not 0.2. I'm a bit uneasy about the 0.1 being BBS itself and 0 being the [chi] saga though, does that mean that the mere 100 year gap from the Famitsu preview is actually true? Maybe this is more evidence that [chi] is not really set in the time of the Keyblade War but plays at a different time.
I think what is trying to be elaborated is that there is something between the gaps of 0.2 and KH3 that will be addressed in KH3.
I was thinking the 0.1 was saying there would be a small time gap between 0.2 and KH3 kind of like how there is a gap between KH1 and KH2 just less drastic. It might account for Sora's sudden amazing new skills and keyblade like perhaps Sora goes through proper training off screen thus completely avoiding any need to explain Sora's improved abilities at the start of KH3, but will be something they can flashback. I mean Yensid did say he needs to be taught the proper way and...well no matter how you stand nothing in DDD qualifies as "proper" training it's just more self teaching. Then again I'm just spitballing the full interview will probably make whatever he was saying clearer.
It is actually explained a bit better here:
Nomura on 3DHD becoming playable, 0.2's story and gameplay - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Agreeing with Master here, two consoles instead of five is better. I am also kinda tired about hearing this issue all the time when speaking about KH. This is the way things unfortunately are going to be... just give up and move on please.
The name of this tittle is still kinda strange(which does not bother me that much to be honest), but it is cool to see that there is a logic behind the naming.
Also Nomura saying that KHIII is next shut up`s the jokester`s who say there is gonna be KH:2.9/djveee90r43ur etc... before KHIII.
| Because of the gameplay of KH0.2BBS, it uses KH3’s tech and it will only work on the PS4. Since the current development situation has become one for the PS4, it would be difficult to make it for the PS3. In addition, for the players, we wanted to show the atmosphere of KH3 even just a little. For KH0.2BBS, it’s not exactly the same but it incorporates some of the system from KH3. |
Hmm, I wonder. What Nomura precisely means when he mentions the atmosphere? Is he just talking about how the gameplay and the worlds are gonna work etc... Or maybe he means the atmosphere in a different sense. Like KHIII is gonna be really dark or something like that. What a better way to show this, than a gameplay section in the Realm of Darkness, the most depressing place found in KH universe.
It is actually explained a bit better here:
Nomura on 3DHD becoming playable, 0.2's story and gameplay - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Hrm so...hrm...Okay I give I don't quite get what he is saying. Is he saying there is actually a part of KH3 in 0.2 but it's a part of KH3 that we won't experience in KH3 yet will still touch upon, with that part being the missing 0.1?
lol at the collections not coming to the PS4. I'll believe it only when I have KH3 and not the rest for PS4 on my hands.
Hrm so...hrm...Okay I give I don't quite get what he is saying. Is he saying there is actually a part of KH3 in 0.2 but it's a part of KH3 that we won't experience in KH3 yet will still touch upon, with that part being the missing 0.1?
Pretty much.
Because 0.2 is short, they aren't able to tell the full story of what BBSv2 was going to cover. That gap will be addressed. It is probably referring to the shots of Riku, Kairi, DiZ, & Namine in "A fragmentary passage" in BBSFM. Some of it will have to be covered in KH3 since it is relevant to the story, but the rest...yeah...we probably won't learn all that there is to know.
Because 0.2 is short, they aren't able to tell the full story of what BBSv2 was going to cover. That gap will be addressed. It is probably referring to the shots of Riku, Kairi, DiZ, & Namine in "A fragmentary passage" in BBSFM. Some of it will have to be covered in KH3 since it is relevant to the story, but the rest...yeah...we probably won't learn all that there is to know.
Wait, isn't the missing gap between 0.2 and 0.5 (BBS 2) 0.3? I thought he was talking about the gap between 2.8 and 3.0. Since these are actual dates I'm not sure what is accomplished by adding them up.
Let’s not go to Kingdom Hearts, ‘tis a silly place.
Wait, isn't the missing gap between 0.2 and 0.5 (BBS 2) 0.3? I thought he was talking about the gap between 2.8 and 3.0. Since these are actual dates I'm not sure what is accomplished by adding them up.
Let’s not go to Kingdom Hearts, ‘tis a silly place.
haha
"Although there is a story that exists for this, there are no plans to release it as a package that was shown in KHBBSFM’s “A Fragmentary Passage”. However, since it is exists as a setting, I had touched a little in planning the beginning of KH3 and I thought it would be good opportunity. However, it’s not affecting the progress of KH3 and because “0.5” is not a full volume, it would be “0.2”. Because it is a fragment, “Fragmentary Passage” was left as a subtitle."
When he says this...There is a story for the whole bulk of "A fragmentary passage", the secret ending in BBSFM, but 0.2 won't tell it because it is short and...blah I'm too tired for Nomura.
"With the meaning of 0.1 left, you will understand it in KH3."
Straight from the horses mouth lads. This final chapter prologue is actually the last one. So satisfying to hear that. Square's definition on "final" is a bit warped so im glad we have conformation???
Guys...
1.5 + 2.5 + 2.8 + 0.2 = 7
Guys...
1.5 + 2.5 + 2.8 + 0.2 = 7
why does he like the number so much?
why does he like the number so much?
7 and 13 are rather big numbers in different cultures and religions in general.
Guys...
1.5 + 2.5 + 2.8 + 0.2 = 7
Wasn't Sephiroth0812 the first one to figure this out the night that they announced 2.8?
Except why list 0.2 separate when Nomura just said the reason they arrived at 2.8 was because of "2.6+0+0.2" meaning the 0.2 is already included in 2.8 and isn't separate lol
Wasn't Sephiroth0812 the first one to figure this out the night that they announced 2.8?
I was sleep when that happened so idk?
Except why list 0.2 separate when Nomura just said the reason they arrived at 2.8 was because of "2.6+0+0.2" meaning the 0.2 is already included in 2.8 and isn't separate lol
shhh, Nomura's clearly wrong.
Actually the reminds me of something sent to me by an asker on the tumblr I help run that went something like this...
0.2+2.8=3
3+1.5+2.5=7
7+1+2+3=13
13+the rest of the series=20
Ten Games (not counting remakes)=10=X
KH3
7 Lights
13 Darkness
20 Pieces
X
I feel like the .01 he's talking about will be the tutorial of KH3. Maybe we will get some playtime with Young Xehanort and Eraqus.
I feel like the .01 he's talking about will be the tutorial of KH3. Maybe we will get some playtime with Young Xehanort and Eraqus.
*tries not to be excited about the potential of playing at Young Xehanort but fails miserably*
What I don't understand is why only made for the Playstation 4 some people can't afford it, and some of us have a Playstation 3 so why not make it for both wouldn't that make more sense you are still making money no matter what
What I don't understand is why only made for the Playstation 4 some people can't afford it, and some of us have a Playstation 3 so why not make it for both wouldn't that make more sense you are still making money no matter what
If they made it for PS3 then you'd only get HD:DDD. Back Cover and 0.2 are the reason why this game is for PS4.
What I don't understand is why only made for the Playstation 4 some people can't afford it, and some of us have a Playstation 3 so why not make it for both wouldn't that make more sense you are still making money no matter what
They can't make BC and 0.2 for the PS3 because the tech is optimized for current generation hardware. PS3 is almost 10 years old and is highly outdated.
Also, you'll need a PS4 to play KH3 so at this point you have but two options:
1) Save money to buy a PS4, 2.8, and KH3
2) Don't buy a PS4 which means not playing 2.8 and KH3
It sucks but we are in year two of the current generation. PS3 was going to be phased out at some point, and that point is starting now.
To be honest this was for the best KH3 won't be on the PS3 so you're going to have to get a PS4 eventually. Though I suppose you might have an X1 but well X1 is already screwed on 1.5 and 2.5 so 2.8 is just continuing that trend. You can really tell that MS must have money hatted it very late as an attempt to weaken Sony's showing that year/cash in on the KH3 hype Sony had built.
To be honest this was for the best KH3 won't be on the PS3 so you're going to have to get a PS4 eventually. Though I suppose you might have an X1 but well X1 is already screwed on 1.5 and 2.5 so 2.8 is just continuing that trend. You can really tell that MS must have money hatted it very late as an attempt to weaken Sony's showing that year/cash in on the KH3 hype Sony had built.
I mentioned this somewhere else before, but I'm starting to think that Microsoft didn't moneyhat (at least not as much) like people think. It's certainly possible but at that time Matsuda had just become president of SE and was making a ton of changes. It seems likely that he, in part, pushed for FFXV and KH3 to be multiplatform as a plan to become a more global company.
Hrm that's a good point but that doesn't really explain why 1.5, 2.5, and 2.8 are kind all screwing over the X1. I feel like if they were striving for a more global company you would start with KH3 and 1.5 not just KH3.
Hrm that's a good point but that doesn't really explain why 1.5, 2.5, and 2.8 are kind all screwing over the X1. I feel like if they were striving for a more global company you would start with KH3 and 1.5 not just KH3.
To be fair, Square always viewed Play Station as the real console for KH3. They even announced it at Sony's conference and didn't even mention it was coming to XBox until much later. They'll probably port the games over if KH3 does well on Xbone
To be fair, Square always viewed Play Station as the real console for KH3. They even announced it at Sony's conference and didn't even mention it was coming to XBox until much later. They'll probably port the games over if KH3 does well on Xbone
Ha. Kingdom Hearts selling well on Xbox. That's a good one.
Actually the reminds me of something sent to me by an asker on the tumblr I help run that went something like this...
0.2+2.8=3
3+1.5+2.5=7
7+1+2+3=13
13+the rest of the series=20
Ten Games (not counting remakes)=10=X
KH3
7 Lights
13 Darkness
20 Pieces
X
Dat numerology tho
*tries not to be excited about the potential of playing at Young Xehanort but fails miserably*
I always seem to fail at that too. Weird...
So 0.2 is not the real Volume Two, and there will still be a 0.5?
So 0.2 is not the real Volume Two, and there will still be a 0.5?
Eh. I feel like you can take it a few ways. That originally 0.5 was a full volume, but they realize they didn't have the ability to tell it as a full playable volume. They included 0.2 because of the necessary information but renamed it since it wasn't a full game.
So now the question is, does this mean 0.5 is gone forever and will only exist as 0.2? Does this mean the rest of what was meant to be in 0.5 will be included in KH3 in some fashion (as in, like, the story part)? Or does it mean some time after KH3 they hope to get back and do a proper 0.5?
It's not clear by the interview, but honestly, I think a mixture of one and two is way more likely than them ever doing a proper 0.5.
Eh. I feel like you can take it a few ways. That originally 0.5 was a full volume, but they realize they didn't have the ability to tell it as a full playable volume. They included 0.2 because of the necessary information but renamed it since it wasn't a full game.
So now the question is, does this mean 0.5 is gone forever and will only exist as 0.2? Does this mean the rest of what was meant to be in 0.5 will be included in KH3 in some fashion (as in, like, the story part)? Or does it mean some time after KH3 they hope to get back and do a proper 0.5?
It's not clear by the interview, but honestly, I think a mixture of one and two is way more likely than them ever doing a proper 0.5.
My guess is anything that was planned for BBS Vol 2 that isn't in 0.2, will be included in KH3 in some fashion.
Decimals, decimals everywhere ... Man, this is why I love KH.
From what I understood, 0.2 is just a shorter version of 0.5, so no important (story) stuff is left out (I hope). I doubt they'll go back to BBS vol2 now anyways ... Still awesome stuff.
So, I may be a little confused. Both from what Nomura later said and from what folks here are discussing, a "0.1" may be some mysterious KH3 flashback-variety material, possibly that with Eraqus and Xehanort. However doesn't Nomura also note a bit further above that "0.1" is what he would call BbS?
Of course, based on the BbS secret movie, I had up until this point considered BbS the "Zero point" and Chi as...perhaps in the negatives, but I suppose this is the canon now.
So 0.2 is not the real Volume Two, and there will still be a 0.5?
I'm dying to get the answer to this too. Can an expert confirm this please. Thanks.
I'm dying to get the answer to this too. Can an expert confirm this please. Thanks.
*clears throat*
Eh. I feel like you can take it a few ways. That originally 0.5 was a full volume, but they realize they didn't have the ability to tell it as a full playable volume. They included 0.2 because of the necessary information but renamed it since it wasn't a full game.
So now the question is, does this mean 0.5 is gone forever and will only exist as 0.2? Does this mean the rest of what was meant to be in 0.5 will be included in KH3 in some fashion (as in, like, the story part)? Or does it mean some time after KH3 they hope to get back and do a proper 0.5?
It's not clear by the interview, and Nomura has yet to say clearly, but honestly, I think a mixture of one and two is way more likely than them ever doing a proper 0.5.
>.>
Your response brings more questions than answers to my question. XD Sigh :( Thank you, anyway.
I always sense it's so arbitrary these numbers and decimals even though Nomura give reasoning behind them. It's so... out of his behind. Had this been called 2.8321 and Nomura gave a reason for it, we'd then just have to deal with it. LOL I'm just sayin
0.2 might not be what BBSv2 was originally envisioned as but that's the same as the conceptual trailer of DDD not reflecting the final vision of the game.
Things change for multitudes of reasons.
0.2 might not be what BBSv2 was originally envisioned as but that's the same as the conceptual trailer of DDD not reflecting the final vision of the game.
Things change for multitudes of reasons.
Where can I view this conceptual trailer for DDD? Please guide me the way to enlightenment!
Where can I view this conceptual trailer for DDD? Please guide me the way to enlightenment!
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Hot damn, I'd never seen that 2011 trailer. They make the combat look so much more awesome than it ended up being in the final game. Either that, or I just really sucked at Flowmotion attacks.
Hot damn, I'd never seen that 2011 trailer. They make the combat look so much more awesome than it ended up being in the final game. Either that, or I just really sucked at Flowmotion attacks.
I think you just really suck at FlowMotion attacks :p
The only thing from that that isn't really in the game is the part where Sora slams into the Electricity thing in District 3 and then uses it in his attacks. Everything else more or less is doable in the game.
Wasn't there an interview of Nomura saying how Birth By Sleep Volume 2 wasn't exactly how he wanted to release it?
Wasn't there an interview of Nomura saying how Birth By Sleep Volume 2 wasn't exactly how he wanted to release it?
Old or new interview?
Old or new interview?
It's old but not too old.
It's old but not too old.
---Many of our fans are excited to see the Birth by Sleep Final Mix secret ending, which mentions Birth by Sleep Volume 2. What were your thoughts behind including this?
Nomura: I suppose you could say that the ideas are "floating". See, Birth by Sleep Volume 2 was never meant to be the second chapter of Birth by Sleep. Rather, it was intended to be a separate piece. The ideas are still there, but they are not currently being pursued. Perhaps in the future we will have the opportunity to touch back upon this subject.
---Many of our fans are excited to see the Birth by Sleep Final Mix secret ending, which mentions Birth by Sleep Volume 2. What were your thoughts behind including this?
Nomura: I suppose you could say that the ideas are "floating". See, Birth by Sleep Volume 2 was never meant to be the second chapter of Birth by Sleep. Rather, it was intended to be a separate piece. The ideas are still there, but they are not currently being pursued. Perhaps in the future we will have the opportunity to touch back upon this subject.
Is that the only one? Then I guess that's one. Seems like he knew what was intended to be released but I could've sworn he said something but not exactly how he intended to be.
I think you just really suck at FlowMotion attacks :p
I was atrocious at Flowmotion, man. Could not get the damn thing to work for me. The parkour stuff alone, I was all over the place. I didn't even try doing it in the combat after my first few awful tries.
But hey, now that it'll be way easier to control with a Dualshock 4, maybe I can learn how to use it properly.
I was pretty good at controlling Flowmotion. It was really fun trying to estimate the distance of the jumps, and there were times where I set foot on the ground only very briefly. A really fun system when you learn to control it. :D
But still, I think it needs little adjustments.
Heh, the picture Audo posted is perfect.
Yessss. I used to post that first one around the forums constantly.
lol Taochan summarized in one picture.
I thought that said years instead of tears later haha. Either would apply in this case.
Beautiful .
gosoxtim
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