This is taking things to a whole new level. I'm so excited to see how the rest of the story plays out. And I can't wait to see the backstory filled in with Back Cover. This is so intense!!!

hey everybody what do you think each forteller looks like without there mask on?

D:

Jokes aside, I hope they have unique and own facial structure. Connetions are nice and all, but it would be sad if the Foretellers would be a bunch clones. I think we have had enough of them.

They are obliviously going to be different, obliviously they have the same color of hair as existing people. (Ira has white hair, Ava has brown hair, etc.) But still, they might have similar traits to existing characters but have different facial structures. On a different topi where do you think the

​Dandelions

​will end up after traveling forward in time? I would say the Land Of Departure.

But we haven't seen their hair, I think. We haven't even seen their eyes. And what if that white hair just happens to be part of Ira's mask?

Its heavily implied. But seriously, where do the ​Dandelions even arrive to anyway?

There's... absolutely nothing that implies any of the Foretellers' hair colors as of now.

According to Ava, the plan is for the Dandelions to flee to the "outside world" when war breaks out and everything goes to hell. Whatever that means is up to Wild Mass Guessing for now.

Correct, their hoods and masks are designed to not diverge anything towards both eyes and hair.
The Silver hair on Ira's hood is the mane of the unicorn, just like Ava and Gula have the ears of their animals jutting out of their hood.

Ira even has a metal "mouth/cheek"-piece that further obscures his features.

Personally I'd game for the Foretellers having some more usually common, yet in KH heavily underused eye colors like hazel or grey.
Ephemera is already a refreshing "combo-breaker" with his green eyes.

I love Ephemera in all, and also Skuld. But while the player is freezing to death on the Keyblade Graveyard, they aren't coming to save us. But still they are a almost unbreakable trio, even if the player is the stronger one in their little group.

To be fair though, they're more gray in Back Cover.

I love Ephemera in all, and also Skuld. But while the player is freezing to death on the Keyblade Graveyard, they aren't coming to save us. But still they are a almost unbreakable trio, even if the player is the stronger on in their little group.

We don't really know the context though. They could already be dead, though more likely they're in this outside world Ava's talking about, since they're Dandelions and have avoided the conflict.

The context from what we have seen is the player survived the war, but is worn out and slowly freezing while in pain. Ephemera and Skuld already escaped, and I am amusing the player almost escaped. But Kingdom Hearts might save us.

I'm always astounded anew how different people perceive colors.
It may have also to do with the lighting and angle of viewing though as to me they were clearly green even in Back Cover.

But for comparison let's have a full view of our curious flowerboy in Back Cover:

Looks like Flowerboy here has a green ring of color around his pupil.

Teal, maybe. Not green though.

Looks more like a greenish, tealish color

So more in the vein of Riku, huh?
Speaking of it, I recently found an "eye-comparison" sheet for most major original characters via Google, lolz:



Turns out that except Sora, Ventus and Roxas who are meant to have the exact same eyes, blue isn't always equaling blue and Master Eraqus seems to have a unique mixed grey/black eye color.

To sum up eye colors, Ephemera has a Cyan color. Skuld has an amber color. And the Player is our choice. So they all have unique eye colors. But I think Ephemera has eye colors change depending on what time it is.

Ephemera's eyes are the same color as the player's (in JPUx and KHx, NAUx gave the some of the different face options different eye colors), he uses the default male avatar's face.

That is why I said the player depends on our choice. Because we have no solid eye color. Also how is the player going to be featured inside the Back Cover? Are they going to poll with what keyblade, gender, features, clothing the player should have? Or just throw on the Black Coat and call it a day?

Wait, so that means Ephemera has changing eye colors depending on the player avatar in the actual game?
Is he secretly Noctis' little brother? ;P

>Enter dramatic music here<

Nah, but if you're playing the male avatar with the default face option, you'll look like twins. Ephemera always has the male avatar's default face.
(All of the faces in KHx/JPUx have the same blue eyes, NAUx probably just changed that for the player base.)

Depends. Has Nomura declared Ephemera to be another one of his sons yet? :P

We wait till he does. Also how are the going to show the player in the Back Cover? It make no sense!

What d'you mean it makes no sense? The player will probably be represented by that default male appearance that shows up alongside Mickey in the app icon. Simple as that.

The player isn't going to be Back Cover's main focus anyways, so it's not really a big deal.

The Back Cover focuses on the Foretellers and events leading up to the keyblade war. They even had the Dandelion scene in the trailer! Also a few we have never seen before (Ava watches Gula get striked down by Aced​)

Yes, I'm very aware of that. Your point?

Ah, I see.
(Seriously, sometimes I wonder about the Japanese fetish for blue eyes getting out of hand. Giving only blue as color option is a little sad.
Especially since in the real world blue eyes are actually the second rarest. Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires character editor gives the choice between 14 different eye colors.)



As far as I know not yet, but I'll say it'll may depend on what future role Ephemera may play in the series (if there is one, that is).

It means Skuld, Ephemera, and us will make some appearance. So I more questioned about, they will make an appearance and the player is the biggest problem. In other words, we are part of the story as the events unfold.

What do we even call that trio? I am tempted to call them the flower trio.

Is that really a Japanese thing? I just figured that blue eyes were popular in general, for whatever weird psychological reasons we got embedded in our human minds.

Rarity is usually obsessed with, like how people like green just as much as blue. They are both extremely rare eye colors.

We've never even seen all three of them together at any point of this story. -.-

Ephemera is trapped in Unchained, Skuld and the player are looking for a way to Unchained to find him. So it could be amused they have a strong bond with one another. Like Ephemera talks to the Player using dreams, or Skuld staying by the players side when they pass out. ​So it would be amused they are a trio.

You're quite jumping to conclusions here as it is nowhere confirmed yet that Ephemera, Skuld and the Player Avatar definitely form a trio nor that the Player Avatar is important enough to warrant an actual appearance in Back Cover.
You mention the Dandelion scene from the trailer, but fact is the Player Avatar didn't join the Dandelions. Of the important named characters only Ava and Skuld are present in that scene, not even Ephemera



Sure they are popular in more areas around the world, yet Japanese (and some other asian countries) tend to use them the most.
It's just something to take note of that the western version allows different eye colors while japanese are "limited" to only blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYWeBuvvvbQ

That one was the one in the trailer. It is the fountain scene, and Ava most likely comes up with it after that talk.

​So basically, Ephemera set the whole Dandelion idea in motion.

You know, the "being able to see through your Other's eyes" thing was already kind of confirmed in the BbS novel, I think (if we want to count that as canon).

IIRC, can't Vanitas see what's going on in Ventus' life somehow, and that's how he gets the inside information on TVAE and how to manipulate them?

And wasn't Vanitas also jealous of Ven's bonds with Terra and Aqua, because of what he got to see of them together?

Once again, as this is the novel (and as far as I know, no one's actually translated this section, and there's instead just a, perhaps, biased summary about it online), it may not bear any significance towards the plot.

But some food for thought maybe, anyway:)

Especially since I'm like 99.9% certain that Vanitas was Norted, with his gold eyes and all, which would add some weight to people on here's theory.

That is the fountain scene between Ava and Ephemera, at that time Skuld wasn't even introduced yet and it also doesn't require the Player avatar in any form.

The last Xehanort Report talks about this, actually:

Vanitas can feel some of what Ventus feels, and he says Terra is the key. Ventus has loved Terra like a real brother ever since he let him keep his old wooden Keyblade. It seems we have found a loose thread at which we can tug to unravel Ventus's heart.

One at a time, one at a time. Skuld has relevance to the story, pretty obvious on her part. And the Player was a vital point for knowing the world is ending, through dreams from Ephemera. So in other words, Skuld and Ephemera are vital and the Player is up to the eye of the viewer.

Eh, it was Skuld who got the dream from Ephemera telling her that the world was going to end, not the Player. The three have never been together in the same scene, the closest you could probably get so far is when Skuld mentions that Ephemera told her to meet Player in a dream.

They never will unite. You know why, obviously because well...


Skuld and Ephemera most likely do though.


If you don't know why I said the Player won't unite with Ephemera, this picture should be context enough

Hey, the player might be slowly dying, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will actually die. It's a pretty common trope for the main character to be at death's door but gets saved by someone or something. That sort of thing has happened several times in KH already.

I mean, Unchained has been confirmed to have a "season two" after the end this fall. We need our player character to continue playing, don't we? =w=

How do you continue after a WAR? Unless Kingdom Hearts or the Dandelions save us. And the "Season Two" is about trying to rebuild the world. -w- Also how are they going to use medals? If they get destroyed in the War?

Or we die and a new person takes over...Or we play as Ephemera and Skuld.

If surviving a war was impossible, the human race would be extinct by now.

Unless Kingdom Hearts or the Dandelions save us. And the "Season Two" is about trying to rebuild the world. -w- Also how are they going to use medals? If they get destroyed in the War? Or we die and a new person takes over...Or we play as Ephemera and Skuld.

Remember Ava's talk about how the Dandelions would leave the current world to re-experience things over and over like a dream, for training? It's quite possible that Unchained is that "dream" that they were supposed to escape to; it's similar to Chi but not quite the same, and unlike Chi, it's going to survive the apocalypse in a few months.

I really wouldn't be surprised if some force or being- whether that's the Dandelions, Skuld or Ephemera, or Kingdom Hearts itself- deus-ex-machinas the player out of the Keyblade Graveyard.

I would be surprised if we were suddenly limited to controlling only Skuld or Ephemera, honestly. Unchained probably isn't going to ditch its multiplayer aspect anytime soon, and character customization has been a big part of the game since the beginning. It'd be pretty boring and disappointing if everyone was just reduced to a crowd of Skulds and Ephemeras, as much as I like their designs.

Oh god, that would be surrealism. Also if the Player gets saved they are mentally going to be broken as well as emotionally, that would make for interesting gameplay though. Also season two cannot be just training because Ava was slayed, so it would probably be something else. Also we won't be able to use Medals/Cards anymore, so something else would have to be done.

We obviously won't be using cards after September, since that's when PC chi is shutting down for good, but I don't see the medal system being done away with anytime soon for Unchained. They make up the core part of combat, and are one of the main selling points for the game.

They can just add something exactly like it. But change it to fit the setting a bit more.

Plenty of FF characters have survived and even recovered from massive emotional trauma and mindfcks. I recall that Cloud has a huge identity crisis made even worse by mako poisoning, which left him mentally broken and an unresponsive, wheelchair-bound stupor. He got better.
So, I don't think that the player recovering is too much of a stretch.


No... it wouldn't. Browser Chi and the cards are the ones that are ending, not Unchained and the medals.
Besides, I really, REALLY don't want to think about the amount of whining we'd have t put up with if Unchained suddenly zeroed out our progress on our medals and replaced it with a new system. Actually, you know what, I'd be complaining too, because I don't like it when I waste my money.

Well, somehow they need to make up a reason for medals to stay. They are after all "Powers from the future". I would be complaining also tbh. I have OP medals and don't want them gone.

Why do you think the medals are going to disappear in the first place? I'm not quite following your logic here.
It's not like the advent of the Keyblade War is going to cancel out this future, since, as you know, it's a pivotal event that leads to the KH-verse as we know it. Really, it's more like they'd have to create an excuse for why the medals'd have to not stay.

The medals are from the Book of Prophecies, so they most likely have the book with them.

Ok, that's nice. And what does this have to do with getting rid of the medals?

You know, they explained how the Medals are made, but never how to restore the power of the future back into it. I would assume they could break if they are pushed beyond the limit. Or if someone wants all Medals back into the book they do something. Honestly, I am stating the players medals would go away, because of the war they where in.

But I should have been more detailed of what I was referring towards. I was originally meaning the player would lose medals, then somehow get the medals they had restored.

That's just pure assumption.

Yep, its just a theory. What other info do you have about this "Season Two"?

literally nothing because that's all that was revealed?

A theory generally needs to have a bit more than guesswork to it. .-.
Darknado's right, all we know is there will be a season two. Nothing else yet.

Guess we have to wait and see.

​RIP DAYBREAK TOWN

I was kinda amusing that the player used all the medals power to survive the war. Also the clash of keyblades was powerful enough to end the world, so I think the medals would at least have some chance to be damaged or broken.

We have literally nothing to support that medals can even be strained or broken.

Exactly, any idea on how people use medals though? Like its implied that it is on the keyblade itself.

Nothing much there, either. The most I've gathered is that the medals can be set in the Keyblade. The medals themselves are "fragments of the future," and their power can be channeled through the Keyblade.
I guess it should be noted that it IS possible to strike foes without a medal in a slot, but the damage done is incredibly weak and effectively useless.

Well, I would assume because the Starlight keyblade is far spread and full of flaws. Luckily, we can get better keyblades to avoid the terrible Starlight, but they aren't balanced and instead focus on other stats.


But once again, Moogle of Glory is the best Keyblade in KHX/KHuX

Starlight isn't terrible, it actually has the best multipliers in both KHx (5.5x in each slot when maxed out) and KHUx. The only downside to it is that it requires luck to utilize those large multipliers (KHx) or that it isn't the most effective in PSM-specialized quests/boss battles (KHUx).
(It was also very useful in getting me the 931k max score without Capes for the last Corridor Trial event, too, with the Subtype: Power skill I ended up with a 7.8x multiplier in the first slot.)

edit: While MoG works with any deck, it has lower multipliers/growths in KHx and in KHUx is very tedious to obtain and level. You also need a good reverse/magic medal (there aren't very many) to fully utilize its power in KHUx.
(It was also tedious to level in KHx before the end-of-service announcement.)

Luck is a vital part of any battle, but everyone gears towards other keyblades other than Starlight and I see why. Its not exactly effective later in the game (KHuX)

That doesn't exactly make it terrible, though.

Same as the cards, fragments of the future.

But where are they stored? I always amused in the keyblade itself.

That's never really been touched on, but we don't see anyone whipping out cards/medals during combat in the game, so sure.
(They might not even exist outside of gameplay excluding the introductory cutscenes, actually..)

edit: There's this, though:

HA YOU HAVE A CLOUD CARD! I HAVE A VOLAR SORA CARD! HA!!

So I have a question about the season 2 thing...

They way I understood it was that X and Ux have been almost the same for now. But now Ux will begin diverging story-wise from X and the divergence starts the season 2. Not that season 2 takes place after the end of X, just that season 2 is the difference between X and Ux.

Maybe I misread it, but I'm just getting confused on the entire season 2 right now lol

I mean, if Unchained X keeps story events in the same order and doesn't add anything before the same story parts that X ends on then logic dictates that Unchained X's next "season" takes place after the end of X, it's also heavily implied that Unchained takes place in a different realm - and many signs point to the events in Unchained X taking place in the Sleeping Realm. If that's all the case, then yes, Unchained takes place after X regardless.

I disagree with that theory for one major reason. And that is the fact that in the sleep Realm weird things happen, in Unchained the weirdest thing to happen so far is going to the underworld to fight Hades

I mean, in the Ream of Sleep the only weird things to actually happen are that there are no Heartless and that the world's history repeats again and again - the fact that Chirithy is a Dream Eater should clue you in to something being up, though.

To be fair, the Realm of Sleep may not have existed back then, or perhaps the "Unchained" state the characters speak of eventually morph into the Realm of Sleep.

Basically, it's too soon to say anything with certainty but there are pieces of a puzzle starting to show themselves.

I always just interpreted the Season 2 bit as referring to the available material, rather than the actual story.

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I always thought as "Unchained" being the future (The worlds where "Chained" together but after the Keyblade War the world broke apart and became "Unchained" and Ephemera being able to some degree tell the future)

Hmm, do we know how actually the repeating of events works in the Sleeping Realm? Do things proceed to a certain point, and when it's reached everything starts over again, like playing in a loop. Also, I wonder if the people living there keep memories from these previous "cycles" or "loops"? I would probably go insane if I remembered everything.

Was it talked about of the Unchaining and dandelions would connect to escaping this repeating cycle that is going on RoS?

Also Chirithy could be explained. The MoM created him, perhaps from the Book of Prophecies as it most likely told about the Dream Eaters. And the MoM probably would create a few for the Keyblade Wielders to help them with advice, collect LUX, and help them find the truth. Also the Chirithy are linked to the Keyblade Wielder they are "born" for, based on many things our Chirithy has said. Also notice how the Chirithy doesn't appear to the Players aid when we are in the Keyblade Graveyard. And the Chirithy seems to be able to sense the player and when they are in danger. Meaning the Chirithy no longer exists, or chooses not to appear to the Player in fears of seeing them like that.


They also act a lot like a Moogle.

The Dandelions are escaping to the future to avoid the war. Also Sora spoke to Roxas in the Dream Realm, also many weird stuff would give it away.

Uhh, what? How? Other than the sounds they make when they bounce...

I always kinda figured that UX, or at least, season 1 of it, is the repeating of all missions that the Dandelions have to do as Master Ava said they would. Where Season 1 concludes is where they finish their training and return to the Realm of Light to rebuild the universe after the war that takes place in X.

They act exactly like Moogles, they share the teleport, have the same height, similar body shape, etc.

I reread the interview and it does seem like it continues after X, what set me off was how he said the two games will begin to split soon and the nature of season 2 can't be discussed.

I was just thinking, with Gula and Ava being confirmed friends (close friends even), that mysterious shot of Gula spotting Ava running around at night might not be as bad as most people assumed?

They really could have snuck out to discuss things privately. Even if Gula accidentally came across her, there doesn't appear to be any real distrust between them and Gula thinks she's 'always right'. Maybe at this point, Ava sets off to find Luxu, and that battle must not end terribly because Ava will return just in time to see Gula be struck down by Aced.

I know people were theorizing that it wasn't Aced and something else happen, but it's pretty clear to me that Aced is out to hurt them and if they were fighting, Gula was probably acting in self defense.

I don't know why, but I"m just, so happy that there's some confirmed friendship between at least some of them. The smol fortellers stick together, Ava seeing Gula being struck down???!?! Oh boyo. And where is Master Invi??? She's MIA, that's worrying

I made it, thank you.



I'm not comfortable with speculating on any of that, if nuance and storytelling tropes are anything to go on - then Aced is a giant red-herring, and Invi is looking very suspicious.

I'm not saying he's the traitor. In fact, I don't think any of them are the 'traitor' like the mysterious coated figure implied. I'm just speaking of Aced's attitude toward everyone. He just threatened Ira and the rest of them and said he's already building his army, and we all know the keyblade war is going to happen.

I think the red herring is that any of them is a 'traitor' and they are going out of their way to make it seem like it's Aced (which I don't believe). But Aced really is going out of his way to topple or hurt them. I only feel more strongly about this theory because of this very updat and our encounter with him. Even Ira is prepared to fight just to make sure a 'winner' among them isn't crowned.

Oh, I was just thinking out loud. I'm not convinced of anything myself. I can see none of them being a traitor.

So I just had a thought. Remember when we thought "if there's an X, the name must be an anagram!"? Well... There's one anagram that hasn't been mentioned in a while that I find pretty interesting (other than Mansex lol).
NO HEART!
What if the connection between Luxu and Xehanort is this. In order to survive the keyblade war, Luxu had to lose his heart. The only piece of his pas he kept was the X in his name, but now he was a being without a heart.
So he's now an apprentice with no memories of his past before the destruction of the keyblade war. The keyblade on the mantle beckons to him as he trains day in and day out. One night, he gets curious and takes the keyblade that used to be his. His sense of purpose is restored and he now knows he must carry out his mission. The birth of the Xehanort we now now.

I think Luxu and MoM may end up being good, as we all know Luxu is just following orders. And the MoM can see into the future, maybe regardless he wouldn't have been able to stop a war. And notice how Luxu, has Lux inside it a thing we have been collecting mindlessly. I think Luxu's keyblade helps him see into the future, it does have an "All seeing eye" after all.


​And maybe the Lost Page was taken away from their own good.

Going along with the X. The thing that had me a bit freaked out was the Dark Chirithy and the dark figures. The dark figures are supposedly keyblade wielders succumb to the darkness. They have red X's on them, and they could somewhat speak. Not even sure if they should be called Heartless. Are we supposed to assume to know who the Dark Chirithy belongs to? To steal Lux is one thing, but I'd wonder how important this is when the keyblade war actually happens.

After the last mission (Before the new missions) It says a few months later, then says the few days ago. That means we have less than a week before the war over Lux starts. All Luxu can do is watch and not interfere, and the 13 shadows in the vision is a foresight of KH3. Xehorant loves the X-Blade.


But why is Lux named after Luxu?

It's not. Lux is the Latin word for light, that's one of those coincidences Nomura looks for when naming characters

But then that does not fit in with "Luxu" whom people think is the bad guy.


But he did pull a keyblade on one of the more innocent Foretellers

Eh... what? Luxu is named after the Latin word luxaria, which means "lust." Lux is Latin for "light." They're two seperate words that both coincidentally have "lux" in them.

All the Foretellers are named after sins. But I really think Aced's name matches his sign because of what he has been doing.

Sigh, I hate when they have the player talk... I so wouldn't speak at all like that. XD Plus they have you lose too? Seriously, at least in the first Kingdom Hearts you could actually "beat" Leon. I'm really not liking the way KH Unchained X is headed if these two are near identical. Makes me want to save all that money I've been spending in epic carnivals. -3-

Anyways, wouldn't it be funny if the master of masters turned out to be Tetsuya Nomura? XD He always did say he sees himself as the villain always trying to throw conflict and chaos into the story. XD But if Tetsuya Nomura is the irl villain, who would be the irl hero? I'd say Walt Disney but yeah...

Tbh, I like it when the player speaks. They also seem to have a better understanding of light and dark than Eraqus did.

So, someone's probably already pointed this out... but upon going through Xehanort's Reports in BbS again, I'm finding some correlations between the Keyblade War history recorded there and Chi:

Xehanort's Report 3: "In ancient times, no such buffers kept the larger World divided; there were no walls of light enclosing each smaller world the way they do today. Nothing prevented one from physically interfering with the next. At that time, the World was filled with light, and a great many Keyblade wielders. But without buffers, the worlds began to squabble over ownership of the light. You see, they learned of the Keyblade's true use. War broke out as each of the Keyblade wielders struggled to lay claim to an almighty entity known as Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts could be described as an aggregate of hearts. Worlds, too, have hearts, just like people; each world's heart is concealed from sight, beyond a hidden door. By gathering all the hearts of all the worlds in a single place, one may complete Kingdom Hearts.

Xehanort's Report 4: "And when Kingdom Hearts is complete, it is said the one who opens its door will bring about the creation of the Next World. Such a feat is above any human. Or, to put it a different way: whoever opens the door will be reborn as something far greater than human... The Keyblade wielders' great war over Kingdom Hearts was fought by defenders of the light, servants of darkness, those who sought to reconcile the two, and those motivated by nothing more than lust for power. A whole spectrum of thought was swept into the conflict, and the worlds that did not go to war found the war brought to them. In the end, the whole World was cast into darkness. That was how the great Keyblade War was brought to a close. To this day, no one has ever managed to open the door to Kingdom Hearts. Some time later, the little light that remained in the hearts of the few gave rise to the World we know today: one made of many worlds behind just as many walls, so that the Keyblade War would not be repeated." (This last part all sounds like Dandelion stuff to me.)

Xehanort's Report 6: "...And, as stated before, opening the door arguably gives that person control over all worlds and all people."

There were some other interesting things in other Reports, too, so I suggest that you guys all read them again, maybe. It's quite interesting, and thus was so much fun for me to do^_^ Xehanort Report 4 is particularly meaty. Through Chi, we know who were the defenders of light (the player, the Keyblade wielders, certain Unions and their leaders--like Invi--and perhaps Ava and her dandelions), servants of darkness (Gula, perhaps, and maybe the MoM and Luxu, and the owner of the dark Chirithy), those who sought to reconcile the two (people like Ava and Skuld, and maybe the Dandelions), and those motivated by nothing more than lust for power (Aced, and perhaps the MoM and Luxu, as well as the two Keyblade wielders who were getting into a fight this update).

I also want to know when everyone's going to learn what the Keyblade was really for, as Xehanort's Report 3 hints will eventually happen in the story.

That whole "keyblade's true use" bit mixed with the repeated tellings by MX and Yensid that "the keyblade was created to conquer the light and out of greed for the X-blade" is pretty much the "key" reason why I've been calling the MoM shady since almost day one.

Also Lux and Luxuria are not coincidence they have the same root. The idea is shimmering, glittering, desire. That's how we get a term like luxurious but shimming and glittering are also terms we use for light which is how lux=light became one of the valid interpretations for the word root. And I really doubt that this was a coincidence either, the MoM named these people himself. If they named Luxu that there has to be a reason.

Aced embodies Sloth
Ava embodies Greed

We haven't seen enough but Ira, Gula, and Invi most likely embody their aspects...er sins (sorry got a bit homestuck-y there) as well. So the same should go for Luxu if he chose to name him after the sin of lust there should be a reason for that.

Me, too, friend. Me, too:)

I was sort of hoping it was going to go that way (though the MoM may be a well-intentioned extremist, I guess; it's still probably too early to be able to say), but him being evil is so refreshing to me. If one of the apprentices had been the traitor, it would have been too obvious with the setup this story had, and would have been a repeat of the story of AtW.

I'm glad that the MoM is shady, and that so far it's looking like him and the sixth apprentice might be working together? It's also still too early to say that, I know. LOL. But I'm truly hoping for it, because then it would be the exact opposite of what happened with Xehanort and Ansem, which would be awesome.

As much as I love parallels in storytelling, KH does go overboard with it sometimes. So this would be a neat way to still pay homage to this series' tropes, but also turn them on their head and give a new perspective to them.

The Keyblade War was mysterious, Xehanort said it was a war for Kingdom Hearts and the X-Blade. But now we know Kingdom Hearts or the X-Blade was not known at the time, it began from thirst of Lux or thinking what one was collecting it for darkness. Thus a war broke out, and it most likely only lasted a few days. Or maybe only a day, perhaps the Foretellers had to kill their own unions to prevent the war from doing anymore damage. But one thing still doesn't feel right, if the unions fought one another, five unions exist. Only four seem to have fought, and the player would not be capable of surviving such a conflict unless they summoned the X-Blade or had help.

My THEORY:

>What if the MoM (Sora`s bloodline or Mickey smth) ran away to change the prophecy? (or something) and Luxu who was left behind searched and re-lived and never found his master?...leaving him to just watch all the deaths and tradegies, thus turning into darkness...

>"So there will be no VICTOR" because all 6 of them are corrupted. (that`s why he left..so good can come out with these 6)

>we all know that the profecy tells that in the end "On that land shall darkness prevail and light expire"... however, only the master knows what`s written ahead of that prophecy (the lost pages). So what if the MoM ripped the page so one can know, how will the darknes be defeated (so the darkness can`t prepare what`s coming in the end, but only the MoM)

>The foretellers was devided, Resulting to the keyblade war (it was in the BoP,and to create a new generation, he didn`t bother. let them all die instead). Instead, went to the future and made these 6 lights UNITE instead of killing each other. So what if he needed 7 generations (the 7 guardians of light) or 7 parts of himself to defeat the darkness

>this is a very wierd thought... but I think it is very relevant:
isn`t it weird that LUXU and LUX uses same letters...(this feels like the same Riku and Rikku mistake.. and if i was Nomura, I`ll never do the same mistake EVER...)

BTW, I`m new here, so.. nice to meet you all:)

Luxu means Lust and Lux means light. The MoM could be good, and I theorized long ago he "disappeared" knowing he can't change it and feels responsible for giving people keyblades that would lead to a war. Most keyblade users collect LUX blindly while Skuld, Ephemera, and the Player are aware everything is an illusion. Luxu also pulled a keyblade out on Ava, who was just asking questions. Unless Aced followed her to Luxu, and he noticed Aced and is going to attack him.

Now that seems like a decent twist. But one can't deny that he has both the Black Coat and Xehanort's Goat-Blade (Speaking of which, Luxu seems to have deviated from the Arcanne Wisse animals with that). Then again, Young Xehanort seems to be the most noble of Organization XIII-2 an thus has cast doubts on whether he is evil or not (affiliation aside)

(and please don't use my post as a springboard for any "Xehanort Returns: Organization XIII" jokes :P)

Luxu never gave Xehanort his keyblade, he kinda just stole it from a wall.

I have no idea what "Arcanne Wisse" means, but I'm gonna guess that you're referring to the deadly sins animals... In which case, Luxu hasn't deviated at all. It was determined some time ago that the goat's been used to represent the sin of Lust in the past.

Then again, Young Xehanort seems to be the most noble of Organization XIII-2 an thus has cast doubts on whether he is evil or not (affiliation aside)

I gotta say, "noble" is one of the very last things that comes to mind when I think about this guy...

The Ancrene Wisse (Yes I'm aware I misspelled it in my last post) is some sort of ancient text that apparently lists the animal for Lust as a Scorpion, The Foreteller's animal themes also seem to be inspire by this. Though I supoose this deliberation was on purpose, to further emphasize Luxu as different from his peers (since he is not a Foreteller).

as for the noble part. I sorta agree, but the terms are relative and Young Xehanort relatively seems like the least evil of the bunch, more apathetic really.

Young Xehanort only really joined because he told himself too.

There are several different animals that can represent the seven deadly sins depending on which source and/or which mythology one looks. Each sin has at least three different animals that can represent it.

Uh, I'd say the "least" evil out of the bunch are those who are forced into it against their will by the Overnort's possession shtick.
Young Xehanort at least goes with a "fine, whatever, let's do it"-attitude at it and what he pulled on Sora in DDD can arguably be described as Terra's and Ven's fates from BBS combined.

I wonder how weird it must feel seeing yourself all old.

Plus, you have to understand that Young Xehanort is a definitive version of Master Xehanort. Therefore, all he's really doing by abiding by Master Xehanort is listening to his future self which is literally him listening to himself. That is still Young Xehanort doing as he pleases. It's not like Terra-nort where someone else's body was hijacked nor was it like Braig in which a bargain had to be made.

If you hurt someone in a dream do you wake up with it bothering? No typically you wake up, the memory quickly fades, and you go on with your life.

You have to realize that for YX this is basically one big lucid dream for him. All these wonderful sights, all these people he meets, from his perspective none of them exist. When his time ends he will wake back up on his island having forgotten everything. It's really hard to care when you know all your memories are going to be erased and when you wake back up none of this will exist until many MANY years later. Think of it like in Coded, how Data Roxas said Data Sora didn't need to feel sorry or anything if he mistreated people because he'll just forget what he is going to do anyway. So he can hurt people and when he leaves the room the memories vanish letting him get off scott free.

There isn't a point to him caring about what happens to Sora, he already knows in the future he won't care about Sora's wellbeing so his own feelings towards Sora here and now are irrelevant. And it's not like he has to worry about guilt because he knows he'll wake up without any memory of what he did. Thus what you get is pure apathy "nothing I do matters, nothing I feel matters, nothing about my life can change". I'm destined to hate Sora, I'm destined to be the villain, I'm destined to forget everything...so why care why even struggle.

Ansem possessed Riku enabling him to see through Riku's eyes in real time

Where is that from, for reference?

DDD

Sora:What are you saying that he knew everything that would happen?
YX:No not everything....but remember Ansem possessed Riku and saw his experiences in real time
Sora:So that could only tell him so much, how did he know I would be here today?
YX:Simple....
*BOOM*
Sora:Kairi!
*Kairi flies into Sora*
*Weird staby sound effect and Sora sinks back into sleep*

The it transitions over to the scene about how Sora had been to Traverse Town many times, again and again like deja vu. Oh...

Oh my god I think I get those scenes now. Luxu/MoM their heart became stored in Xehanort in the same way Kairi's became stored in Sora (or I guess Roxas, Xion, etc...). Not possessed but in a kind of symbiotic relationship like Sora and Kairi were. And from that he gained access to the experiences of Luxu/MoM and what did the MoM see? He's seen the future so much so he created a book containing the future. That's what the line of deja vu is suppose to mean, that Luxu/MoM already experienced this future a long time ago in fact he may of experienced the future over and over again if he could see into it whenever he wanted. But you know as we saw even if you host a heart you don't get immediate access to all their memories, Sora for all his connection and understanding only has ever felt/seen a handful of the memories of others. That would be why Xehanort didn't know everything.

Also a crazy thought just occurred to me but what if....Apprentice Xehanort is Luxu? Think about it AX sounds completely sincere when he said his name isn't Xehanort. What if he really isn't Xehanort but Luxu instead and he's been following the orders of his master since the beginning. That is to keep his name and identity hidden. That would explain why he stole Ansem's name! That would explain how Xemnas knew about the room of awakening! That would explain...well literally everything about Apprentice Xehanort now that I think about.

It would also explain the Goat-Blade, but the question is how? Does Luxu have immortality or something?

the only way i could see this working is if Luxu had initially split himself into Terra and Xehanort in order to survive the keyblade war that way when Xehanort merged with Terra, it recompleted Luxu. Otherwise, I don't see how Apprentice Xehanort could be Luxu.

There's also been talk about seeds. What if part of Luxu's heart, or even his whole heart, has been in that keyblade since he died or whatever?

That's the only way I think he could survive. We'll have to see what happens though.

A very keen observation indeed, I agree with most of it.

That being said though, in order for Luxu's heart to be explicitly stored inside Xehanort it would have to be transferred to somewhere else first as the timespan between the end of the first Keyblade War (which Luxu arguably watches, although we don't know if his physical form will actually survive it) and Xehanort's birth is pretty big. Luxu's heart can only "enter" Xehanort once he physically exists, so in the time between his heart would have to be stored elsewhere, either by constantly "vessel hopping" or by having his heart stored in something that is more durable and "longer-living" than a human body, like the Goatblade for example.

So you're suggesting that when both Xehanort and Terra were "settling the property dispute" over Terra's body as stated in Blank Points and thus locked out of controlling it directly it was Luxu's heart (which is maybe with Xehanort like Eraqus is with Terra) that took "the pilot seat"?
Well, if Luxu ever reveals his face and his eyes are brown I will immediately think about that proposal of yours. ;D



Memories, and by extension Hearts, are confirmed to be immortal since Chain of Memories as they're practically the "essence" of a person. The body is only a "meatbag" giving them a physical presence in the world while the soul is an energy battery which allows the heart to control the said meatbag.
Ventus' damaged heart survived (and healed) inside Sora for over a decade, so it is entirely possible for Luxu's heart to endure for the possibly several generations since the first Keyblade War in X[chi] if it is not confined to a single temporary physical shell like a human body but to something more durable, an object like i.e. the Goatblade itself OR if he constantly "body surfs".
Once Xehanort somehow got into possession of the Goatblade, Luxu's heart may have been awakened and either switched from the blade into Xehanort or just holds a close connection with Xehanort's own heart, leading to the situation explained above by Hirokey.



This is what I think is the most plausible way for it to have happened. In order to survive/stay in the physical world for extended periods of time Luxu's heart would either need to constantly hop to new vessels or have a more durable "residence" that doesn't have a limited duration like a human body/meatbag.

Arguably, the Player in KHX/UX has a much more durable body, being able to take many blows with a keyblade and survive the war. If Luxu who is about Ira's age would fall apart from a portal to the future, or from the clash of keyblade itself. So he might have time traveled and lost his body from something, or he never did make his heart live on. Maybe he gave his keyblade to someone before he died, probably to a Dandelion. Though this is really unlikely.

Plot-twist: Luxu became a Dandelion and woke up before everyone else :o

Or maybe he just secretly put a part of his heart inside Ephemera in order to later possess him/make him his new vessel/slave, remembering that there was a scene shown where Ephemera meets a Coaty and that was the last time the audience got to see him outside of a dream.

There are claims that Ephemera is essentially "second in command" of the Dandelions after Ava but that doesn't rule out Luxu already having "a foot in the door" so to say and by somehow being able to control/influence Ephemera to some degree he could hijack the whole Dandelion "project" once Ava is "dealt with" during the war and cannot guide them any longer.
The newest update also shows that Ava's Dandelions are not as secret as initially assumed as at least Aced and Gula know of them as well so Luxu knowing too isn't that much of a stretch.

Real interesting theory, and maybe Skuld and the Player might have to do something about Ephemera. Like unlock his heart to get Luxu's heart out but as a last ditch effort Luxu infuses his keyblade with his own heart allowing him to live on. And for some reason people decide to hang it up on a wall.

What if Luxu's name before the Master of Masters branded him likewise was Xehanort? What if Xehanort is actually an amnesiac Ephemera with Luxu's heart trying to take control, and in their feud, they locked their memories away?

Although Ephemera and Xehanort have different appearances and heigh, how old is Ephemera? Otherwise, Luxu's heart could have an effect on his appearance.

What if Luxu is a Nobody and his first name is Luu? Coz he has a X in his name and all? I know, kinda far fetched (but the X on Sora's clothes in DDD meant something too...). But if he is a Nobody, then he doesn't have a heart to seperate right? Or maybe he is a Nobody because he seperated his heart...

That's interesting: he separated his heart from his body in order to attain immortality?

Hm, given this series' track record, that could be the case. Of course, in every instance we've seen, having your heart separated from your body isn't an ideal existence. With no body, a heart's lucky if it just goes into a dormant, inactive state rather than getting swallowed by the darkness and lost forever, and there's no guarantee of waking up again. Pretty risky. Makes you wonder what his motives for basically putting himself into cryosleep would be, unless he found a method that would let his heart stay awake for all this time.

Alright so.
I know this has nothing to do with 6th apprentice theories, but while catching up in game I had a thought. For a while we've wondered what the final world in the menu of Chi was. Maybe rather than a Disney world they didn't have time for or a space just to fill out the menu, maybe that last world will be the Keyblade Graveyard? From a gameplay perspective, it'd be pretty inconvenient to lose Daybreak Town in the finale.

Well, if he is a Nobody he would also have a Heartless, and when those 2 stop to exist the heart and body reunite and he becomes whole again. Repeating this process over and over again would make him immortal. It seems like a pretty safe bet, Xehanort did it. (What if MoM is the Heartless of Luu?)

The Master can't be a heartless. Heartless only have one job, to take hearts and throw them into darkness

OH MY GOD!

What if Master Xehanort discarded his body in BBS' finale in order to give Luxu's heart a body, and Xehanort invades Terra's for the sake of having one, too...?!?!?!

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Other than that, it's obvious that the Chamber of Awakening and Land of Departure are VERY old. What if there was someone inside the CoA before Ventus? What if Xehanort, one day, ventured into this room and awakened Luxu?

And letting hundreds of kids kill each other isn't throwing hearts into Darkness?

But yes, that MoM is a Heartless thought was just a random thought I had that I just blurted out.

Wait what? Your saying that Xehanort gave up his old man body and took over Terra to give Luxu and himself both a new body? Wouldn't that mean we should also see a old man Xehanort running along side Terranort after the events of BBS?

But the CoA was made because Aqua transformed the LoD, so Xehanort could never have ventured into the CoA because it didn't exist yet. And even if he did, he would have kept memories of that encounter, and that means he wouldn't have to search for the CoA in all those other KH games, because he would have remembered where it was. But he doesn't, so he couldn't have ventured into the CoA.

Exactly, Xehanort's old body would be free for Luxu to control, much like Sora's original body was controlled by Roxas for a year due to to Sora strictly "not needing it" thanks to Kairi's powers (him and Roxas merging was something that only became a necessity due to the memory mess created in CoM and Xion's powers worsening that mess).
Well, Nomura did speak about a fixed sentiment that remained after MX extracted his own heart (before he used it as a bullet to shoot at Terra) and he stressed it was not a Heartless.
Normally bodies vanish when the heart leaves it, Kairi and Ventus being the only shown exceptions so far, but that doesn't mean the body is completely gone and therefore Luxu could have taken control of it elsewhere.

It is even possible that Luxu in MX's old body is actually the nort that is active in the Realm of Darkness, possibly overseeing the task to mash all those hearts of destroyed worlds together in that KH Ansem SoD build throughout the months before KH 1.
Who knows, maybe this will be Aqua's final boss in 0.2? ;P
Her defeating this "nort" actually freeing the body to instigate the recompletion of MX proper during DDD.

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Exactly, there is a logical error in the prospect as the CoA is a more recent development and we know that while Xehanort/Xemnas knew about its existence (and modeled the Chamber of Repose in Radiant Garden after it as well) he did not know how to find nor how to access it.

It's not a goat, it's a horned lion, according to the design notes. When you see the Ultimania sketches, it becomes more clear it is a gaunt leonid face, not a hircoid face.

I think you're reading a bit much into that. 3D's destiny schtick seems pretty easy to explain the way Doctor Who does it in The Angels Take Manhattan -- once you've lived an event, you can't change it. By living certain events via Riku, Xehanort "fixed" them in his personal timeline, which is the timeline the narrative is choosing to follow (given that this and Doctor Who both kind of assume that there are characters whose PoV "matters", and would thus fix an event).

It's kind of a new agey misunderstanding of the observer effect and Schroedinger's Cat, along the lines of -- once you see it, it's set in stone. If Ansem hadn't possessed Riku and hadn't observed the effects, to him it would still be "possible" for those events to differ than what we ended up seeing, but because he observed them they are locked.

The Traverse Town scene is simply that...Traverse Town is where everybody goes. If you want to make sure you'll find someone at a certain time, go there. Once you reach a "version of yourself" at that point in time, you can then travel around that period in time (like Sora and Riku do, allowing them to enter the Realm of Sleep), and presumably do research and stuff to figure out where they were and where they would be. This implies that Xehanort went to the real Traverse Town at some point, and started surveilling Sora, either through simply spying, or by planting something in him like with the Recusant's Sigil -- from there, they very carefully guide him toward ending up at TWTNW in the Realm of Sleep, and once they're sure that Sora will definitely not escape their grasp, YX shows up there to "observe" Sora being captured, and make it a destined event (possibly, if they had done a worse job at manipulating Sora, he could have sidestepped TWTNW, and when YX showed up there without Sora, it would instead make it destined that they DONT capture Sora). Going out on a limb here, but presumably Young Xehanort is going to be present when the X-blade is finally constructed, and he seemed ---awfully certain--- that Sora would be in their number -- you'd presume he'd be able to sense who counts as a "version of himself" that he can use to travel through time.

In other words -- what if Sora's been designated a vessel ever since the first time he went to Traverse Town?



Basically, I don't think we need to posit some mystical power to "sharing eyes", when it can just as easily be explained as your standard pop culture version of Schroedinger's cat, just what it appears to be on the surface. I mean, it is Nomura, it's always possible he goes off on some crazy retconning tangent, but...I don't see the need to assume that's what he's doing at this point in time.

That's true. I've looked at some up-close pictures of both Y. Xeha's Keyblade and the Goatblade before, and it's pretty obvious that the creature on both weapons has the head of a big cat. What's odd is the fact that these lions have freakin' huge goat horns, and the fact that the Goatblade has been confirmed to be currently wielded by Luxu. From what I've read, the animal symbolism for the 7 deadly sins is all over the place, but a fairly consistent one is that the lion is supposed to represent pride, while Lust is always represented by something else. So what's the animal of pride doing with goat horns and in the hands of the guy named after the sin of lust?

The Traverse Town scene is simply that...Traverse Town is where everybody goes. If you want to make sure you'll find someone at a certain time, go there. Once you reach a "version of yourself" at that point in time, you can then travel around that period in time (like Sora and Riku do, allowing them to enter the Realm of Sleep), and presumably do research and stuff to figure out where they were and where they would be. This implies that Xehanort went to the real Traverse Town at some point, and started surveilling Sora, either through simply spying, or by planting something in him like with the Recusant's Sigil -- from there, they very carefully guide him toward ending up at TWTNW in the Realm of Sleep, and once they're sure that Sora will definitely not escape their grasp, YX shows up there to "observe" Sora being captured, and make it a destined event (possibly, if they had done a worse job at manipulating Sora, he could have sidestepped TWTNW, and when YX showed up there without Sora, it would instead make it destined that they DONT capture Sora). Going out on a limb here, but presumably Young Xehanort is going to be present when the X-blade is finally constructed, and he seemed ---awfully certain--- that Sora would be in their number -- you'd presume he'd be able to sense who counts as a "version of himself" that he can use to travel through time. In other words -- what if Sora's been designated a vessel ever since the first time he went to Traverse Town?

... I'm getting this weird feeling of utter confusion despite understanding what you're trying to explain. Damn time travel...

From what I could gather from the timeline explanation is that it's still possible that Sora could very well be a vessel...? But wasn't that seed rid off?

That doesn't make sense... the seed wasn't just "rid of," it was never even planted in the first place because Lea blew it up before it could get to Sora. The only events that were guaranteed to happen were the ones that led up to that exact moment where Sora could've been Norted. Beyond that, it's like how Geezernort himself described it: "it is the future that lies beyond [his] sight." If Geezernort doesn't know, there's no way Trollanort (who's actually being kept in the dark about his older self's master plans) would know either.

Trollanort might show up to the X-Blade forging party eventually, but that event has yet to happen. Once he witnesses it, he'll eventually have to return to his starting point in Destiny Islands, which will erase all memories of time traveling experiences. He can't just jump back into the events of DDD whenever he wants.

I'm pretty sure all that talk that made Trollanort seem certain that Sora was gonna be a vessel was more "it's going to happen because this plan is going off without a hitch" rather than "I already know what's going to happen because time travel." I mean, if Lea hadn't dropped in at the last second, that's exactly how it would've gone.

Sora definitely didn't get xehanorts heart in 3d...but he may still be a vessel, or at least a form of him is.

The thing is this--young xehanort explains that he can travel in time to any point where a -version of him- exists. No matter when in his timeline Sora (or a version of him, like roxas or xion) becomes a vessel, he would still count as a version of xehanort for his whole timeline. And it's basically impossible that the xehanorts could have failed to notice that they were unable to time piggyback off of Sora like they could if he was a fated vessel, if their whole plan requires him to be one.

Basically, even if he hasn't observed the actual implantation, the xehanorts have a proof positive way to test whether Sora or at least one of his clones will be in their number. The only way Sora, roxas, or xion dont end up a vessel is if Nomura failed to recognize a pretty basic consequence of his setting, and yeah, he's made some retcons out of nowhere before, but one on this scale would be damn embarassing and make his "super scary master tactician villain" look like a damn preschooler.

Personally, my money is on xion, so that days will have an ounce of worth to the franchise. Or, Sora bring Sora, he gets part of xehanorts heart but manages to befriend it and bring it to light, similar to what riku is trying.

Except only the seeded Sora would count as a "version of Xehanort." Even if Xehanort inserts a piece of his own Heart into Sora, Xehanort couldn't time travel Sora from parts of Sora's timeline where he doesn't contain a piece of Xehanort's Heart. Because Sora isn't a version of Xehanort in those parts.

I wouldn't be too sure of that-he is able to go pick up the revived Isa and braig, and he calls master xehanort his -most- future self. Meaning that, at that point, anyone who's gonna be added to his accessible time streams has been, or MX wouldnt be the "most" future self, he'd just be "a" future self.

The Goat is one of the animals that can represent Lust, so a Lion with Goat-horns could possibly describe a fusion/combination of the sins of Pride (Lion) and Lust (Goat).
If the 7th sin of Pride is really associated with the Master of Masters as some theorize and Luxu apparently being the "prize pupil" and the one to "inherit the secret" (whatever it is) may point towards either a) the whole possession shtick which can go both ways, b) Luxu somehow inheriting MoM's powers and incorporating them into the Keyblade or c) the "Goatblade" is actually a fusion of two different Keyblades, one with a sole Goat motiv and one with a Lion motiv. This last one could also explain why the "Goatblade" has two of the blue "evil eyes" while the other Foreteller Keyblades have only one each.



Exactly, both Master Xehanort and Young Xehanort himself even point out that they can't be certain of what happens after the point in which they placed comatose Sora in that throne.

Trollanort doesn't know that Sora will definitely a new vessel for him and be on "his side" in the future as he himself clearly states above that he does not know anything further than the current point.
So being awfully certain or not, he is just assuming, not knowing.

It is practically a given that Trollanort will be present for the fated clash, regardless if it results in the forging of an doom stabber or not, as he sits on throne No. 12 in the new Organisation.

Exactly, YX is certain about things not because he knows, but because he is confident on the success of the norts and until Lea's little surprise firecracker entry the plan was going smoothly as even Riku's and Mickey's intervention was dealt with.
Ansem SoD and Xemnas clearly were surprised at Lea showing up and Braig/Xigbar was visibly upset/agitated. Overnort himself only grinned, but that does not mean he knew it would happen as he also said beforehand:

That grin could thus also come from the realization that he has exactly the right counter against Lea at hand and of course MX sics puppet-Isa/Saix on him.



Braig and Isa ARE seeded and that's why he can pick them up, so what Fudge pointed out still applies.
Sora is not seeded and was never seeded during his lifetime so far, so he's not a vessel nor can Trollanort collect him.
Riku was the only one of the proposed seven Guardians (minus Terra who had the whole package) seeded for a time , but that seed got finally shafted at the end of KH 2 and beyond a short time in KH 1 also never gained control over him.

Let's just get to the point, the Foretellers screwed up beyond belief, Luxu is probably evil, the MoM is probably the mastermind. The Daybreak Trio are made to represent the three realms. And everyone is connected to

*Looks up into the sky* ​Sora...

So something about Chi has been kind of bugging me lately. Ava tests the strength of heart of the Player, and determines that he/she won't succumb to the darkness, but she never does the same thing for Skuld. Instead, the moment that Skuld says that she wants to join the Dandelions, Ava just lets her?

Now, I love Skuld and am pretty sure that she's good. But IDK. The fact that we don't know for sure how resistant she is to the darkness could become a problem for the Dandelions, right? She could become possessed by someone evil, or become overcome by the darkness herself.

I know in the most recent update Gula keeps saying that Skuld's "just like Ava", but he doesn't really have any proof, does he? And intentions and an ability to be able to carry out said intentions is a different thing entirely.

Unless Ava's lying and telling Skuld (and Player) that Ephemera was a spy (and the traitor) and that she killed him counts? Since Skuld didn't end up losing it over that, and instead remained in control of herself and heart? IDK.

Skuld is heavily connected to Sora, same applies with Ephemera (And perhaps the player) So normally the plot needs them alive and to have a strong heart. And Gula just remarks it, he doesn't need proof. If anything would drive Skuld or Ephemera to a breaking point it would be them finding out the Player is deceased, but that isn't likely as the Player is needed to advance the plot. But let's talk about fighting styles, Skuld fights similar to Riku, Ephemera fights similar to Sora, and the Player fights like Roxas. And Skuld is obviously weaker than the Player when it comes to fighting with the keyblade. Also as we've seen Skuld and Ephemera are pretty nice people, Ephemera is much to innocent to be a traitor also.

Where are you getting this? The only unique pose has Skuld has in her fighting is this:
It doesn't resemble Riku's stance at all, and her attacks are attacks that the player also has access to with certain cards.
Ephemera can also be seen using the Ragnarok attack, but the player has access to it (and the attack Ephemera uses on the Invisible when you first meet him) as well.

But Roxas used Ventus his body because of Kari's powers... I think I'm missing something here.
And the other PoH's. Their bodies didn't dissapear either, even after their hearts had left their bodies.

So your saying that Luxu took MX his body, and then went somewhere else and did not accompany Xehanort. Okay, but that would mean there are now 2 old man Xehanorts. 1 where Luxu controls the old body, and 1 that was created after Xenmas and Ansem where defeated.
But I don't think Luxu took Xehanorts body. One of the reasons he took Terra's body was because his body was "old" and "brittle" and that he need a younger and stronger one, so he could see what happend after the Keyblade War.Luxu his job is to watch, and I don't think watching in a old an brittle body that probaly wouldn't survive a Keyblade War is a good idea.

One other thing concerns me about that scene, Xehanort says "At last, our moment is here.". I always assumed he was talking to Terra, but what if he is indeed talking to Luxu, who is nearby, or maybe even in the Keyblade (as others suggested)?

All this talk together with that PoH talk brought me to another question. In KH 1 Sora releases all the hearts with the Keyblade of Heart. That's what makes that keyblade special, yet Xehanort released his own heart with the Goat Keyblade. What's up with that?

So I've heard alot about those Ultimania, where do you guys read it? Coz I can't seem to find it anywhere...

What prevents Org XIII of trying again? Next time Sora is unconscious they can just try again right?

Yes, why did Young Xehanort move in Mickeys Stopza?

Well, they do talk about Roxas being a worthy vessel. But he also says he can't be a vessel because he returned to Sora. And Xion returned to Sora too, so I don't think those 2 can become vessels. Otherwise they would have done it already.

But... but that's not possible. There are 4 realms. So the Daybreak Trio can't represent 3 realms. There is the Realm of Light, Realm of Darkness, Realm In Between and with DDD, the Realm of Sleep. (there is also the Realm of Nothingness, but that's just another name for the Realm of Darkness).

YoungNort managed to move during Mickey's Stopza because of time traveling shenanigans (Master Xehanort possessing his younger body caused that).

... This time travel business gets more complicated every day...

So the requirment to be unaffected by time magic is to be possessed by a (older) version of yourself (through time travel stuff)? But, shouldn't that apply to Xenmas and Ansem too then?

I don't know from where you get all this as there is nowhere anything implying what you say here.
So far no one in X[chi] is implied or hinted at to be connected to any already established character at all. The only definitive link the X[chi] cast so far has to the current generation of wielders is the black Keyblade summoned by Luxu in the newest update which in the current era is wielded by Master Xehanort.
You're also giving way too much importance on the "Player" character which isn't even a true character at all but just a Player avatar for x[chi]/Unchained players. He/She doesn't even have a canon name or appearance.


You're not missing anything but simply got a fact wrong. ;)
From where do you get that Roxas actually used Ventus' body??? That does not make one ounce of sense.

How could Roxas use Ventus' body when a) Roxas has absolutely no connection to Ventus at all beyond carrying his heart and inheriting his appearance, b) Roxas faints in Castle Oblivion during Days because of coming too close to both Ventus' body/soul and Sora inside the Castle and c) Dream Drop Distance's ending clearly showing Ventus' body still being in the Chamber of Awakening where it was sealed into by Aqua?
Seriously, , how could Ventus' body, empty, sleeping and sealed away inside the Chamber of Awakening, suddenly teleport to Twilight Town exactly when Roxas was born there?
Roxas inhabits Sora's original body he lost in KH 1 when stabbing himself and turning into a Heartless, that's how the creation of a Nobody works, that's why he is Sora's Nobody, because he was born from Sora's heart leaving Sora's body. He only looks like Ventus' twin brother because Ventus' damaged, sleeping heart influenced the appearance of the body after Sora's heart had left it.

The other PoHs are also part of those exceptions, yes, but that goes beyond the point that MX's old body does not count as one of those exceptions.




No, that would not mean 2 old man Xehanorts at all because MX got obviously his old body back during the recompletion process in the finale of DDD. The old man Xehanort seen there is indeed the old body he discarded in BBS, the DDD Ultimania and the Memorial Ultimania confirm that.
Thus Luxu being possibly in control of the old body would thus only apply for the time period between the end of BBS and the end of DDD, the exact time period where it is known that Xehanort was not inhabiting it.

I'm also nowhere implying that Luxu took that body in order to get to his ultimate goal with it, but more like that it is used to further put pieces and parts of plans in motion in accordance with Xehanort's other schemes during the time period between BBS and DDD. He is only further aiding/performing steps of Xehanort's plans, not aiming to actually "watch the Keyblade War" while using that body.

Of course Luxu's heart being sealed inside the Goatblade is also a possibility, one doesn't rule out the other.

Any true Keyblade Master can release/transfer their own heart or hearts of others with their Keyblades, Xehanort explicitly mentions that in the Xehanort Reports in BBS, so him doing exactly that with the Goatblade is just seeing that ability in action, unrelated to the specialty of the Goatblade.
The Keyblade of Heart was special in the vein that it could generally open and release hearts as a property of the blade itself as explained by Ansem SoD while possessing Riku. Thus even a total noob like Sora could do it without a problem while this action (releasing hearts) is normally an ability reserved to true Keyblade Masters (and Darkness wielders who know the secret how to steal hearts, like Maleficent).

The Ultimanias are companion books to each KH game which are only released in Japan, full with additional story details and confirmations as well as further Nomura interviews explaining even more stuff.
Translations of many of the important interviews and scans of some pages can be found on the main KHInsider site in the "Interviews" section of each of the respective games.

It's one of the more glaring flaws of the KH series that all this information helping to make the story more clear is present only in supplementary material that isn't even available worldwide instead of being in the primary medium itself.

Sure they could do that, but it would be pretty lame from a storytelling point of view not to mention that it is highly unlikely that the main playable character would suddenly be forced to fight for the enemy.

It wasn't Young Xehanort himself but the main essence of the present Master Xehanort possessing the younger Xehanort which bypassed the spell. That's also why Young Xehanort can suddenly summon a Keyblade against Riku, he isn't a Keyblade Wielder yet but his older self entering overrides this.

Xion and Roxas could indeed only become vessels if they have a physical presence aka a body. Xehanort is not interested in hearts for his vessels, but just in bodies. Preferably empty bodies without hearts or bodies where the heart is sleeping/shattered so there's no resistance to his possession.

Tbh I do not even think something like a "Daybreak trio" exists, that is just a fan-made name for a group that was never once seen together at all, not even to talk about that "Player" isn't even an actual true character but a projected avatar.

Okay, I phrased that wrong. I didn't literally mean "using Ventus his body". Was more pointing at the fact that he looks like Ventus. I thought he took the appearance of Ventus because Sora wasn't a Heartless long enough, so the Nobody didn't "finish". So it took Ventus his body (appearance). Yeah... I don't have alot of knowledge beyond the games...

I know, just like to point it out.

Ooo, so that's what you meant with Aqua defeating him (is it confirmed in what time period 0.2 takes place?).

But how much can you really do in a old body? I dunno, it seems more like a hinderance to me...

O, well that explains that.

Dayum, that are alot of interviews :O Gonna do alot of reading this vacation.

You would kinda expect a English release with all the 1.5 and 2.5 hype.

I know, but I'm just saying, they might try again in the future. Doesn't mean they will be successful. Just saying that Sora still faces the threat of becoming a Vessel, even though they failed the first time.

Okay... then why didn't the others move? Especially Xenmas and Ansem, techincally they are also a version of Xehanort.

Then why doesn't Xehanort use puppets? For real, Xion was a puppet. I'm sure Xehanort can make 12 other puppets and possess those. Empty bodies, no hearts, no resistance, it sounds perfect.

Me neither. But I like to point out there are 4 realms now (DDD, making everything overly complicated).

English is not your first language, is it? ^__^
In this case speaking just of appearance prevents misunderstandings.

The reason Roxas looks like Ventus has nothing to do with how long Sora was a Heartless, but with the fact that Sora's heart left its body but Ventus' damaged heart remained. Since appearance is dictated by the dominant heart as seen with Terra-Xehanort where Terra's body got silver hair and golden eyes. In the case of Sora's body when "reborn" as Roxas Ventus' heart was the only one remaining and thus the body took that appearance.

What was indeed influenced by Sora's short time as a Heartless is that Roxas got none of Sora's memories and thus was able to develop an own, independent identity. Having no memories of Sora at all also resulted in Roxas' appearance remaining like Ventus' as there was no "template" for Sora's appearance.

Fair enough.



The time period cannot be 100% pinpointed yet due to the weird time axis the Realm of Darkness runs on and also because we don't know how much time 0.2 really covers, but it is safe to say that it happens after BBS and before Dream Drop Distance.

Mickey speaks about meeting Aqua once in the RoD and there was only one time period where Mickey was in the RoD: During KH 1.

MX still did pretty fine with it in BBS I'd say and Luxu might also not need the body primarily for battle.

It's quite a lot indeed, although to save some time I'd recommend reading mostly the Ultimania and Famitsu interviews, these hold most often the most important information.

As far as I know Ultimania books are never released outside Japan, the ones of the Final Fantasy series didn't either if I recall correctly.



Of course it is still a possibility, although I'd certainly suspect for Sora to fight the series of final clashes alongside his friends and allies, not forcibly against them.
It is already bad enough that the prospect for Terra having to fight on the wrong side is pretty high.

Eh, because as far as we know Master Xehanort's main essence can only be in one vessel at a time. Xemnas and Ansem might also be a version of Xehanort, but they were NOT inhabited and controlled by the main Xehanort.
Think about Xehanort controlling his vessels via remote control usually, but he can also choose to jump into one vessel directly, and that was what happened to Young Xehanort in the Stopza scene.
That's also why Mickey acts so surprised as he recognizes Master Xehanort acting directly through Young Xehanort.

Because the puppets/Replica program turned out to be highly flawed and troublesome to fully control as shown with both the Riku Replica and Xion. Several discussions during Days between Xemnas, Xigbar and Saix are about the Replica program, but once Vexen, the main overseer and mind behind the project is killed, it cannot be continued and further refined.
That's why Xemnas says Vexen's demise was "unexpected". He was not scheduled to be eliminated at Castle Oblivion by Xemnas, that was the doing of Axel and Saix.

Strictly spoken the Realm of Sleep is a special place that exists outside(or simultaneously to) the other three. The original three all have a different time axis (i.e. in the Realm of Darkness time runs much slower than elsewhere) but in the Realm of Sleep time does not flow at all, as explained by Yen Sid in DDD.

If you don't know why I said Skuld and Ephemera are connected to Sora. Skuld and Sora share certain clothing aspects (Belts, Zippers, and chains are in the exact places) As for Ephemera, that one is a bit harder to connect he shares more traits with Riku than Sora. Also they are main characters in their games, and Sora is connected with every important character. It is basically confirmed by this point, and all details exist for a reason. So that also means Skuld and Ephemera are connected to Xehanort in some way.

Or everything I said is just overthinking and they have no connection

You're definitely overthinking it.

Am I? Or did I confirm it? But this is a theory, and like always theories use overthinking as a bases. I wouldn't say that little theory is confirmed nor disproven. As Kingdom Hearts is a game series where all details are made for a reason.


But overthinking is what made people think Empherea and Skuld where bad, well before later updates

Nope it's not XD. I always have a Google Translate tab open when I make a post.

Thanks for explaining that.

Was there really only 1 time Mickey was in the RoD though? We don't exactly know what he was doing in the 10 years between BBS and KH1. It would make sense that he went looking for Aqua after the events of BBS, and then ended up finding her in the RoD.

Good point.

O thanks, that will make my life eaiser.

O yes, I'm positive he will fight along side his friends too (I would hate that plot twist). But he could turn into a Vessel, and then that gets reversed before the final clash because the Power of Friendship (and hopefully some cool Yen Sid Keyblade action).
I dunno, I've always had the feeling that they will save Terra before the final clash (hoping that they will make a Corridor of Light to transport Terra's LW to Terranort where the LW starts to kick his ass and then gets his body back. Maybe my expectations are too high).

O wow, that's a whole new level possession... So, he could have chosen any of his Vessels to fight Mickey and Riku, yet he chose his Younger version. Can we conclude out of this that his Younger version is his strongest version?

But isn't the reason the program failed because the Replica's got the "wrong" memories? Xion got Sora his memories (or some of them). Wich I think defined her personality, making her do the right thing in the end. She joined back with Sora, making it a failure for the Organization.
Riku Replica was often faced with the fact that he was just a copy of someone else. Wich made him go crazy. Wich was another failure for the Organization.
If Xehanort were to possess 12 other puppets, they would have the same personality as him, because of his memories. And because he possesses them he can prevent them from going crazy.
Well, Vexen did get reborn as Even, but he is now in an unstable condition... so there's that. But he is a scientist.
In the Organization everyone had to keep track of a diary, I'm sure he wrote down some of his research in those diaries. And he is a scientist, so he probaly values good documentation. Meaning he wrote all of his research down. Xehanort may not be as smart as Vexen, but I think that with all the research Vexen did, he could refine it, eventually.
He survived in the Manga ._. Kind of...
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Gonna go with KeybladeLordSora here, your overthinking this.

To what clothes are comparing it? Sora's KH1 outfit, KH2, DDD, KH3? I usually don't pay alot attention to the clothes. And yes, alot of important characters are related to Sora, but I just don't see the traits you see that connects them to Sora and Xehanort.

Been lurking around for quite a while in these threads, but man, I really wanna say something now. I actually agree with Luxu here.

He's somewhat right with Skuld and Sora link with their fashion-sense anyway. Skuld's clothes is similar to Sora's KH1 clothes. Having drawn both of them from time to time, I can attest to it. It's not exactly full-blown similar, but the main idea of their clothing is. The zipper shirt and having a jacket over it, a large belt, a chain hanging around their sides and a bling feature to them, like Sora has a necklace while Skuld has her earrings.

And I also agree with her fighting stance being somewhat similar to Riku. While at first glance it doesn't look like it, the main idea is there too. Riku's stance can be described as raising his keyblade with just one hand, and his free hand down. Same can be said for Skuld, except her free hand is a lot down. Pretty sure, only Riku clones have a stance like that.

There's also the move she used, Sonic Assault. And taking a look from the cards in X that uses that move, they're mostly reverse cards with Xemnas and Ansem as the common face. The only non-reverse card for Sonic Assault is Hercules.

For Ephemera, he bares resemblence to Riku with his facial appearance. A silver hair kid with aqua green eyes. I do think he also bares resemblence to Riku in KH1, at least their curiosity part anyway. That can also be compared to Xehanort I guess.

And as Luxu said, Ephemera has his resemblence to Sora with his fighting moves of choice. The moves he used when he fought the Invisible on both occassions are Ars Arcanum and Ragnarok respectively. Pretty sure these are Sora clones signature moves, well except for Ragnarok a bit since it can be used by all of the BBS trio. But when taking a look at the cards that has these moves, they're mostly from Sora clones.

While true that all these moves can be used by the player, I think one has to remember why these moves are chosen for other characters to use.

Unless I'm overthinking it just like Luxu.

How can two characters who live centuries in the past have any connection to characters who weren't even born yet when they were around?

Ephemera uses the male avatar's default face (blue-ish eyes, same as the Player's) option and wears a palette-swapped version of one of the default male avatar costume sets.

No connection has been established between Skuld/Eph/Player and any of the present characters, and there isn't any need to establish any.

Reincarnation, or symbolic connections.

The main idea of their clothing is similiar... Isn't the whole zipper, jack, belt, chain thing a "signature" of Nomura. How he makes his characters? Alot of characters have zippers, or a jacket over their clothes, or some bling stuff. Alot of them have belts too (well, not all of them are big though...). But seriously, basing a connection between to characters because of clothing, I'm not buying that.
Are we really comparing earrings and necklaces now?

I describe his stance as raising his keyblade above/beside and pointing his other hand at the enemy. At eye level.
Skuld keeps her Keyblade under her head, at her chin, keeps her other hand all the way down, as if she needs it to balance herself.
Stances are alot more then just hands though. Hell, personally I believe that the stance of the feet are more important. Skuld stands cross legged. Riku his stance his more balanced, he stands with 2 feet far apart.
And to me, it looks like Skuld is turned around on that picture or something... it looks really weird...
And then there is also the way their keyblade points, Riku points his keyblade most of the time downward or horizontal (I assume he does this because he is taller then the rest).
Skuld on the other hand, points her keyblade upward. Wich is weird, because if I remember correctly, when she used that stance, she was about to figh those corrupted Keyblade Wielders, they were alot smaller, so she should have pointed her keyblade downward.
So there are alot of differences in their style.

And dude, alot more characters use that stance, not only Riku. Vanitas uses it, Young Xehanort uses it. Actually, alot of the "Younger" dark type characters use it. Guess if their stance is the same, your beloved Skuld is a bit more darker then you expected...

Your point being? Just because there is a character on a card doesn't necessarily mean that move is directly tied to them.

I'm pretty sure their eyes are blue, sure you can see a hint of green in their eyes. But I wouldn't say green eyes.
Zexion has Silver hair, Aqua eyes AND is curious. Damn, so much Riku. Sepiroth has Silver hair and blue eyes too, but I'm pretty sure he isn't connected to Riku either.

Almost every character is curious one way or another, that would tie all of them to Riku. It doesn't work that way either.

Ragnarok can indeed be used by TAV. But Ars Arcanum can also be used by Ventus (guess why Sora can use it too). Terra has even a equivalent of it, Ars Solum.
So let's do a head count, excluding the 2 Sora copies, we have as playable characters, Sora, Riku, Terra, Aqua, Ventus and Player.
So 6 characters, and of those 6, 5 can use Ragnarok, and 4 can use Ars Arcanum (or a equivalent). Yeah, those are real exclusive signature moves.

Fair point, but yes, I'm still going with the overthinking part.

I'm not saying they aren't connected, I'm just saying that I don't see that connection now.

Well, the Rebirth theory made it seem pretty plausible.

I'm also going to pinpoint a something about, the combat styles of Empherea and the Player seem they are exactly the same (Though we have only seen the player do strikes, and have yet to see Empherea do a basic strike) The fighting stance of Skuld would be a huge flop in battle, she wouldn't be able to move backwards or to the side. All stances we've seen usually allow the person to move, and fighting Heartless is not like fighting a person but I still think motion would be important. And the reason she would point up the keyblade would be for slashing (Similar to the Player and Foretellers). But Skuld seems more offensive like Riku based on stance, Empherea might function similar towards Sora because stance, but these can easily be broken down if they ever fight in combat. I'd like to point out the Player though, they seem far more balanced and speedy than Skuld. That is why I compared our style with Roxas' style. (Both seem fast and powerful). Feel free to add to it or demolish somethings, or all of it.

Now let's all bash on the seemingly innocent Skuld for our theory.

With the addition of Ventus in the third anniversary artwork of Kingdom Hearts X, does anyone think that he'll be involved in the rising conflicts in any capacity?

Nope Ven won't be, in KH3 he will be a vital character though. And about that theory of Ventus being the player. That is impossible. The Player not only would try to kill Xehanort but would have died in the Graveyard or with Ephemera and Skuld. So I think that the art is for people who are going to be important in KH3

I agree, there isn't any direct evidence for a connection between Ven and the player. So far the evidence for Ven being the player could also be evidence for Ven being any of the characters in Daybreak Town who fought in the keyblade war, tried to escape it, or (even if its a bit far fetched) got stuck in the Realm of Darkness during the keyblade war.

I kinda like the idea of Sora, Riku and Kairi having similar colors in their outfits. It gives and impression of unity, like they are the trio that they are supposed to be.

EDIT:

Shiiiitttt, posted this to the wrong thread. Sorry. o_o

I never assumed that Ventus is the canon player. I just think that he's a Dandelion that escapes the Unchained Realm and eventually gets trained by Xehanort. Sure, that conclusion comes out of a single picture, but I think the coincidences of Ventus, the X-Blade and his connection to the Keyblade Graveyard are too intentional to be coincidences.

Most likely a Dandelion, that had no knowledge of Ephemera, Skuld or the Player. Or one of the last few remaining after the war (Like we were). I think he was a Dandelion, and he may be weak with a keyblade (Compared to the Daybreak Trio or others) but the strength of the heart is what matters. So the Keyblade Graveyard is Daybreak Town meaning it would change to that.

So, I posted about this theory on Tumblr and got a butt load of responses/reblogs/likes/etc. But, should this be taken to a new thread as not to clog up this one? And it wouldn't feel right for me to make it since I didn't come up with itttt

As much as I like your theory I think it's good to point out that Ven being a dandelion isn't the only possibility. There is also a association between Ven and Gula in terms of art design.

Ventus does have some art design similarities with Gula. Gula's main colours in his design (besides yellow) are grey, blue and black, which happens to be some of the main colours (minus green) in Ven's design. Ventus's keyblade armour helmet also has similarities with Gula's mask (when also comparing Aqua's and Terra's helmets to Invi and Aceds masks). The ears on Gula's mask angle to the side, not pointing forward like the ears on Aced's or Ava's mask. Ventus's helmet has spikes that seem to also be bent at an angle, unlike Terra's helmet that has the spikes pointing straight up an Aqua's helmet spikes being pointed completely backward.

The problem with the comparison with the keyblade helmets vs foreteller masks is that the only one that seems to have the same colour scheme is Aqua and Invi.

Another comparison with Gula and Ventus is naming. I'm including Vanitas in this comparison because I think it's necessary to put him in this comparison due to originating from Ven's darkness. Ventus, Gula, and Vanitas's names are all Latin in origin. Ventus means Wind, Vanitas means Emptiness, and Gula means Gluttony.
What is interesting is that Gula's and Vanitas's meanings are opposites.

Gluttony is the overconsumption or overindulgence of something to the point of waste.

Emptiness is the lack of something.

Vanitas and Ventus in BBS are seen as opposites. Gula's and Vanitas's name meanings are opposites.


I'm not trying to prove the Rebirth Theory. I just want to point out that there seems to be a big enough connection between Ven and Gula to have the same probability as Ven being a Dandelion or being associated with Gula in some way.

I'm not denying the connection there, I just feel as though Gula and Ventus can still be connected. As in Ventus is the spiritual successor to Master Gula. If Ventus was to hypothetically originate from Daybreak Town: that doesn't mean that the connection between the both of them is no longer valid. We could have another Birth by Sleep situation (in which Ventus never met Sora yet was connected to him and was around at the same time as Sora). Ventus may have been in contact with all the Foretellers in some capacity except for Master Gula. That doesn't dismiss the connection between Gula and Ventus, it just dismisses the "literal" reincarnation of the reincarnation theory.

Don't let the possibility of your theory be diminished just because of there being another theory that goes against it.

There IS a probability that there is no connection at all between Gula and Ventus as the whole Rebirth(or connection)-mumbo-jumbo has no more merit than your theory does, it is also just a possibility and nothing more.

It's just that the definition of reincarnation is the rebirth of a soul in a new body. That definition is debunked in the literal sense if Ventus and Master Gula existed in the same era as Ventus is supposed to be the reincarnation of Master Gula.

Of course, I'm not holding either theory of Reincarnation or Ventus being Dandelion as fact, rather, as theories to provide explanation to the unknown. I always take canon events and lore elements in precedence over any theories.

It's -possible- he hasn't checked, but it would beggar belief and make him look incompetent. He possesses the ability to check, and we know he can time travel to a point when someone who has been "seeded" does not yet contain a piece of him:

Yen Sid: Well, if we are running on the assumption Xehanort knew what we were planning, then he still would need to have been there--back in the very place and time when the Destiny Islands were lost to darkness. Otherwise, Sora and Riku would have been beyond his reach. (Goofy taps his head slowly thinking) Mickey: Gee, do you really think it's possible Xehanort could have planned things that far in advance? Yen Sid: No, as a matter of fact, I do not. Goofy: But what if he did the same thing as Sora and Riku did, and he jumped through time? Yen Sid: For that to work, a version of himself would have had to exist at both source and destination. Not even Xehanort can transport his whole body across vast reaches of time. Mickey: Oh... Oh no. I remember--Xehanort did give up his body. It was a version of him that was possessing Riku.

In short -- Ansem possessing Riku allowed Robed Figure to time travel to the islands by accessing Riku's web, as Riku now counted as a "version of him". The reports even emphasize that this is possible not just because Ansem had no body, but specifically because he used this time to possess Riku.

So, if Sora is -ever- to become a vessel, Xehanort will have -always- had access to Sora's timestream. Therefore, he can very easily check which "archetypes" are to become his vessels, and therefore he has either confirmed that a version of Sora will become a version of himself, or he is just really gotdamn stupid and arrogant beyond belief -- or the plot has a massive plot hole and Nomura has lost track of his story.

Mickey wasn't saying Xehanort was using Riku as a portal, he was confirming to Yen Sid that his Heartless version was watching Riku and that it was possible he was on the islands the night of the storm. Xehanort didn't use Riku to get into the Sleeping Realm, he used the brown-robed Ansem who was there that night.

Keep in mind, we're not sure if Xehanort can actually access his seeds timelines before the point of inception, there's no real proof of it to my knowledge - and there's another glaring fact here: once your time traveling is over, you return to the point you left with no memories of the experience. It doesn't matter if Xehanort can check or not, he'd forget as soon as he returned.

(Well, unless you meant going Xehanort going backward, but there are a lot of holes in time travel to work around regardless)

So there must be a version of himself at the destination (Young Xehanort on DI). He went further into the past than the night DI fell.
Next, you can only move forward as per the laws of time. He move forward in time to when he (Ansem SoD) made DI fall to darkness knowing that that was the night he noticed the darkness in Riku and presumably had noticed a second Sora and Riku on the islands (the ones sent back in time by Yen Sid). He probably knew what they were doing and thus planted his time-traveling self there, meaning there were actually two Ansem SoDs there that night. The one that possessed Riku (the one we saw in KH1) and the one who had traveled through time and recruited YX and eventually followed Riku and Sora into the Realm of Sleep.

Therefore, no he didn't go to Riku's past, he merely moved forward from his past to an opportune moment in time which is allowed based on how time travel is explained in the game.

well augusut is until the last episode of season one kingdom hearts x airs is everybody ready

My journey in KHX ends at that point...

The way that section is written does not seem to indicate that those two are independent.

Later on, Xehanort himself explains that having possessed Riku was instrumental in knowing how to track Sora.

"Ansem first sent me on my way, and then placed himself here when the time was right."
"What are you saying? That he knew everything that would happen?"
"No, not everything. But remember, Ansem possessed Riku and saw his experiences in real time."
"So? That could only tell him so much. How did he know I would be here today?"
"Simple."

Xehanort didn't use Riku to get into the Sleeping Realm, he used the brown-robed Ansem who was there that night.

Right. My argument is that Robed Figure was able to locate that point in time in the first place by having access to Riku.

Young Xehanort directly explains that Ansem knew where to be because he possessed Riku. But that can't simply be that Ansem possessed Riku, *then* traveled back to the island, because you can only travel in time one way once you go to the past, and he never turn back into robed figure after possessing Riku. He had to have known where to be before, from a 3+1 D PoV, actually possessing Riku -- which means he *necessarily* must be able to glean information just from the simple fact of having possessed Riku ever.

A really telling thing about this scene -- the immediate response to Sora asking how Ansem knew Sora would be there "today" (in the playtime of KH3D) is a flashback to Sora having another person's heart implanted in him without his knowledge. This is implicit, rather than explicit, but still very telling.

It doesn't matter if Xehanort can check or not, he'd forget as soon as he returned.

I would assume he'd be able to pick which point in time he's traveling to, otherwise we couldn't rightfully call any of his plan a "plan". If he can check whether it's *possible* to travel to that point, then that's all he needs. He doesn't actually need to go back, and subject his heart to erasing his memories.

(For that matter, the whole "losing memories" has an easy workaround --

He went further into the past than the night DI fell.

Right. But unless he absolutely stumbled ass-first onto Sora and Riku, for him to "possess that kind of foresight" as the game claims, he would need to be aware that that opportunity even existed.

It's possible that Nomura doesn't examine this. He's retconned stuff a ton over the years, to the point that it's clear that he doesn't plan these out thaaaaat far ahead (remember when Roxas's emotions were due to Ventus's heart, and not because Nobodies create their own hearts over time?). But if it isn't examined, that means that Xehanort simply *did not plan* on even a mediocre level, when the presentation of the series is trying very hard to convince us that Xehanort is an expert schemer.


As a side note, the written Xehanort Report implies that Saix's scar is a Recusant Sigil, implying that he can use that to track his potential vessels through time and space before they actually become a vessel (it says "maybe Xehanort had his eye on him for a long time?"). Depending on how the Sigil works, it could be that Sora has been marked with a Sigil since long before KH3D, possibly at Traverse Town (since the scene where Xehanort says "simple" is eventually followed by remarking on how often Sora has been to Traverse town).

Haha... I'm starting to remember how confusing this whole part was. What a mess.

You forgot an important bit of that quote that comes right after "simple": "Kairi!" It's done in a way that can easily be misunderstood or overlooked, but I think that sequence was implying that Kairi was how the Norts were able to locate Sora at that specific place and time. Apprenticenort sent her out into the sea of worlds so that she could lead him to a Keyblade wielder. This bit of info actually is NOT a retcon, because this was mentioned back in the KH1 Ansem Reports.

Riku's possession had something to do with this, but it was by tracking Kairi that the Norts were able to find Sora at that exact moment.

How long do you guys believe season 2 will be? The same length as season 1? Longer? Shorter?