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I've got a rough translation of the cutscenes in the trailer.
[spoiler][Let's meet here again tomorrow--]

Ava: Choose five people from the Dandelions, including yourself. Those five will become leaders, and from now on lead each Union. Please guide everyone.


Luxu: The memories of tragedy aren't needed for the future. Here and in other worlds, we will experience a time without sadness.
Ava: Can we do such a thing?
Luxu: It will become something we can do, don't worry. But first, these five people.


Skuld: I'm number two?
Ephemera: Skuld... it's you.
Skuld: Anyway, I wonder who the other three are.
Ephemera: Until you got here, I wasn't sure about Ava's story, so I didn't think about who would come.
Skuld: Ah! Someone's coming.


Skuld: You're the third, then.
Ephemera: You came from Ava, too?
???: Yeah, after everything was over, I should come here, she said.
Ephemera: I'm Ephemera. Nice to meet ya.[/spoiler]

How exactly is the pre-registration supposed to work? I've already got the app.

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I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

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Can we go to missions with them? Can we play as Ven? CAN WE BE A LEADER, TOO?!

Thanks for translating!!

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Unchained Chi is getting a full-on expansion and rebranding. Wow, holy shit that's cool.

Also, VENTUS!!!!

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this really just makes it sound like unchained is getting scrapped and a new continuity is starting unconnected to khx lol

like it's basically making entirely new union leaders and everything :s

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Just really wanna know why they're changing its name to X [cross]. AND SO MUCH MORE
but that, too. it has to have a deeper meaning!

just when you think kingdom hearts titles can't get any worse

nomura finds a way

They clarify at the end of the notice in-app that all your progress (medals, items, equipment, levels, etc.) will carry over into Union χ

Are you kidding? This is one of the best titles to date since Birth by Sleep. The context makes sense and it's not a chore to pronounce.

At this point, I think Nomura has just been trying to outdo himself with the confusing plot elements with each new installment since Coded. Coded, DDD, Chi, Unchained Chi, and now Union Cross. It just gets weirder and weirder as it goes forward. I honestly don't know where they're going with this. It's somehow gone from a mostly simplistic plot on PC to an interdimensional multiverse on smartphones.

I would certainly hope so. The amount of backlash if they didn't would be catastrophic.

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Well, [cross] could stand literally for "crossing" as in either the events/people of the X-era crossing with the events/people of the present day KH, which is arguably already happening in some form or meaning to "cross over" into the "outside world" the Dandelions are supposed to flee/relocate to once the true war (which happens in Browser Chi) starts.

It may even mean both of those at the same time as Nomura has a knack for choosing words in titles that have multiple meanings.
Going by "Union cross" in full term it might also mean that the five unions will finally work together and search for the true enemy rather than compete with each other. If there are new leaders they are not bound to the "rules" set by the Master of Masters for the original Foretellers and they can choose different paths and approaches.

Considering Ven's appearance though I'm wondering if Ephemer and/or Skuld will notice that, hey, you kinda look like one of the guys depicted on our medals.

Ventus?! This is so cool! And if he's connected to the dandelions then no wonder Sora has the Keyblade ability, connections and special power! Ven is inside his heart, so he is basically caught up tight in the middle of it, whether he is aware of this or not, and we all know he's not. (laughs) I like this information! I'm getting closer to understanding what the power of waking Sora must learn in KH III is all about nownow. I wonder though... Could the as said "power of waking" in fact be the "key to return hearts" we've heard about long ago that Sora and his friends are looking for? I think it's very likely. ^^

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Kingdom Hearts about to go full meta.

Also, the logo is really colorless and… different. I don't like the logo. D:

i am not kidding. "union x [cross]" is a pretty bleh title, with a bleh logo to match.
it may not be the worst thing, but it certainly aint the best

not to mention the weird spacing in the subtitle

Agreed about the logo. This has replaced the original CoM logo as my least favorite KH logo in the series.

Agreed, I'm not really a fan of the title either. And yeah, that spacing looks so off to me.

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Considering what this trailer states Ventus is apparently about to be become one of the five leaders of the Dandelions (and also take leadership of one of the five unions, meaning that there is a chance the Foretellers except maybe Ava do not play a role in Union X [cross] (UXC? new abbreviation? Damn, casual fans are going to sprout more Huh?s and Wat?s than any meme is capable of) at all.
I wouldn't be too fast on already heaping huge amounts on importance and connectivity to Sora though as so far it is primarily Ventus with the connection.

Ventus having a sort of connection to X[chi] is not even that surprising when one recalls that Ventus was chosen as a Keyblade Wielder by No Name/Luxu's Keyblade itself.
When Xehanort found Ventus he already owned the Keyblade and as such the ceremony (which Nomura confirmed Ven got) was done almost certainly with this particular Keyblade.



Knowing Nomura he may spin even this into an important story/plot point.


That being said, I get totally BBS deja vu vibes from this scene as it plays out very parallelsy to the final world of BBS where Ventus arrives last at the Keyblade Graveyard with Terra and Aqua already standing there.
This time it's Ephemer and Skuld already standing there but Ven again arrives as the 3rd.

The moment I saw SE post this, I automatically jump from my chair.

And I agree that name is nice as the x is changed from chi to cross.To think about it,maybe the "cross" is how the union now united or maybe the context to cross over the realm or something like that.

EDIT: I wasn't reading Sephiroth post earlier, He was quicker than me.

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whoa, so ventus is confirmed to have been a weilder from the past. I wonder what Aqua and terra will think when they realize their best friend is actually a living fossil.

The whole story is just becoming more and more convoluted.. I like it.

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Those were my thoughts as well as I pointed out some posts earlier. Neat to see that I'm not the only one to weave those interpretations.



Err no, where exactly in this trailer is anything like that unquestionably confirmed?
The only things confirmed in these snippets are that Ventus is with the Dandelions, that he meets Ephemer and Skuld and that he apparently spoke with Ava.
Unchained is a dream world and Ventus does NOT appear in Browser Chi which depicts the actual events of the past (with the Keyblade War) so it is really too early to jump to conclusions like this.

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On a side note, it seems that Ava is "conspiring" or at least working together in some capacity with Luxu.

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man, the ven thing better be a red herring and that it's just his current heart going into the RoS during his sleep or something and that he didn't actually come from the khx era, because ooof.

i mean, the ava scenes seem to be a flashback imo, as she was pretty certain she wan't going to leave with the dandelions at all.

On a side note, it seems that Ava is "conspiring" or at least working together in some capacity with Luxu.

i mean how do we even know that's luxu and it's not just the master of masters and this is an extension of Case of Ava

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Like said above, I do not see any definite "confirmation" anywhere yet that Ventus is truly a person originating from an era thousands of years in the past.
People seem to forget what kind of world the whole "Unchained" realm is indicated to be.

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Consider Ventus' outfit.
No shoulder pad and no straps across his chest, which we have seen in the Birth by Sleep flashback to before Xehanort broke him. What does this symbolise since every appearance after has shown him with the shoulder pad and straps.

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Faceplams* ohhh right, I forgot about that part. Never mind

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Oh wait a minute. That's what Luxu is talking about, isn't it? When he says that the events of pain from the past need not be remembered into the future? Obviously he's reffering to Keyblade War, but I think this means Unchained Chi is NOT going to have the Keyblade War at all, and instead that will be where the story diverges.

Fuck, I was looking forward to that part of the story too. I was excited to fight all the Foretellers in the final battle and everything. Like, I know it's not confirmed, but I think it's safe to say that story-wise, it wouldn't make much sense for Unchained Chi to have the War in it, since Browser Chi is the true telling, Unchained Chi is the "world made of dreams" that Ava mentions in her speech to the Keykids, and then Union Cross will be what happens when the Dandelions avoid the War.

Still salty about no playable Keyblade War if that's true though >:(

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Good points, I didn't even think of it possibly being the MoM that's speaking there and the scene where she speaks with Ephemer could also be a memory of him.



I'm fully aware of this particular "hint", yet I also know that Ventus did not get these accessoires until Eraqus gave them to him which I doubt would happen before he got reasonably stable enough to start training together with Aqua and Terra.
He fell into a coma/sleep after Terra's barrage of questions and took apparently several days to wake up, not to mention that it is unknown how long he took to get "stable" and if there were any more "blackouts" in between these flashbacks and those where he is shown being given the Wooden Keyblade and starting to train with Aqua and Terra.




Well yeah, that's exactly what it is since Nomura stated from the beginning that the story of Unchained/Union Cross will diverge heavily from the original Browser plot and that a huge upheaval will take place of which five Key characters will be responsible for, Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus (whose arrival will herald the start of this upheaval) and two more.
Then there's also Maleficent to be taken into consideration from the Browser-Chi secret ending so yea, it's obvious we won't have the all-out carnage anymore that Browser chi showed glimpses of.

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Yea, I was thinking the same. I also thinking maybe because he is "sleeping" in darkness, that his "armor" that Eraqus give doesn't stay.

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i mean, he uses it on sora in ddd

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I'm inclined to believe that Ventus does originate from the era before the war.

Yes, he doesn't appear in χ[chi], but he hasn't appeared in Unchained χ either. Feels like a moot point.
The insinuation that modern-day Ventus manages to appear in the sleeping Daybreak Town from the modern era... frankly, a bit harder to swallow than Ventus coming into the modern age using the RoS like a time capsule. Even with his sleeping heart deal.

Along with his shorter hair and lack of armor, he looks a little younger than he does in Birth by Sleep.

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I don't how to interpret this but, the memories from Sora form that and at that point Sora nearly "drowned" into darkness since the nightmare use that armor.

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It may also have to do with memories since if Ventus doesn't remember the armor pauldron and chest straps his memorized form also wouldn't have them.
Before he came to Eraqus and was granted these accessoires he also didn't have them as his first awakening platform shows:





His body also still has it in the last scene of DDD as well.



Considering the abilities of the RoS a present day character entering via dreaming (like Sora and Riku did in DDD) is harder to swallow than someone from thousands of years in the past actually living in the present? Especially when his "sleeping heart deal" makes such an explanation much easier than any flonky-wonky time capsule bullo-wullo explanation we have zero precedence for?

He is supposed to be looking younger (10/11 years old to be precise) in Birth by Sleep as well, at least in the flashbacks with Xehanort and when he arrives at LoD. They were just too lazy to make a new model for that on the PSP.

That being said though ther are some things that may get one closer to a "confirmation" of sorts, as in
a) the Keyblade Ventus uses and his battle stance and
b) if he has a Chirithy.

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Well, let's consider the state of his heart post-BbS. He's sleeping, but is he capable of dreaming? Is he strong enough to exist even in a dream?

I forgot about this, but Ava tells Ephemera to choose from the Dandelions (wielders Ava had hand-picked from the Unions in the real world). With Ven as one of those five, he has to have been a Dandelion.
If that isn't some hard evidence I don't know what is.

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why would you hand over control of a union to a ten year-old kid tho

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The Master already did it with Ava and Gula

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those two are not ten
ventus is literally a ten year old if we're made to believe this is happening before Xehanort finds him.

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children are the future

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They're pretty damn young. I mean, we don't actually know how old Ven is here. But Ava and Gula can't be older than KH1 Sora. And with Ava giving the directive, and all the Keyblade wielders pretty much being children anyway

Why not?

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ava is definitely older than 14...

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To me at least I think the whole Ventus thing is plausible, all we know about Ventus is that he was originally Xehanort's apprentice, so his origins are up in the air. I'd have to guess if it's not Ven traveling through sleep as a result of his shattered Heart that it just has something to do with time travel again. In the Realm of Darkness time flows differently, so who's to say the same can't be said for the Realm of Sleep or even the Realm of Unchained?

That only raises more questions though because if Ven was one of the chosen five to carry on the legacy of the Unions from the Dandelions - who were essentially chosen as the children whose hearts would rebuild the Realm of Light - then where are Ephemer, Skuld and the unknown two as of the present day - surely unless something happened to them they'd be around as well (going along with the second theory).

I also want to mention that it's interesting that Ven is one of the five. The five original Foretellers all correspond with an element seemingly based on their Keyblades. Aced = Earth, Ava = Water, Gula = Fire (Electricity), Invi = Wood and Ira = Air. Why this is so interesting is because Ven's name literally means "Wind", and because there's no such thing as coincidences, this would suggest to me a tie to Ira. Idk - just something I thought I'd put out there.

Furthermore, does anyone know which Union story is supposed to be canon? Is it that Player is meant to be in Vulpes? Because that would place Ephemer under Leopardus because of how the game chooses his Union (and Skuld too I think - though she said she was in the same party as Ephemer, no necessarily the same Union). Just curious.

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Like Kairi's grandma story, and yes it's true.

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This game just keeps getting dumber and dumber.

Not if Japan has anything to say about it.

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All I know is this is going to confuse the absolute shit out of current players and newcomers.

"Are you playing Unchained Chi or Union Cross?"

"Yes"

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Well, he is capable of subconsciously reaching out to Aqua, appear at least as an apparition to her in 0.2 and helped to guide her to meet with Mickey (Aqua outright states this in 0.2) so if he's capable of this he's certainly capable of dreaming. Heck, the hearts of the worlds completely destroyed are capable of dreaming and even "replace" missing residents of them from memory fragments alone as Yen Sid explains about the sleeping worlds in DDD.
Considering Ven's outfit though we do not have to look specifically into post-BBSVentus but just into post-split Ventus but pre-starting training under Eraqus Ventus as I pointed out earlier. He was in a coma for several days after Terra's question barrage and we do not know how much of the four years between his arrival at LoD and the beginning of BBS proper it took to get him stable enough again to start training (and thus Eraqus giving him the accessoires like the shoulder pauldron).

Certainly a good point and evidence-"likely" on first glance, yet while Ava does indeed tell Ephemer to choose from the Dandelions proper, depending on how many there are it does not necessarily mean that Ephemer knows all of them personally (which is insinuated by him introducing himself to Ventus) and since the "Unchained realm" is already outside of the world Back Cover/Browser Chi it is entirely possible that Ven isn't among the initial group "crossing over" from that place but that he's taken along with them.
Sora and Riku in DDD can also freely interact with and be "chosen" by people living in the dreams despite not originally hailing from there.



Skuld and Ephemer don't seem much older though, as they are also around 14 to 16 it seems.
Ava herself is said to be pretty young and if Gula isn't afflicted with dwarfism he's probably also very young still.

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Even though I knew something like this was coming I still was shocked to see Ven finally showing up:biggrin:

Now I can't wait to see what kind of development Ven is gonna go through in season 2. it's very exciting and there's so much potential to tell a compelling story between Ven, Ephemer & Skuld.

I'm actually not gonna be surprised if it's all going to end in a tragedy.

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While I think the evidence so leans hard in the direction of Ven being a dandelion, I am doing my best to hold back on the thought.

There are some things from that theory I wrote that still matches up to what's happening:
+ Ven's missing clothing items (the straps and armor)
+ Ven's Dive to the Heart being the Keyblade Graveyard
+ Ven being depicted as younger (yes, 10-11 years old)

And now the new information
+ Ava apparently telling Ven where to show up
+ Ven appearing alongside 2 other confirmed dandelions
+ Ephemera and Skuld apparently waiting for 3 other people and automatically counting Ventus as one of them (and Ventus seems to confirm that he is)

If we forget all that and assume Ven is dreaming post-Xehanort pre-Eraqus, then maybe that will somehow bring more importance to the Land of Departure too? I see no reason why Ven would be dropped in X unless maybe being on the Land of Departure or something leads him there. But then that begs to question why he seems to know what's going on.

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This will never happen. Unchained X is being renamed Union Cross. It will also be the same app that people already have.

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You watched Back Cover, right? Her and Gula are absolutely dwarfed by everyone else. They also kinda sound and act like kids.
The Realm of Sleep is confirmed not to follow real time.

Furthermore, does anyone know which Union story is supposed to be canon? Is it that Player is meant to be in Vulpes? Because that would place Ephemer under Leopardus because of how the game chooses his Union (and Skuld too I think - though she said she was in the same party as Ephemer, no necessarily the same Union). Just curious.

Player's Union doesn't really matter. For narrative cohesion's sake, I would say that Vulpes makes the most sense, though.

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have you guys talked to a ten year old lately? there's a pretty big difference between 10 and 15-16. like, that's literally half a decade during a critical part of your brain's development.

whateverthoooo

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Especially Gula sounds like he's definitely been through puberty. They don't act or sound like children or 10 year olds.

I guess they're between 15-20-ish.

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Oh, I know, I was just poking fun. The name change is going to confuse everyone at first, obviously, but it won't last long. Literally all Square has to do is tweet that it's an update/expansion and no one will bat an eye.

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In Unchained Chi it didn't - but I'm assuming that Player is probably going to be the 5th one chosen to carry on the Union legacy - so if canon suggests Vulpes, which makes Ephemer Leopardus, and for arguments sake Ventus is Unicornis - then it will likely work out that whoever is left is from Anguis and Ursus - we don't know Skuld's actual Union, so it's plausible that she could be either or, and then the last remaining chosen one will be from the last Union - it would work perfectly. They're meant to be successors so it would make sense to choose one from each Union to replace their respective Foreteller.

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the real question now is how long of a delay there'll be between japanese and english launching of union cross.

like, will they launch at the same time, but english just wont have the new story content (for months)

or will they wait

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english is in april there already had notice it was delay until april

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In the Realm of Sleep time doesn't flow at all, explicitly stated by Yen Sid, so that's that.

On that we'll just have to wait and see depending on who the remaining two are as if they are also "known present day characters" the question applies only to Ephemer and Skuld alone.

If you go by the significance of elements you can also weave a connection with the Name meanings of the Foretellers as each of the Seven deadly sins is also represented by an element:
Air- Envy.
Dark- Lust.
Earth- Pride.
Fire- Anger.
Ice- Gluttony.
Light- Greed.
Water- Sloth.

Of course this doesn't add up 100% with the Foretellers' Keyblade themes or their attacks.
It is Invi who uses Water attacks in Back Cover and multiple-element ones in Browser-Chi while Ava uses illusion powers and doppelgangers (often associated with dark-elemental powers) in Browser-Chi.
Ira's attacks in Browser-Chi are clearly light-based, so only Aced's Earth attacks and Gula's Lightning-based ones really fit on first glance.

I don't think any union choice is "canon" per se since "Player" him/herself is not really canon (or rather, a single version/person that is "Player" since it is an avatar for each person playing the game).
The Dandelions being recruited from all unions alike and not being tied to any of them is probably done for this very reason as well.





The probability of it has certainly become higher, no dancing around that in either way.
I'm just not yet ready to treat it as actually confirmed.

Y'know, if the fourth and fifth person turn out to be actually Roxas and Xion I'm definitely going to rub my eyes and use an actual WTF-meme on this.

Either way tough, I can imagine in the very next Nomura interview he will be asked about Ventus being there and he will give an usual vague answer that may still point towards a certain direction.



I strongly doubt that the Player avatar is going to be one of the five leaders, mainly since it will probably more like that he/she will be going on missions granted by the five leaders and they will sporadically show up as AI-controlled assists.
Who knows? Maybe the last two are actually the two Keykids from that extra mission in Beast's castle? (At least I think it was Beast's castle?)

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OK, there was a very small story update.

The cutscene's already on YouTube. [spoiler][video=youtube;2BNP2Kvd9cQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BNP2Kvd9cQ[/video][/spoiler]

Big info is the Master instructed Ava to create "Union Leaders," the five who would take over the Unions in the world after. More than this, he gives her the five specific names he wants made Leaders.
But that's not all.
Only one of them is to be given a Book of Prophecy.

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That green-haired guy who says "My friends aren't my power" is totes gonna be one of the five.

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That confirms the scenes with Ava to be flashbacks, yup.

Unions in the world after? Heh, but there are no more unions in KH's current world, so there definitely did something else happen.

Also, does Ven have his wristband on the wrong hand or is that only because his model is "flipped"?



Wasn't that one of the two from that sidequest I mentioned in my previous post?
One looking like him was in the Dandelion scene in Back Cover for sure.

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the cycle contuines echo until kh3 ends it

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I wonder if the back of Ventus' jacket has a checkerboard pattern on it.

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Wow, didn't see this coming at all. I love the name Union Cross! So... is this the "second season" of Unchained then?

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You mean like in 0.2? <__<



Yep, the "big diverge" Nomura has teased ever since Unchained X 1st Anniversary.

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I feels something odd and strange bout Ephemer and Ven meeting on that scene but I can't give words about it.

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Yes. Because it's very clear that was deliberate.

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His theme plays and everything. I feel ridiculous getting so worked up over this

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Well, as far as elements go, Water can take the form of anything, so associating it with illusion isn't necessarily a far stretch. I'm aware that the elements don't necessarily line up with the abilities practiced by the Foretellers, but that means nothing - all Keyblade wielders have access to magic, thus it wouldn't make sense for them to be confined to a singular element - I'm simply noting the elements based on their Keyblades. You'll notice that Aqua, Terra, Ven, Riku, Sora, Kairi, Namine, Xion etc are not only associated with the elements their names connect to. If anything the elements is perhaps a subtle way of connecting characters as Nomura has done several times before.

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Hearing his theme at the end hit me like a sack of bricks ;~;
(I don't even really like Ven that much)

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Maybe because it's essentially two characters we (so far) thought to belong to entirely different eras meeting in a story-related way?



I can fathom several possible implications about this, but I'd up to hearing your take on it first...mainly because sleepwalker-Ven in 0.2 does have the cheststraps and shoulder-pauldron.



Well, Ven's theme is a rather beautiful piece so getting a little emotional is probably not entirely unfounded.

Since I'm at work I can't risk activating audio, is it the original version or a variation?
(Thinks about "Xehanort" and "Xehanort - The early years")



Then I'm a little at a loss though as to where the notion of Invi's Keyblade being associated with wood comes from, her Keyblade doesn't have any brown or green accents in it, only blue and silver which fits more for Ice than anything else when Ava's already has the "water"-theme.
With Ira's Keyblade though you're totally spot on as I've noticed that it has quite some similarities with Ventus' Lost Memory Keyblade color-scheme wise and this Keyblade is one of Ven's "personal unique" ones.

Ventus primarily uses Wind and Light in his personal attacks (abilities like Wingblade and Multivortex actually combine Wind and Light), so that would also line up with Ira somewhat.

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I'm not writing up anything except if it was a mistake they would have patched it by now.

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who will hget the book any predtions?

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"Hey, Ven, ever notice you're in some of our medals in these exact clothes plus a pauldron? Isn't that weird?"

...I genuinely still don't know how I feel about the Ventus thing, and we've known he was around for months.

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Pretty sure it's his normal theme? It sounds a bit strange to me, but maybe I'm imagining things (by strange, I mean maybe it is compressed or something)

Well, if Ven isn't dreaming and he is indeed a dandelion to be later found by Xehanort somehow:
+ Ven's hair grows out a little
+ Ven loses his memories apparently, because I kind of don't see why he'd become someone's student again if he's going to be his own leader
OR
+ Ven doesn't lose his memory and actually trusts Xehanort and becomes his student and tells him things that he shouldn't

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OH MY DIDDLYING WHAT?!! AHHHHHH!!!!!
VEN VEN! THINGS!!! JHBGYVBIKHJBGHGY!!!!!

*breaths* Okay but...Union Cross is a very un-Kingdom Hearts-sounding name.

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Not only that, it sounds so weird when you actually say it out loud.

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Guys remember this artwork ? Could it be that the other persons not drawn are the other leaders ?

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yeah pretty much and one of them will have the book

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Invi's is covered in vines/ leaves

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More like thorns, not vines or leaves. (also not really 'covered', but it has the shape of thorns at the tip of the KB)

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*says it out loud*
Shit it does. And we thought "three-five-eight-days over two" sounded weird.

And I'm I the only one amused that they now want us to pronounce "X" as "cross"?

Granted, Japan has used X to mean cross plenty of times, but now I have a theory that the name "X-Blade" is actually pronounced "Crossblade" but over time people mistook the X for the Greek letter and started pronouncing it "Keyblade".
Second theory is the "X-Super" label on the Master of Masters secret box is actually "Cross-Super" and will have some involvement in Union Cross.


The Greek X is also used as an abbreviation of Christ. Just putting that out there.~

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I see, well, maybe it just hasn't been noticed yet?
I'm not sure if that "error" is also in the opening since a) I can't remember if Ven's back is ever shown fully there and b) this is surely a completely different model.



Gotta listen to it myself once I'm home, lol.

Hmm, intriguing.
In the Xehanort Reports of BBS Xehanort writes about how he "met" Ven and how he felt this meeting was "destinied" and that he could sense Ven's potential.
This led Xehanort to decide to make Ventus his apprentice, ergo meaning that he must have had performed the ceremony (using Luxu's Keyblade no less) with Ven and although we do not know how long Ventus was apprenticed under Xehanort, we do know that he already could summon his Keyblade (Wayward Wind) at the tender age of 10/11 as seen in the Flashbacks, meaning that this Keyblade must have chosen him rather fast and that Xehanort is right about the whole "potential" thing.

If we now do assume that Ventus is indeed a Dandelion from the past itself and not a dreamer who joined them "along the way", a further memory loss is certainly palpable as it would be the easiest explanation for him agreeing to be Xehanort's apprentice.
Xehanort also describes him as being "too benign for his own good" so it's also possible that he's simply too trusting and open about things (almost the exact opposite of the Foretellers one might say).
Maybe while having lost his memory he does on occasion have dreams about the X-era and thinking of Xehanort as a friendly teacher-figure (we know Xehanort can be a convincing actor) he has no problems sharing the contents of these dreams with him, piquing Xehanort's interest even more.
If Ven has not lost his memory about the X-era when meeting Xehanort though it'll really depends on what goes down in Union Cross event-wise for him to decide to become a student again when he's a union leader beforehand.

I'm really looking forward to first seeing Ventus summon his Keyblade in the Union Cross to see if it is the Wayward Wind or not.
If it is a different Keyblade I think we can almost assuredly say that he's from the past, if it is Wayward Wind though there are two possibilities: Either this means it is indeed present-day (or post-split but pre-Eraqus) Ventus somehow or he is really from the past and already has Wayward Wind, meaning Xehanort didn't perform the ceremony with him.
Nomura did say that all wielders except Sora went through the Keyblade ceremony but he never explicitly stated who got his/her ceremony from whom and from the actual series we only directly know about Terra/Riku and Aqua/Kairi concerning it.

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Woo-hoo! Finally an explanation as to why Ven was on the 3rd anniversary drawing of Chi with Skuld and Ephermera. Wait, does this mean Ven is a dandelion?! He's from the X Era?! Nomura why you gotta screw with my mind again! I just got my head around time travel and now this... I NEED ANSWERS!

On another note, I gave up on UX because I was a F2P player and the power creep was insane! New plot = Me watching Everglow on this! SO DAMN HYPED!

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or you can watch all cutscenes on khinsider's playlist. :P

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Hmm... not sure how I feel about this. I've never been a fan of the "Ventus is a dandelion" theory, so I too hope that this is "just" a side-effect of his heart sleeping.
Also, did they just push back that multiplayer feature so far that they will release it in a whole new game?

And so we skip the Keyblade War in Ux? So, we don't see it in BC, we don't see it in Ux, we only see it in Chi, which was only meant for Japan. It's really weird that the international games are all hyping up that Keyblade War, but we have yet to see it.

Also, Ventus is in Ux now, but we do have Medals of him? Look, now I understand why they never released Ventus costumes like they did with Aqua and Terra. But why release Ventus medals then?

This is post keyblade war? The Union Followers get their strength from the Union Leaders in form of Medals. So now we get new leaders, I wonder how this will affect the Medals (and thus gameplay). Also, will they remove the guilt after they meet the Nightmare Chirithy, now that they know that the Guilt Bangle made them.

I'm aware that some Keyblades choose their own wielders, but can Keyblades influence it's wielder in who to choose to inherit the Keyblade?
Also since this Keyblade has been passed on for thousands of years, wouldn't that mean that any of it's previous wielders would have a connection to X[Chi] as well? They don't appear in X (yet). Hell, wouldn't they be a more likely candidate than Ventus? I mean, Luxu probably did the ceremony with a kid he thought worthy, made him his apprentice and then gave him No Name. That wielder would then do the same with someone else, and so on. So in those cases, who ever did the ceremony with No Name, would eventually also inherit No Name. Ventus, however, was merely chosen by Xehanort to forge the X-Blade and then become his vessel.
This also bring another question to my mind, is Xehanort aware of that rule? He knows alot about the Keyblade war for sure, but does he know that No Name is meant to be passed on? I'm not sure if he got the ceremony with No Name, so did he ever properly inherit it?

Ehh... he was not the last to arrive this time. And honestly, in BBS it was kinda depressing and end of the line like. But here they seem way more optimistic, more like the start of a new beginning. I like it.


I'm with you man. But if this is the case, I wonder if Ventus will inadvertently unlock the sleeping Keyhole and free that world from the Realm of Sleep.


But Sora and Riku also looked younger when they traveled to the RoS in DDD. Athough if I understand the plot of DDD correctly (which I absolutely don't) Yen Sid caused this?

Hmm... if this is Ventus after Xehanort split his heart, what effect would this have on his Chirithy and on his Guilt? If he were to obtain either one.



O, so this will be the same app but just with a new logo and name? So we don't have to go to the app store and download a "part 2" and then go through some terrible transfer process? Great, so what's up with the registration then? Wouldn't a regular notice and update suffice?


I think until our story quests reach the same mission as the Japanese story quests. How far are we behind atm?

That would be... so weird on so many levels. They weren't supposed to exist at that time. Also, Ventus and Roxas have basically the same body, the conversations they would have during each meeting would be so weird. And then 3 of the Foretellers would have their own Medals, what?

Why not? Gameplay wise, yeah it would be pretty weird if we were all in charge of a union, which changes depending on your choice. And that probably is a important factor for the whole Kingdom Hearts main story. But at the end in Chi, Skuld and Ephemer did reach out to us. So why wouldn't they promote us to leader?

Why would he only give one a BoP copy? I understand why he didn't give on to Luxu, but none of the new Foretellers have No Name. Does he do this because he knows they are all really young and have yet to go through their rebellious years and thus will defy the Master teachings and the BoP?
I guess we can assume this is "sequel" to the BoP of the Foretellers because that one ended with the Keyblade War. But how would the new Foreteller recieve the copy then? If Ava gives it to him, why wouldn't she have looked in the book?

Who knows, it might just randomly come back. Like "May your heart be your guiding key".




But yeah, as much as I hate seeing Ventus potentially turn into a Dandelion, it was pretty touching.



Doesn't every Kingdom Hearts name start out like that? (looking at you Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days)

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Even if Ven's appearance is due to Yen Sid-style time travel (which I doubt), that would mean that he was still from that time period when he had that appearance.

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Doesn't every Kingdom Hearts name start out like that? (looking at you Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days)

Not every KH name, but 358/2 Days surely. Still, this is worse. I just don't like it.
"Kingdom Hearts Union Cross" wth


Also, I think we will get it at the same time as Japan, or within the same week/month at least. It's been that way for the major update (you know, the one where they took away friend points ;n;), too. (or, I don't really recall, was the NA version already the updated version of KHUX when it released?)

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union cross for intonial will be in april
https://twitter.com/Daybreak_Town/status/832321330250813440

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Not really. I mean, 358/2 Days is still weird, but it's Kingdom Hearts weird. Union Cross sounds like it doesn't belong here. lol

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^

Also, English teaser uploaded. Don't expect much. Literally.
[video=youtube;kycDgmjpGsg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kycDgmjpGsg[/video]

Yeah... they should've made it rainbow colored to represent the unification of the union's Dandelions...oh well.

Does this mean that Ventus is not us then? Since from the rough translation, it sounds like Ephemer met Ventus for the first time? Wonder if Kairi will somehow become one of the new leaders... XD Jk, unless she can time travel or something... part of me thinks that the two other leaders might be selected from irl? Though at the same time wouldn't be fair to make two people from irl important... they kinda did a similar thing with Kurt Zisa... thash why I thought about it.

no.

part of me thinks that the two other leaders might be selected from irl? Though at the same time wouldn't be fair to make two people from irl important... they kinda did a similar thing with Kurt Zisa... thash why I thought about it.[

It's highly unlikely tbh. Probably gonna be some characters we already now or new original ones.

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Union Cross should've been named Kingdom Hearts X [Chi] X [Cross] X [Christ].

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I'm still torn between liking the idea of Ventus in UX and disliking it. :D

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Join the dark side and dislike it, because I surely do. pshh, wir haben vanitas auf uns'rer seite!

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I'm afraid I don't follow? I'm talking about the period in which he would time travel while he is asleep in the Room of Awakening. Did we get the periods confused?

Friend points? Never heard of those. Is that a JP and America only thing?

I don't know how far we are with Story Quest schedule compared to JP. But I don't think they will let us catch up that fast.

They can also push that one back <.< Happend before (I looked so forward to multiplayer...)



Well, I'm afraid I don't have such fine tuned sense as you have. But I seriously think it will fit just fine in a few months. How ridiculous do you think Birth By Sleep or 358/2 sounded at first?

... 26 seconds with terrible music... I didn't expect anything, and I was still let down. Do they even try for the international version? Hopefully we get a better trailer once we reach the end of Ux.

We already have a pink one so why not? Most of us ship it anyway.
But unification? For all we know those too will fight amongst each other. MoM even makes sure only one gets a BoP, that might cause some serious distrust if they don't handle it well.

Well, we don't know many other wielders aside from Skuld, Ephemer and Ventus. Not that deep anyway. So I think new ones.

Yeah,thatsoundsperfect...

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I'll obviously join.

Honestly though, the idea of giving Ventus screentime and storytime is cool and all, but uhm..this smells too much like they're gonna make Ephemera, Skuld and him a new trio and ugh...y'know, that kinda doesn't fit. I don't want a VES dynamic, I want TAV.
What are they gonna do? Make Ephemera and Skuld the big evil and let them form a trio with Vanitas? Aaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyylmao.

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Agreeeed, I don't want them to be a trio at all. I also want him to get more screentime, but this just doesn't feel like the right way to do it. To me, anyway.

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Union Cross is a dope name fellas

ven is from the past fellas

we're getting multiplayer fellas


thx nomura

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we dont know know yet we just ven so more will to come

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Of course we don't know for sure, but it just seems too conventional. Two boys one girl? Check.
uh…
yeah, that's the only criteria. GIVE US TWO-GIRLS ONE BOY TRIOS!!

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We don't know, buuuut the foreshadowing seems pretty obvious.

I'm completely happy about Multiplayer though and I like the name Union Cross.

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What's wrong with Ventus having two trio's? When Axel was Lea back in the past, Isa was Lea's "best friend". Once circumstances changed, Axel's friends changed. Ventus can easily be in a similar situation. Becomes good friends with Ephemer, Skuld and the other two unknown characters, and due to separating from them, ends up befriending Aqua and Terra due to changing environments and circumstances.



Chuman know's what's good. :wink:

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Except Isa became a bad guy and doesn't fit into the "friendship" part anymore at all.
I just don't see them properly develop two different precious friendships Ventus has with people if they so far failed to develop even one.

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Really interesting...I think this may help explain Unchained 0.

Number one: Ephemer(a)

Number two: Skuld

Number three: Ventus

I think, based on some small pieces of proof.

Number four: The Player

No idea who Number Five could be though.

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While I'm against Ventus becoming a dandelion and him getting a new trio, I don't think we should be this pessimistic. Ventus will always be TAV. No he won't be a trio with Skuld and Ephemer, because we pretty much already have a trio with them as Player, Skuld and Ephemer. Also, if they are going to be Foretellers, the new group will be a quintuplet. Since there will be 5. We only got 1 scene with the 3 of them. And the following scenes will probably be them meeting the other 2 new Foretellers and the 5 of them deciding the next course of action. I highly doubt they will be a trio. For all we know they will start to fight among each other again and become singles.


That's not a trio. And we only saw those 2 together for like 1 scene in BBS.

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no the two other perare will be either new or someone we already know

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And what about this guy? with that logic, surely he fits into the same category right?

There's nothing wrong with Ventus having two friendship groups. I personally like the Terra, Ventus and Aqua dynamic, but I have no problem with an alternate dynamic with Ventus. Speaking of which, Roxas had a dynamic with Hayner, Pence and Olette despite them being hologram's in the virtual Twilight Town, so two friendship groups in the Kingdom Hearts franchise is entirely possible.

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Player, Skuld and Ephemer surely aren't the X trio, lol.

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Me neither, but one can't deny that the probability of this theory has increased with these new developments shown in the trailer.
But of course it is still possible that there is another twist in store that mucks the whole thing upside down again...this is Nomura behind the story scenario after all.

I think you misunderstood what I said there (and I realized I may have worded it somewhat weirdly).
I am not insinuating that No Name/Luxu's Keyblade choose Ventus of its own volition. I'm speaking about the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony which according to Nomura every known wielder except Sora got somewhere during his/her life.
Xehanort found Ventus => decided to make the ceremony with him using No Name (since by the time Xehanort found Ven, he already had that Keyblade as he already left LoD and travelled the universe) => the ceremony is successful and Ventus is deemed worthy of his own blade which manifests as Wayward Wind (and this apparently rather fast as Ven can already summon it in the flashback with Xehanort).
I do not think that wielding No Name and having a ceremony performed with it necessarily means the same nor does having got the ceremony with it automatically means the new wielder is the next inheritor of the blade itself as one can perform more than one ceremony with the same blade.
It is possible though that by forging a "connection" with the blade the people who touch it also forge a connection with the X-era. Heck, that blade practically IS a physical connection to the X-era due to its make up and special ability.
Ventus' blade doesn't have the MoM-eye in it at all (instead its keychain has a green gemstone and two wing-like feathers) so whatever the connection would be it would not be necessarily a direct one.

Maybe arriving "last" also isn't the right word, but he was in both cases the third to arrive in the field of Keyblades and two more persons arrived afterwards.
in BBS, those two were Master Xehanort and Vanitas, now in Union Cross, we don't yet know who the last two are.
There are certainly parallels that cannot be denied even if the overall atmosphere is different this time around.




Maybe not even inadvertently?
Who knows, unlocking the sleeping Keyhole of the "Unchained Realm" may actually be a task in KH III?

That was different though as Sora and Riku were sent via time travel by Yen Sid and made younger via magic. For Ventus to appear in Union Cross without actually being from the past he does have the need to have some connection to it so he can appear in the dream.
As for his appearance, do not forget that this look was his actual appearance before he officially started training under Eraqus.
Furthermore, in another possibility, having his heart totally smashed like it was at the end of BBS may also have mucked up his memory again to a significant degree, so this appearance of him may be the only one he remembers.

If it is "a" Ventus from somewhere after Xehanort split his heart for the first time, meaning a Ventus not hailing actually from the X-era, he wouldn't have any Chirithy.
If Ventus has an own Chirithy, I would take that as an almost undeniable proof that he truly existed (as Ventus) in the past and truly hails from the x-era.



That's why I said I would take out the WTF-meme, but honestly, there are so many things that are "not supposed to work like that" that this doesn't seem too farfetched for Nomura.
I'm in this fandom long enough by now to know that there is almost nothing you can truly rule out with Nomura when he left anything vague lying around.

Did you forget that our "Player" avatar didn't even join the Dandelions? Ephemer and Skuld reaching out to Player was mainly to ensure that the "spectator" would still be around to witness the further story, not to mention that Nomura explicitly stated the other two are characters he "hasn't shown yet". This indicates a firmly set character with appearance and personality, not a chameleon like the Player-avatar who has as many different looks as there are Unchained players worldwide.

Why "randomly" though? Nowhere in any KH game outside of the chi era are any unions mentioned, not to mention that I find it a little weird that the "unions" are still a thing when the MoM explicitly ordered Ava to "forget the notions of unions" when it comes to the Dandelions.



Not only are you jumping to conclusions here as so far there is only one single scene with Ventus involved and there are supposed to be five key characters, not only three.

Furthermore, Sora is also part of two trios, the one with Riku and Kairi and another with Donald and Goofy, so why Ventus being part of two trios should be automatically bad is something I do not get behind.

In terms of personal opinion I certainly also do not like the prospect of him being truly a person from the past at all, but I won't judge anything when we haven't even seen that much yet and no actual idea how things will even develop from there.

At least for me, the prospect that Ventus gets finally some more attention and (hopefully) characterisation is the main thing I take away from this one.

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cool, it's possible… so? Not like that's gonna change anything at all. It just doesn't feel right to me to have TAV and VES. I just don't like the idea of it is all

@Sephy, I'm not jumping to conclusions, I merely meant to say "I don't want that to happen", I never said it would. ^^

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Yeah, I'd say there's just a minimal small little difference between having Riku become an antagonist for like two thirds of one game, making him return to the good side in the same game, and keeping all this "yo, Isa is really evil now and all" shit up up to this point in the story.
Besides, Isa isn't even fully himself anymore, so he can't just go "yo I'll just be un-norted and a good guy now, lol!"

Roxas had Hayner, Pence and Olette, yes, but honestly, whichever trailer or story part gives a shit about those guys? Like, they're not even close to being mentioned in - for example - scenes like Blank Points or so. They're friends' of Roxas's, yes, but the games themselves are giving them a whole different importance than Xion and Axel.

If they never bring Ephemera and Skuld into a future game, I could see it. If they appear in KH3 in any weird time travel way, I kinda couldn't. I already fear they won't give TAV enough screentime there to finally show their friendship, let alone diving into another friendship Ventus had.

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KINGDOM HEARTS χ is now its own trilogy.

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They have the dynamic of it. As well as they prevented the Player's certain death by making them a Dandelion. We've also seen all three of them at one place during the last moments. So it seems that they are a trio, and you kinda have to hand it off as our Player being a yet to be revealed character.

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if Ven existed in that time can he time travel to the past

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In the series' logical sense, yes. You can travel to times where another you exists.

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It's clearly not going to be a trio, it's going to be 5 people. I love TAV, they're my favorite group ever, but this isn't the first time a character is in a "trio" with another group. Obviously Ephemera and Skuld are no longer around, so it doesn't affect TAV in the least.

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My translation of the script. Though there might be lots of mistakes. Particularly MoM's dialogue. I have no idea what he wants to say.

[SPOILER]This is secret story of the 5 people chosen---
After everything ended, he waited for the others to come.

You shall appear to the other 4, and the group of 5 shall be complete.

????: I wonder if I'm the second one?

Ephemera: Skuld...It's you.

Skuld: Any complaints?
You know, I knew you would be here, Ephemera.

Ephemera: No, it's just that you came here immediately after the war?
I didn't expect you'd become a leader too.

Skuld: Well, the assigned place where the chosen 5 will gather is a secret after all.

Ephemera: Well, that's true.

Skuld: I wonder who the other three will be though?

Eph: Who knows?
Until you came here Skuld, I really doubted Lady Ava's words. I really didn't think about the kind of people who would come to this place.

Skuld: Ah! Someone's coming!
---
Case of Ava -- Most of the dialogue here are from Back Cover until

Ava: I understand.

MoM: Well, after all that....
---
Ava and Ephemera

Ava: I've chosen 5 people, including you, from the Dandelions.
You 5 shall be the new leaders of the Unions, and will lead everyone else accordingly.
...
I've chosen you as a leader, shouldn't you be happy a little bit?

Ephemera: Leader...huh...?
----
Continuation of the Case of Ava

Ava: Union leader?

MoM: Yes. Not just the Dandelions, but I've chosen 5 people as well to keep the Unions.

Ava: There will be those necessary who will maintain the unions?

MoM: Yup there is!

MoM: Once the Unions aren't needed, of course you guys will fight it. And then once all of you are gone, and if the rest of the world is destroyed, I'll make that part a secret.

Ava: Huh?

//Translation from Keyblade Avenger/Vidxad
MoM: The next generation does not need a memory of tragedy.
In a world separate from ours. I'll have you experience a time without tragedy.

Ava: Can you really do that?

MoM: Don't worry I'm working on it.
//End of translation
Before that though, these are the 5 people.
I've written there the the 5 people in addition to the Dandelions.
You decide the timing as to when to appoint them as leaders.

Ava: Huh, there's a kid here that's encircled?

MoM: Yup. This kid here will be the only one to inherit the Book of Prophecies.

Ava: Eh?

MoM: In the Book of Prophecies, there's all sorts of things written about the next world that's going to replace the current world.
Without that, there would be no way for others to know what it was like back then.

Ava: But isn't it dangerous?

MoM: Yup, the kid I encircled might be dangerous. That's why all the more, I want only this kid to inherit the secrets of the book.

Ava: Understood.
----
Skuld: So you're the 3rd person. I'm Skuld, nice to meet you!

????: Ah, yup. Nice to meet you too.

Eph: You're also sent by Master Ava?

????: Yup. She said to come here after everything's over.
If I want to become part of the 5 that is.

Eph: I see!
I'm Ephemera, nice to meet you.

Ven: I'm Ventus. You can call me Ven.
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So, what if the famous ''box'' it's like a time travel machine? What/whoever it is inside will not get older/age. What if Ventus body was inside it and that's why Xehanort is carrying him with a towel at the beginning of BBS? (He eventually found/got the box and found the boy inside)

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Not only do I doubt this is the case, I really hope it isn't. We have enough time-travel shenanigans as it is.

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Uh, this is a bit confused.
Xehanort carrying Ventus in that towel was not exactly the full "beginning". He found him way before that. When he brought Ventus to DI, that was after his heart was shattered and he had already been Xehanort's apprentice for quite some time.

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Hmm strange. I tried submitting it earlier and it's not appearing? Oh well. Here it is again. Translated script for the latest story update. Also, may have lots of mistakes especially MoM's dialogue. I have no idea what he wanted to say.
[SPOILER]This is secret story of the 5 people chosen---
After everything ended, he waited for the others to come.

You shall appear to the other 4, and the group of 5 shall be complete.

????: I wonder if I'm the second one?
Ephemera: Skuld...It's you.
Skuld: Any complaints?
You know, I knew you would be here, Ephemera.
Ephemera: No, it's just that you came here immediately after the war?
I didn't expect you'd become a leader too.
Skuld: Well, the assigned place where the chosen 5 will gather is a secret after all.
Ephemera: Well, that's true.
Skuld: I wonder who the other three will be though?
Eph: Who knows?
Until you came here Skuld, I really doubted Lady Ava's words. I really didn't think about the kind of people who would come to this place.
Skuld: Ah! Someone's coming!
---
Case of Ava -- Dialogue mostly from Back Cover until
Ava: I understand.
MoM: Well, after all that....
---
Ava and Ephemera
Ava: I've chosen 5 people, including you, from the Dandelions.
You 5 shall be the new leaders of the Unions, and will lead everyone else accordingly.
...
I've chosen you as a leader, shouldn't you be happy a little bit?
Ephemera: Leader...huh...?
----
Continuation of the Case of Ava
Ava: Union leader?
MoM: Yes. Not just the Dandelions, but I've chosen 5 people as well to keep the Unions.
Ava: There will be those necessary who will maintain the unions?
MoM: Yup there is!
MoM: Once the Unions aren't needed, of course you guys will fight it. And then once all of you are gone, and if the rest of the world is destroyed, I'll make that part a secret.
Ava: Huh?
//Translation from Keyblade Avenger/Vidxad
MoM: The next generation does not need a memory of tragedy.
In a world separate from ours. I'll have you experience a time without tragedy.
Ava: Can you really do that?
MoM: Don't worry I'm working on it.
//End of translation
Before that though, these are the 5 people.
I've written there the 5 people in addition to the Dandelions.
You decide the timing as to when to appoint them as leaders.
Ava: Huh, there's a kid here that's encircled?
MoM: Yup. This kid here will be the only one to inherit the Book of Prophecies.
Ava: eh?
MoM: In the Book of Prophecies, there's all sorts of things written about the next world that's going to replace the current world.
Without that, there would be no way for others to know what it was like back then.
Ava: But isn't it dangerous?
MoM: Yup, the kid I encircled might be dangerous. That's why all the more, I want only this kid to inherit the secrets of the book.
Ava: Understood.
----
Skuld: So you're the 3rd person. I'm Skuld, nice to meet you!
????: Ah, yup. Nice to meet you too.
Eph: You're also sent by Master Ava?
????: Yup. She said to come here after everything's over.
If I want to become part of the 5 that is.
Eph: I see!
I'm Ephemera, nice to meet you.
Ven: I'm Ventus. You can call me Ven.[/SPOILER]

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I wonder who will inherent the Book of Prophecies, I am thinking Ephemera. But the person who is said to inherent it, is said to be dangerous...And Ephemera can't hurt a fly. So it can't be him, so who is it?

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Guys, I'm going to be super optimistic for once on this forum: this looks soooo good.

I keep thinking about it and... I love it. The master telling Ava to pick new union leaders to meet in a secret place, Ephemer and Skuld's roles in the coming future, and the presence of Ventus... I love the direction they're going with this. I'm going to say this once and never again: I love X's story. If the direction they're going with this isn't deceiving in any way, then I'm all on board. Consider me a new Ventus fan.

These Birth by Sleep characters... they keep getting better with each appearance. Terra and Aqua in 0.2 killed it, and Ventus' story looks so interesting so far. You could say that I'm hooked. Keep it up with Eraqus in Kingdom Hearts III and you'll consider me a Birth by Sleep fan too.

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@Qbaysan Really nice of you to share this, now it makes more sense.

But still I can't help but wonder why exactly Ven might be chosen to handle the book of prophecies. Something's very fishy here and I bet MOM is gonna be of more trouble than he already is.

I also already predict a tragedy to occur as this story will meet it's climax.

But man what a nostalgic callback to have Ven saying his famous quote at the end.

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we dont know who has the book it said someone has the book

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What? You sure? A few months ago before the end of Chi everyone was like "yeah they are defintitely a trio!" and some were "dudes, they are not a trio, we haven't even seen the three of them together yet", and then we saw the three of them together and everyone was like "told ya they were a trio" and then everything went silent. So when did they get untriod? I thought some had even created a name for them...

Indeed. It does make me wonder where he was all Season 1 if he really turns out to be a Dandelion. Shouldn't we have seen him during the Dandelion meeting?

Well, I did assume that Keyblade Masters only perform the ceremony once, but they can indeed do it more often. But I too think you misunderstood what I meant. If it is indeed the connection Ventus has to No Name (through said ceremony) that makes him appear in X Cross, wouldn't a more likely candidate be someone who got the No Name as Keyblade? So perhaps a Master performs multiple ceremonies with No Name, only 1 apprentice gets the No Name. And we can assume that he too got the ceremony with No Name. So just as all the other apprentices he now has a connection to the X Chi era through No Name. But because he inherited No Name and thus uses it only a more regular basis and thus is in more contact with it than any of the other apprentices, wouldn't his connection be stronger to the Chi era than the others?
I'm not implying that Ventus should get a Keyblade with a eyeball in it. Like Luxu's wise words once said "ew!". Seriously, I have so many questions now...

Hmm, foreshadow that one of them gets the BoP and the other will work together with him for an evil plot? But wait, in BBS Braig also sneakingly arrived to fight Aqua. The parrelel would be Luxu's future apprentice arrives as well? Probably overthinknig this now. Eitherway, I feel good about the scene.
Ventus's adventure started at the Keyblade Graveyard, and ended at the Keyblade Graveyard. And now I feel sad again.


Well, if he knowingly unlocks the Sleeping Keyhole he would know that he was in a dream world. So wouldn't he realize then what happend and that currently his heart is shattered? I think that would really complicate things. I'm not much of a medical guy, but a guy who realizes mid coma treatment that he is actually in a coma and that if he wakes up not fully healed he might die. I think that's not good...
But hey, make it a mission in KH3 why not. Sora is busy, Riku is busy. So why not give the mission to Kairi and Lea? I always wanted Lea and Ventus to further develop their friendship. I wonder if they even remember each other...

Like I said, I have a hard time understanding DDD. But, if he needs a connection and he is in Sora's Heart, the Heart that connections everyone. Couldn't that be a connection? Too farfetche'd?
I know that's his younger appearance. Same for Sora and Riku right? Sora just got some new clothes and Riku cut his hair together with their younger appearances.
While that is a possibility, I honestly doubt that. He did give his armor to Sora after all, so he surely remembers that.

Why couldn't they just assign a Chirithy to Ventus right now? We don't know how the process of assigning a Chirithy to a Player works. We know they are Dream Eaters, Sora and Riku bonded with Dream Eaters, so why wouldn't Ventus bond with a Chirithy? And I was more curious as what the effect would be theoretically. If we look at Nightmare Chirithy, he exists because of the Darkness in our heart and the Darkness we collected with the Guilt. So what would happen if the person has no Darkness in his heart? It's not that it per se has to happen, it's just something I'd like to know. What would happen in theory.


We didn't. But Skuld and Ephemer did come to get us right? Was that scene a hallucination? Sure didn't expect that.
But yeah, probably wouldn't be us. But I wonder what in-game explanation we will get.

True, but there wasn't any mention of that phrase in the KH serie either, until 2.8. And apparently that will become a regular thing now, from which they will derive strength. I can see them try to write in the Unions as well, but because it's this late in the story it will probably look very sudden and random.
Also, I think MoM meant that when Ava was recruiting members she should look past Union. I don't think he explicitly said to abandon the system.

As for mentions to the Unions and Foretellers. Just rewatched the 2015 KH3 Trailer, and Xehanort talks about the "Lost Masters". So apparently the original Foretellers become Lost Masters. I'm sure this has been noted before.




Huh... guess I'm off the "no new trio for Ventus" wagon. I don't support a new trio, but it has been done before, so why not again. (just don't forget TAV exists...)


Wouldn't that be exactly how it would work if Nomura wanted Lea and Isa to be friends again? Just blame it all on the "he was controlled by Xehanort" card if we want a cheesy ending.

Well they did help in Kingdom Hearts 2. And Roxas feelings were strong enough for them to make them feel things for Sora all the way through the Virtual and into the real world. No need to use crude language dude.

Even if they become a trio (which I don't want), I don't think Nomura would let them replace TAV. Especially with what we saw in 0.2 No way he suddenly will just toss aside Aqua.



But is time travel through the RoS considered actually "existing" in that place? If the Sleeping Keyhole will be unlocked, wouldn't you immediatly stop "existing" there?

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Fair point

However I like to believe it might turn out to be Ven for reasons connected as of why Xehanort was after him all this time.

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O, thanks for the translation!

Huh... them talking about who will inherit the BoP and then cutting the scene back to the meeting of Ven. Makes Ven look mighty suspicious of the one to inherit the Book. But if he really is from the Chi era it might even make sense. He reads the future, tries some time travel shenanigangs and ends up in the future with his memories lost in a effort to prevent the next Keyblade War (which we know Xehanort tries to create).

It's not said that the person who will get the book will be dangerous, just that he can be dangerous. He can be dangerous because he knows more then the rest, knowledge is power. Which makes him more powerful then the rest, and if he or she chooses the path of darkness, he will be a serious threat. But he or she might also choose the path of light, making him/her no threat at all. So determing who gets the book by crossing off who is the least evil, is not gonna work. Hell, we know enough stories where the good guy gets turned to the Darkside, so that would be a twist just waiting to happen.

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It would, and I so much hope it never happens. >: Just no.

I also have to say that even though the BBS cast was flatter than italian pizza in BBS, I still kinda liked them (ok Terra sucked mostly but even he had his moments) and just reading the name "Ventus" in the discussions over and over soothes my heart so much. Love that little cinnamon roll.

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Hey, me too man. I'm just making you aware that they damn well can do that. Seriously, none of the Norts should get redemption in my opinion.

<.< I will just scroll past this...

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People think I legitimately hate Terra, but there's this really cute moment where he initiates a mock keyblade ceremony to Ventus that I adore. Seriously, we needed more scenes like that in the original to really buy their friendship. I buy it now, but if it wasn't for 0.2 I'd still think it was bullshit.

Anyways, that is all over now since pretty much all 3 bland pancakes from BbS have redeemed themselves so far! (Ventus we've yet to see, but I have faith in him)

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I mean I'm still not too big on Terra yet (there wasn't enough about him in 0.2 to make me like him), but I always liked his moments with Ven in BBS. Like the one you mentioned, or like protecting him from Eraqus.

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Welp as others have said this before, it looks like we might get a Ventus focused game like 2.8 or atleast an animation movie similar to back cover. Whatever they do, IM READY!!!

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Terra's very serious, but his best moments are definitely the moments when he's angry, like when he grabs onto Terranort in 0.2 or when he protects Ventus from Eraqus in Birth by Sleep. THOSE moments are great.

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It also shows that there is actually more to him than being a pissed whiny dork who can't accept that people spy on his stupidity. Like come on, whoever believes that Braig was able to chain up that old geezer-fart deserves to be spied on!!

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That's all stuff which is called theorizing, wishful thinking and making interpretations and/or headcanons, nothing to be taken as confirmed fact since nothing towards this particular point was actually officially confirmed anywhere.



Because that would have been a huge spoiler or Ventus' role is remarkable bigger. Ephemer also wasn't at the meeting so it isn't really an indicator.
Not to mention that Ventus' words in the trailer indicate he too spoke alone with Ava at some point.

Ah I see, but the answer to that is rather simple: The one who has the No Name is expected to record present events unfolding with it so the MoM has material for the Book of Prophecies. During the actual past era Luxu himself is around to do that, but later on the current holder of it would inherit that task (or "will" if one wants to quote Young Xehanort from Re: Coded).
Due to this, the strength of the connection to the x-era isn't necessarily the deciding factor. There are still quite some unknown variables in this puzzle at the moment, so it is logical to not yet get a detailed picture of how and why.

Possible, but not more likely than any other possibilities right now. Remember that this translation is a rough one and the poster even said it may hold several errors especially in the parts of the MoM speaking.
Fact is though that by giving one of the five "new" leaders a BoP there might be another copy of it (if it isn't Ava's copy that gets passed down).

Braig appeared after the fight had already started though, it's also just a parallel with BBS pointed out, it does not have to have significant story relevance.
Just with what we have right now there can certainly be someoverthinking since the possiblities are still so vast.
Heh, if you want to be nitpicky you could even say that Ventus' life started (and ended) at the Keyblade Graveyard at least twice since it was the location where both of his heart fractures happened.


If he doesn't know the Keyhole he locks is a Sleeping Keyhole why would he immediately know that this is a dream world?
I doubt that Lea remembers much of their meeting as it was a really short one-time deal, him not reacting to Roxas' appearance at all (while both Xigbar and Xemnas do take note and mention it at least in the Secret Reports) also points otherwise.
In DDD Lea also shows much more interest in Isa and Roxas and about the latter he even has a dream/vision shortly before waking up.

It could be a connection, although that would imply Sora having connections to the chi-era as well. Like said above, there are still several unknown variables in play, but locations in the RoS can definitely reached via dreaming alone if you are inside the RoS so no time travel is needed and no rule that a "version of you" must be there applies either. The sleeping worlds Sora and Riku visit in DDD are aso from the past (from before KH 1 to be precise) and they interact in them without having actually time traveled there.
The reason Yen Sid used time travel to send them to the Destiny Islands of the past (shortly before it fell to Darkness) was done in order to provide Sora and Riku an entry point into the RoS, Ventus, being a sleeping heart (just like the hearts of the worlds Sora and Riku visited) doesn't need that extra step.
Sora's and Riku's younger appearance was Yen Sid's doing, not any memory shenanigans.
So their case isn't really comparable to Ventus'.
Not if the Ventus visiting the chi-era is the only post-first heart split but before starting training under Eraqus, in this case he wouldn't be able to remember any shoulder pauldron or armor because he didn't get it yet.
When Xehanort first brings him to Eraqus four years before BBS he has the same younger apperance without shoulder pauldron and cheststraps as he is supposed to be 10/11 around that time (the model in BBS doesn't reflect that because they were too lazy to create a younger model for the flashbacks, same goes for Terra and Aqua). Due to his heart being still damaged (newborn Sora stabilized it, not fully healed it), he falls comatose under Terra's ill-advised barrage of questions and then remains that way for apparently several days with Aqua watching over him, still being in his younger appearance.
Even after he wakes, we don't know how long the recuperation process took until he was stable enough to actually start training with Terra and Aqua and only then would Eraqus give him the cheststraps and shoulder pauldron.

Of course they "could" assign Ven a Chirithy (who is "they" though? Ava? Another Foreteller? I doubt the Dandelions have the power/right to assign Chirithies among themselves), but wouldn't they first wonder why Ventus doesn't have one in the first place?
On this notion it would be interesting to see the conversation between Ventus and Ava and what she said to him. If Ventus is not originating from the x-era I wonder if Ava would know/recognize that.
Nightmare Chirithy was created not only from collecting Guilt/darkness with the bangle (Ira explicitly stated this part of the whole procedure to be okay in Back Cover) but also from unwittingly/unknowingly using it.
Considering this, I wonder if this process is exactly what first introduced darkness into the hearts of the people of the x-era, in accordance with the part speaking about it from the story of Kairi's grandma.
Going by this, if Ventus would not only collect Guilt but also use it it could possibly lead to a Nightmare Chirithy to be born from the Darkness gathered from defeated Heartless with the bangle either way.



It will look random precisely because there would be a huge gap. Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus and the two unknowns are supposed to lead the unions in Unchained/Union Cross but they are gone by the time Xehanort's and Eraqus' era comes around, then they suddenly come back in KH III?
Yea, random is the right word for it.

Them being the Lost Masters is almost clear at this point I would say.

I'm of the opinion to just wait and see, it's way too early to heap praise or get out the pitchforks. I also think that the fear of "pushing TAV aside" is somewhat unfounded especially with 0.2 around which more or less gives a prospect of more TAV in the future rather than less.
I'm also wanting for Ventus' connection and relationship with Sora to be finally explored more and have the "super-special-connection"-stuff told to the audience actually shown in some capacity, but I don't see possible new connections made here necessarily preventing all the important stuff Ven has with "present" characters precisely because they are shown here. If these connections are already explored in Union Cross, it isn't necessary anymore to do that in detail during KH III itself.

Strictly spoken in the RoS you are "outside of time" so that wouldn't be an issue.
Also no, did Riku and Sora immediately stop to exist in a sleeping world when they unlocked the Sleeping Keyhole?



You bring an intriguing point to the table here as, even when we ignore the question if Ven truly originates from the past era for now, he definitely has a sort of tight connection to it somehow and, like Ephemer and Skuld, can access the Unchained realm.

Going by that, it is entirely possible that Xehanort is after Ventus for additional reasons compared to it just being [strike]pedo-urges[/strike]...err, I mean vessel-business.

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KINGDOM HEARTS Union χ [CROSS]

english pre-registration is now open

man, im sorry but i mourn for unchained. it had a much better title/logo lol.

i wonder if we'll get a rebranding every season (if they do more than two)

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Ven: I'm Ventus. You can call me Ven.

So either this means Ven had his nickname pre-Baldy, or this is some weird dreaming situation

Ven, how many times do you have to do this until you just introduce yourself as just Ven. I kinda love that quirk, it adds to his dorkiness. But still my boy, just have people call you Ven first thennnnnn

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If that translation is correct I really wonder at least a little about it.
Wasn't it Terra who gave him that shortened Nickname first?
I remember Old Baldynort always calling him by his full name too.

Yea, lol, it is a little of a dorky quirk as if I recall correctly in Harry Potter Ron Weasley also introduced himself almost always only as "Ron".
His mother and teachers like McGonagall were the only ones to actually call him "Ronald".

Maybe Nomura thinks this is a sort of "catchphrase" for Ven just like Axel/Lea's "got it memorized?" or Xemnas' "Indeeeed" and Braig/Xigbar's "As if!".

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Ooh, pre-registration!

Eh, I don't mind the name too much. It's unwieldy, but it won't diminish what I think of the expansion once it comes out.



I like that characteristic of him too, it's very unique to the series. You never hear anyone call Roxas "Roxie" or anything (although now that I think about it i'm all for that)

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I think it was the novels that said Terra gave him that nickname because Terra couldn't pronounce Ventus. So I guess that part of the book-canon is crossed out.

It must be a catch phrase. I think he said it 6 times in BbS? Maybe I'm overcalculating




I can't think of anyone else who has a nickname in the series.... other than the ones we give them. I mean, Xehanort completely rips Ansem off, but that's not a nickname.

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I really want the purple-haired girl from one of the X/Unchained X quests to be one of the five. Mainly because this series needs more girls, and I'm worried they're going to use those two guys from the Beast Castle's mission (and they totally will), so that we'll have four boys and one girl. At least with the Foretellers we had three guys and two girls! But anyway...

I'm hyped about this Ven stuff, because I think he and Terra could use some development. Tbh, I have a love-hate relationship with Ven. At first I hated him for calling Aqua "awful" for doubting Terra... right after she had assured him that Terra was okay. Hypocrite, much? And then it bothered me that he didn't listen to Aqua (like he should've), and then just went to other worlds to try and make new friends--instead of working things out with Terra and Aqua! But then I just realized that he's a foolish and sweet child (and I should excuse him some, and not take too much of what he does to heart for that reason), and that he was AWESOME by the end of his story... So if we're going to get more of him and see him develop more in Union X (err, that's what the game's called, right?), then I'm all for it.

I also, personally, hope that Ventus is a dandelion. Expanding on his past would be cool to me. Because it's always irked me that we have no idea, where TVA are from or what their lives were like before they became Keyblade wielders (at least we know that with SRK), so here's hoping for that information with this!

Anyway, I have to say that this came at a good time! I was just about to give up on playing Unchained, tbh (SENA's unfair greed just finally got to me), but this has given me reason to tough it out and keep playing, probably:)

Also, Chi continues to be one of my favorite stories for this franchise, tbh. I love it so much. ^_^ ...I just hate how spread out it all is. It's like what ended up happening with FFXV's story. Ehh.

@kirabook A lot of fans call Kairi "Kai", because of that moment in KHII when Sora hasn't completely remembered her name yet and calls her that in his memories. But it doesn't really count, I know.

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Most nicknames or shortened variants come indeed from the fandom, although Xigbar/Braig is notorious in-series for using some like i.e. "Kiddo" for Sora, Ven and Roxas alike, "Poppet" for Xion or "Tiger" for Roxas alone.

Having a true nickname directly derived from one's actual name in-universe though I think is still unique to Ventus, just like his backhand wielding being his default stance.
We have seen both Riku and Sora backhand-wield, but that was only temporary and is not their primary battle style.
Young Xehanort also wields his blue laserblades in a dual backhand style like Zidane from FF IX, but I dunno if that counts since when he has a Keyblade, he wields it normal in forward style.



That was from the novels? Heh, must be, as I couldn't find the passage in BBS' dialogue script. Then it is of arbitrary canon value anyways and should not be fully taken into consideration either way.
Goofy however really did have problems pronouncing Ven's full name, which I find a little ridiculous as his full name is actually one of the easier ones, except of course if the pronouncing is really difficult in Japanese which can't really be "translated" well.

He did give it some variation though in some cases at least?



Well, Ventus is simply not used to his friends bickering like that and thus couldn't really handle the situation.
He didn't listen to her because in his view, she was also "ordered" by Eraqus to bring him home (Aqua didn't object to this when he asked so her telling him later she's worried about his safety doesn't really convince him anymore, not to mention that he wanted to travel together with Aqua where he would be undoubtly have been safer than alone and she was the one to reject him).
It is precisely because Ventus doesn't know how to handle this "fallout" with his friends and how to "work things out" that he decides to roam the worlds more and try to make new friends.
This is in order to learn more about how friendship actually works and what possibilities there are to "work things out", or, to say it with Vanitas' words: "Come on, what could you possibly know when you're stuck here, looking at nothing but what's in your tiny world?"
Ventus does all this to expand his own horizon and views on things and in each world he visits after Radiant Garden (Lea and Isa actually giving the starting shot as the first example) he learns about some different aspects that friendship can be about, aspects he didn't get to learn in the overly sheltered environment of Land of Departure.

I can see from where you come, but extending his "past" by thousands of years is a little overdoing it in my view, lol.
Then there's also the valid concern some have already expressed here that a too tight connection of Ventus to the past could possibly damage his connection and integration with the present characters, especially Terra and Aqua but also Sora.

This is a concern I share as well. They just have led all the old story material concerning the present era together on the PS 4 to "combat" the spread out and now they start it anew with Unchained X/Union cross and since Ventus is in it as well as Maleficent teased earlier, one can't convince me that the stuff that is about to unfold and come here is less important in relation to KH III than the one-hour filler-teaser that is X Back Cover.

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So it looks like we get a really nice bonus if enough pre-registrations take place. Top prize is 5000 Jewels and enough of a new Upright Speed Medal to Guilt it. Really hope that Sora and Roxas turns out to be AoE...I still need a good guilted Upright AoE Speed Medal.

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You bring up some good points:) I actually hadn't thought about how what Ven's doing in BbS is actually what Vanitas suggested he do. But that's actually a really important factor that I definitely overlooked!

I should have made it clear in my initial post that that negativity I felt for Ven was moreso on my first playthrough of BbS (sorry for the confusion ^_^'). But since then, I've mellowed out and actually like the character quite a bit. And her certainly has a lot of potential, as a character whose personality is somewhere between Sora and Roxas'.

There are sometimes when he still bothers me, though (like, I recently realized he puts air quotes around the word "ordered" when talking to Aqua. "Were you also 'ordered' to take me home?", almost as if he didn't believe Aqua was actually told to do that by Eraqus!), but even that I can push down and just remember that BbS just had bad writing with the trio, and that Ven's only a child.



I guess this one doesn't bother me as much. Because I think we'll still get those things in KHIII. But if Nomura wants to develop other relationships for Ven through this, where's the harm? Other people have talked about how other characters have friends outside of their trios in this forum and that's very true. Sora has Donald and Goofy, Riku has Mickey... there's Roxas, Hayner, Pence, and Olette, as other people have said.

There was Sora, Riku Replica, and Namine in Re:Chain of Memories. And then you even have Roxas, Namine, and Axel all having interactions with each other in II (as opposed to Roxas, Axel, and Xion). And even Riku and Namine... Riku and Axel... and some Ansem the Wise, Riku, and Namine stuff (though Ansem could hardly be called friends with them, I know)... Some Sora, Riku, and Lea encounters in DDD (and presumably some Lea and Kairi ones in the future, maybe?), etc.

So having some Ventus, Ephemer, and Skuld being friends with each other doesn't seem that outlandish or damaging to me. But I can understand why others wouldn't agree.



I knew this was going to happen from the moment Nomura revealed that X and Unchained X were going to be different. I was reassured for a while, when it became clear that Unchained X would retell all of X's story before jumping into new things (that hopefully X players would also get to play, or look up online), but then the movie happened and...

It ruined everything. And I'm saying that as a massive fan of it. But Back Cover is so not something you can watch by itself, if you want to get the full story here.

I get why they handled Back Cover as they did, because if it had covered everything people would wonder what the point of Unchained X being a thing even was. And I understand that with "Season 2" (now Union X), Nomura's trying to tide us over until KHIII (which is nice of him), but now it's just created a huge mess. And I feel sorry for people on the outside trying to figure it all out.

Maybe KH was just never meant to be easy to understand, sadly. But all of this after they finally got all the games together on one console:(

This is somewhat off-topic... But I guess this just goes to show I shouldn't be so sure that Nomura could've handled parts of XV any better than Tabata did. I, and many fans, are irritated at Tabata for making it so you couldn't understand XV without also watching Kingsglaive and Brotherhood with it. But then Nomura went and did this with Chi. So yeah... Who's to say that the structure of XV's narrative would have been handled any better with Nomura?

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Ahh... and here I thought the fanbase decided who the trios are and what the trios nicknames are.

Very true. But I do want a in-game explanation as to where Ventus was during Season 1 (if he was there at all) and most importantly, how he got in contact with Madam Ava (they will probably show that though).


But copies of the Foretellers end at the Keyblade War right? So Ava's copy would be useless now.

So then he would inadvertently unlock the Sleeping Keyhole. He isn't aware it's a Sleeping Keyhole.
I did suspect that. But I really loved the chemistry between the two (in that one scene), so I hope that Ventus still remembers Lea. Might even make a funny conversation between the two. Eitherway, whether they remember each other or not, that team up will be awesome.


Wait did they have to go to Destiny Islands again? Is it the same case as when a world is about to fall in Darkness only then you can get to the RoD? When a world is about to fall into the RoS you can only enter the RoS? I should probably start playing DDD HD...
Yes, I saw you post that idea earlier, and while that is possible I doubt it. Because that alone already rises a few questions. Did Ventus just have a whole RoS experience in just a few days (a week at most) and then wake up with no memories of it? Could be plausible because he was unstable at the time. But if this is what happens to Ventus after he passes out for a few days (due to Heart failures), what would happen to Ventus when he is passed out for over a decade with a complete shattered Heart?

Yeah, it's more just me being curious about what would happen to a Chirithy who has a Player with a Heart of Pure Light. Probably wouldn't fit story wise. The only moment he could have been assigned a Chirithy was when he interacted with Ava.
So it doesn't matter if the Heart of person is pure light or light and dark, if they use the Guilt Bangle, a Dark Chirithy will be born because it's not the Darkness of the persons heart, but the Darkness of the Heartless he defeated and collected in the Bangle?


Yeah, I think we would all agree on that. I just thought it got a bit lost in all the recent information we've gotten and the fact that the trailer is a few years old. Because this makes me wonder why they refer to them as Lost Masters and not Foretellers.

Well I thought we were talking about it in another way, like: You enter RoS, go to your time and place you want and thus "exist" (but how do we define existing?) there. Then go back to the RoL or RoD. And then time travel to that time and place in the RoL or RoD because you did exist in a RoS version. And the moment someone unlocks the Keyhole, you access point to that time and place will be gone because your RoS version stopped existing. I thought we were talking about it in that way.
Sora and Riku always left the world after they unlocked it? Like I said, DDD is weird. I just don't...

No Name lead Xehanort to him because they both have a connection to the Chi era, knowingly or unknowingly to Xehanort?

I doubt it. Season one was Chi and Ux. Which took 3 years. Ux took 1, but it just reused almost everything from Chi. So I think Season two will atleast take 2 years. Unless they decide to do it without fillers and go straight through the main story, I think it will take 2-3 years. Also, with KH3 drawing near (or so we hope) I don't think they can squeeze in another season.

Hmm, I'm all for 5k Jewels. Honestly not that much for something as major as this. But it's the highest we've ever gotten, so I'll take it.

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yeah i'm not really under the impression that unchained will end with kh3? so long as it makes money i can see it being supported theoretically.

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Uhh... how would they continue the game theoretically? Coz the moment this game loses it's importance to the story I'm out.

After KH3 the Xehanort Saga will be over, why continue this game. The most plausible thing to do (if they want to keep the munnyz) is to make a new game for the new Saga. Give that game story importance.

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It's not hard to imagine scenarios. I'm sure most of us pre-KHx would've been like "How will they continue the game past the Keyblade War?" and here we are. It really depends how the story progresses, and how it connects to KH3 whether or not they could continue it, or find new stories to tell.

The game is a big money maker, so they're likely going to want to keep it going for as long as it is viable, and it's definitely built in such a way that it can keep going.

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So basically what they are doing right now with the app, but then for a whole new Saga?

I'm really confused by Ventus appearing in this game, does anyone have an official explanation for his appearance?

Sweet, lady Jesus.. I have no other immediate words or thoughts on this trailer..

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Aqua actually references it too when she is in Dwarf Woodlands and has the flashback about Ven awakening, that it might be time for Ventus to actually start a journey and learn.

Nah, it's ok, you know how I like my essay-long lore posts, lol.
Nearly all of the characters in Birth by Sleep have very good potential that was also hinted at in BBS, but then only scratched on the surface.
The shoddy writing, especially in some parts with dialogue, and setting the wrong priorities with the scenario then did the rest of making BBS and its characters what they are today.

That one comes over to me more as him being sassy/sarcastic, but the Radiant Garden scene is nonethelless one of the more glaringly bad written pieces in BBS as a whole.
At least mentally spoken Ventus strictly is still a child. He has only four years worth of memories at that point combined with a very sheltered upbringing in Land of Departure.
Due to him arriving there in a pitiful and weakened state both Aqua and Terra (as stated in the reports) develop a sort of overprotective streak towards him which of course also factors into the "sheltered upbringing" part.



I personally am completely with you on this one, lol, I brought forth these or similar arguments for this issue somewhile earlier in this thread as well.

Sora already has two trios he's part of so why shouldn't Ventus be able to have the same.




Blegh, if I have to be completely honest I would've preferred if all this Chi-stuff, if it really has to be canon, had been moved to the next saga and not also be added on the already huge cluster of stuff that has to be already addressed in KH III by the other games.
I seriously can't remember if there was ever a KH title that answered more questions than it opened new ones, and I am deliberately counting reports here as well.

Don't get me wrong I like Back Cover as well mainly for the really good animation, voice work and to get a little more insight into the Foretellers, but lore/story-wise and in terms of accessibility to more casual fans it is a catastrophe and really nothing more than a giant teaser.

KH could be easier to understand if all the lore information would be easier to access and digest. I.5 + 2.5 and 2.8 in tandem certainly go a long way to this, especially if one also counts the chronicles and mementos in DDD, but all the Ultimania/interview exclusive stuff and now the Union cross-stuff is still missing.
Heck, the story parts that are exclusive to Browser Chi like i.e. Aced's "fascist"-leaning "solution", Gula's conversation with Skuld, Ava's confrontation with Luxu etc. are practically all totally inaccessible for western casuals except if they go through the youtube-walkthough of story scenes.
Back Cover "covers" nothing from this because it stops at the scene where Ava adresses the Dandelions time-line wise.

Tabata and Nomura aren't so different when it comes to storytelling actually, i.e. when one looks at Final Fantasy Type-0 which was directed by Tabata. Many of the interesting and informative story parts, even whole cutscenes, can be only read/viewed through the big "Rubicus"-book in the library of Akademeia and also only after the secon playthrough.


They actually do...in fanworks that is. ;P

Heh, I wouldn't really count on that being too detailed, maybe we'll get some small flashbacks but that might be it. Unless Ventus does become not only friendly/a regular companion to Ephemer, Skuld and possibly the unknown other two, but also with the Player avatar, it is not even sure that we as the audience see him very often. Ephemer's screentime in "Season 1" was rather rare and Skuld, while more present, was also only around for a few story quests.
Of course, Nomura said these five are "key characters" so their screentime might increase, but on that we also can only wait and see.


Good point, didn't even think about that part. Although, how could the Foretellers draw medals depicting people of the future from their books (and cast illusions of Disney worlds from them which the Keykids visit) if their tomes end at the Keyblade War?

If no one told him from where should he know what a sleeping Keyhole is?
As far as we know Ventus isn't exactly a book worm so the chance that he actually read about it while skimming through Eraqus' (private) library is rather thin I would say.



It is the tutorial of DDD. Yen Sid explains it actually pretty detailed in DDD itself. In order for Riku and Sora to reach the Realm of Sleep, so I'll just quote him directly:


How much time passes in the RoL (or rather how long Ven sleeps) literally doesn't matter when it comes to dreaming as in a dream you can do things over several months in just one night alone. There isn't a limit or a ratio as to how much time "passes" because in the dream, real time doesn't pass at all.
Also, do you remember every dream you have?
Not to forget that Ventus is/was literally still in a bad shape during those times where he experiences those comas.

You're mixing up time travel and the RoS. In order to time travel to a certain location during a certain time a version of you must already exist in that exact location beforehand. There also exist no separate "RoS"-versions of worlds. When a world is in the RoS it doesn't exist in the RoL , the RoD or the Realm between and vice versa, the only known exception so far being The World that Never Was, which can exist in both the RoS and the Realm between at the same time, this exception however has been explicitly pointed out by Nomura himself. It isn't yet clear if other In-between worlds have the same ability.
RoL-worlds definitely don't have this ability, they can be only either in the RoS, the RoD or the RoL.

Certainly also a possibility, that Keyblade is rather creepy and weird to begin with so why shouldn't it also have the ability to "sense" connections to the era it originally comes from?



As of now there are no official explanations, only theories and interpretations. How Ventus can be there and why is as much a mystery as the current whereabouts of Terra after Xehanort returned as old geezer in DDD.

I get the importance of the unions from a gameplay perspective (although to be honest, it was never really needed) but keeping them as a story element by dividing the Dandelions again doesn't make any sense to me. What's the point here other than falling into the same MoM's trap a second time?

I really hope with the release of Union [cross] the English and Japanese version will be equals, at least considering story and gameplay updates. I really doesn't make sense to still have this content gap.

I've got a feeling that I'll be so confused, but it'll be explained in time. Just hype!

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I'm sry if anyone had mention this.

[SPOILER]what if the “dangerous kid” is Xehanort or maybe his first ever master, to have the BoP. Maybe MoM really want to reenact keyblade war without “awaking” the wielder from the world.[/SPOILER]

I'm not completely dug info from new Ux but I'll do it later.

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It was a mistranslation. The kid himself isn't dangerous, but if the book he inherits gets into the wrong hands then it could be dangerous.

so I my theory is completely boosh at this point.. ~~

Don't worry about it! It was just a mistranslation, I even made a post about a dangerous foreteller earlier :)

*breathes in*
I promised myself to stop bitching about how "Union Cross" is a dumb name, but wanted to say "Cross Union" would have sounded much better.

*breathes out*
Now that that's out of the way I can focus on everything else, like how Ventus is now a possibility for what's in the Master of Master's box.

they're both equally bad if anything. xD

It's not Cross Union? *double checks* ....well now I hate the name and I feel that's saying something seeing as I could tolerate KH's names up to this point but really the Chi thing is already confusing enough we don't need to now call it "Cross"....

lol, welcome to the club. what do you think about the logo? :P

It's really poorly designed. The contrast between the gradient fill and the outline is just plain bad, it makes it look fuzzy almost or not there at all. I think the mistake is that the same gradient fill was applied to the upper and middle of the outline as well meaning the only thing separating the thick outline and the fill on the upper and middle is a very thin white line. Lack of color is jarring KH logos generally have at least one strong main color even if they stick to mostly black and greys, here though there is only a faint teal glow of chi. It's design 101 to not make parts of pictures that overlap, that you want to stick out, the same color and yet where the letters and hearts overlapped they did just that so it weakens the contrast even further. It's also super awkward because there is no white space behind the E, A, and H where there logically should be...and I know they've done that a few times and they did it for Chi but I friggin hate it every time. Either have a logical white space represented or put a fill behind it but don't do this half thing where only D, M, O have it and nowhere else. Finally it lacks any real elegancy in the middle, we lost that big beautiful Chi symbol and since this is still called "Cross" I don't get why we couldn't have a nicely re-designed chi symbol that looked more like a cross in the middle than.

Give it a 5.7/10

My theory is Ven is merely a projection by the Book of Prophecy. That thing can create entire worlds of solid illusion.

Its horrible T_T

I liked the green/blue on the KHX and KHuX logos. I really hope they keep that same theme. And if they change the app icon again, they better make it top the Ephemera and Skuld one!

But the spikes on the new logo...But why is the heart now black? Not the usual Blue/Green color.

Has anyone noticed the new eye colors and styles on the Avatars? Those violet and aqua eyes look so pretty *-*

Cat eyes! I like the people ones!And the blue ones are pretty cute!

I wonder if we are getting any new hair colors!

I've heard [from] that there are no new options for hair color or skin tone in the PAX East demo, but there are a lot of new face options to choose from.And, theater mode will be a thing.

...

@SE please let me have long green hair on my female avatar without the Namine B style ,:^))

Aw...Guess we will have to wait till April in NA, and late March or April for JP.

I really hope we get more hair colors! I mean, at this point we basically can have Master of Master's eyes so...


​Get it? The cateyes?

I don't mind if it isn't that detailed (I know how Chi is).
Well Ephemer and Skuld in Season 1 were to set everything up for Season 2. So I think they will get much more screen time (well, if we don't get alot of fillers that is). There are now so many scenarios in which they could pop up during Quests.

I have no idea. They've never touched upon that lore since the beginning (can we even consider it canon). Perhaps there are many different version of the books like we've seen now. 5 up till the Keyblade War. 1 after the Keyblade War. MoM probably has one gigantic book that contains all the future events. So our powers are linked to our Foretellers Books, and those Books are linked to the MoMs Book. Thus giving us powers from the future. (which confirms Ventus is from the future?)

So he would inadvertently close the Keyhole. Atleast not knowing that it isn't a Keyhole to the Heart of the World, but a Sleeping Keyhole. What effect would that have on him?



O I see. Thought it would be more complicated.

True, I forgot to take that into account. But still, if this is Ventus during a post split pre-training black out, would he do the same during his 10+ years in the Chamber of Wakening? Did he visit the Chi era twice in his dreams? Has he traveled to different Sleeping Worlds? That means that the first time he didn't find the Sleeping Keyhole (if that would be a plot point).

So if you're an outsider who visits the world in RoS and then unlocks the Sleeping Keyhole, you can't travel back in time in the RoL to the period that World was trapped in? Because you never existed there because you only existed there in a dream and dreams aren't thus you can't exist there? Hmm, that actually makes sense.
But what about Destiny Islands though? That was a Sleeping World ever it was plunged into Darkness in KH1 right? Yet we see it in Days, KHII and the ending of Re:Coded.


I think that is the whole point. MoM once again manipulating us and dooming us to fail.

And we already made teams based on our Unions and they even ask Jewels for changing it, they wouldn't remove that surely. But seeing as we are supposed to be Dandelions and free of Unions, it would be cool if they removed the "parties must be in the same Union" rule.

Did the same uproar happen when KH 358/2 Days was confirmed as name?

[SIZE=2]But in one of the trailers we saw Riku walking around with that same box. Surely they wouldn't put Ventus in a box.
[/SIZE]Or did I get that confused with the briefcase Yen Sid gave him? Can't find that trailer anywhere damn it.

I like the new faces. But they need to add some black hair. Gray is nice, but still.

Uh, those are completely different things. One is a box, the other is a suitcase/luggage and they don't even look the same.
You can't find the trailer because we never see him walk around with it in any of the trailer, we only see him grabbing it

... I could have sworn I saw a trailer of it somewhere... I guess I got confused.

Anyways, there are pics going around on reddit. Seems like there will be traits for Keyblades and Medals. Things like "Max Gauge +2" etc. and someone's been saying there's "poison resistance".

If that's true it could be really nice. There have been plenty of times when I wished I could have some way of resisting status effects (especially when the enemy gets a preemptive attack and it paralyses me -.-). Though things like medals that increase max gauge could really change the meta and I hope that free and casual players have reasonable options for most of the effects.

Here are pics:





Seems like Medals can only have a max of 5 traits

Wait wait, we can freely assign the traits on our Keyblades? 10/10 +2 Max Gauge and Paralyze resistance for sure. Honestly when I first saw it I was afraid it would be something like our Avatar Parts. Pre-assigned traits, but freely assigning them is pretty cool. I wonder if we immediately get them the moment the new game starts or that we have to beat certain Quests or Events.

But traits on our medals? I wonder how they will diverge this from the Skills (aside from the additional slots).

This will come along with new Ux?. It supposed to be a thing when unchained first realease.

One can definitely only hope for the best.
Ventus' mere appearance in this era is understandably mind-boggling for many but that's so typical for Nomura and knowing him I bet he has build in two or more additional twists in the whole thing.
For this reason I am also still holding back on a definitive assessment of exactly which "nature" this Ventus is. So far we've only seen him speak two sentences one of which is his catchphrase, no further indicators or hints.
Nomura is known for sometimes throwing a curve ball, so not everything might be as it seems at first glance.

To be exact there existed 6 versions of the BoP before the Keyblade War, one copy for each Foreteller plus the original owned by the MoM.
In Back Cover Gula states that the Lost page is not in any of their books, meaning Gula's own copy of the book doesn't have it either and the page Gula got from the MoM was the one located in the "original book".
So regardless of how many books "survived" the Keyblade War none of them has the Lost page anymore since it was a loose piece of paper owned by Gula.
The books "giving" or granting powers from the future alone do in fact not "prove" that the Ventus arriving here is from the future, as unlike with Maleficent where it was made crystal clear through dialogue, this isn't the case here.
If it were that easy, the theories of him actually originating from the past wouldn't exist in the form they do (and no one has made such a theory for Maleficent).

I dunno, we do not have ever actually seen Ventus closing a Keyhole so this is really all conjecture.
If he would find the Sleeping Keyhole of Daybreak Town and unlock it, it is even possible that nothing would happen at all since Ventus (as far as we know) doesn't have the Power to awaken hearts in the first place.
One of the reasons for Sora's and Riku's unusual Mark of Mastery exam was Yen Sid and Mickey wanting them to gain the special power to awaken sleeping/lost hearts, which one may gain only by unlocking seven sleeping Keyholes, not just one.


It is somewhat complicated when things are getting thrown together, lol.
We're dealing with both dream worlds and layers here and time travel thrown in beside it.

The question would be though if it matters if he "did the same thing" during the decade of resting in the CoW. The main premise of looking into the post-split but pre-training form of him is to explain why he appears in the X-era as he does and from that possibly deduce when he's having these dreams, not what their larger plot purpose is or if he did anything else, that's something for another time.
What we can take further from DDD though is that a) Ventus' heart has healed to a certain degree as it is capable of a little stirring activity, b) is aware/clear-headed enough to recognize an approaching danger for Sora and act on it by granting him temporary protection via his Keyblade armor and c) capable of feeling what Sora feels (happiness) and actually showing that it has at least a little "remote" control of its body by making it smile.

As U.N. Owen points out a bit further above, it is even possible that this "Ventus" is a projection of the heart that is dreaming right now and not actually the "true" Ventus at all, since as explained by you-know-who (I'm quoting Yen Sid rather often these weeks):


The Jiminy Cricket Sora and Riku meet in DDD for example is also just a dream figment, as is the "Sorcerer's Apprentice"-Mickey or Musketeer-Mickey as we know that the "true" Mickey isn't trapped in sleep anywhere.
The chance that what we're witnessing in Unchained/Union Cross is a dream of a trapped heart is pretty high, so if the dreamer in question isn't Ventus himself it is thus not out of the question that this "Ventus" is a dream figment created by the dreaming heart to paint a fuller picture.
The fact though that Ventus is trapped in sleep and has been as such two times as we know so far (one post-split but pre-Eraqus training and another after the end of BBS), he could be the true deal just like Maleficent is implied to be in Unchained 0.

You generally can't "travel back in time in the RoL to a period where that world was trapped in", Sora and Riku time travelling to the Destiny Islands of the past was a special thing done by Yen Sid.
Yen Sid sent Sora and Riku through time in order to provide them an entry point into the Realm of Sleep.

The sleeping keyholes are also unrelated to time travelling nor does unlocking them immediately end the dream or throw the dreamer out. When having the sufficient ability, unlocking them frees the heart in question from sleep, regardless if it is a world heart or a person's heart. During the finale Riku actually unlocks Sora's sleeping keyhole (directly after he defeats the Armor Nightmare and directly before he reaches the "Destiny Islands" in the core of Sora's heart where he meets Roxas/Ventus/Xion and Ansem the Wise).

It went like this:
1. Yen Sid resets S&R's abilities in order for them to "properly" learn Keyblade Wielding, resulting in them looking younger.
2. He sents them through time into the past to Destiny Islands just before it was about to fall into Darkness (at the end of the Prologue of KH 1).
3. Present day S&R take the raft to set out and await DI's fall so the entrance to the RoS appears (meanwhile KH 1 Sora and KH 1 Riku are doing what they were doing during KH 1)
4. Phantom Ursula appears, her appearance isn't exactly explained but she says "he was right, they're here", implying that Xehanort set her upon S&R.
5. S&R fall into the water, the entrance to the RoS appears and they open it with their Keyblades.
6. Riku notices Mr. Brown-Robe-Guy (actually Ansem SoD, the same Ansem SoD Sora meets in the cave during KH 1) standing on the surface of the water, sensing something is amiss he
instinctively dives into Sora's heart (and his dreams) instead of the true RoS, becoming Sora's protector Dream Eater.
7. Sora himself dives into the actual RoS, followed by Mr. Robe-Guy Ansem SoD who acts as a portal summoning the nort team, specifically Young Xehanort from the past, into the RoS as well
(Sora himself doesn't notice any of this, neither does Riku).
8. Upon arrival in the Traverse Town of the RoS, Yen Sid's magic kicks in again and grants Riku and Sora new clothes, with the exception of Riku's Spirit Dream Eater symbol
(which appears due to Riku becoming a Dream Eater) and Sora's silver "X" on his chest (which is conjured by Mr. Robe-Guy Ansem SoD and actually the Recusant's Sigil allowing the Norts to track Sora).

After this, Sora is always going through the sleeping worlds while Riku is going through Sora's own dreams about those sleeping worlds. It's dealing with dream layers like in the movie Inception. Sora is in the actual dreams of the worlds while Riku is in his dreams about those worlds (later on it gets even more weird with additional layers due to Ansem SoD's, Xemnas', Young Xehanort's and Xigbar's meddling).

Destiny Islands was restored to the RoL at the end of KH 1 when Mickey and Sora closed the great Door to Darkness so it wasn't lost to Darkness anymore.
The worlds Riku and Sora visited after entering the RoS in were not restored at the end of KH1, as explained by Yen Sid:

You'll recall, in your first journey, that you brought many worlds back from the darkness--but some never returned completely. They still sleep, cut off from all outside channels. Not even the Heartless can enter.

The main difficulty with DDD here is that the whole dream concepts and rescuing from sleep are thrown in together with the time travel mumbo-jumbo despite them being two largely different things.

demo pics!

[spoiler=new eyes][/spoiler]

[spoiler=theater mode] [/spoiler]

[spoiler= FINALLY a list instead of having to swipe through all the keyblades][/spoiler]

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
[spoiler=FRIENDSHIP COINS RETURNING][/spoiler]
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/5z22fl/khux_khux_pax_east_demo_picture_dump/

Okay, I feel silly asking this, but what the flapjack are friendship coins?

Whenever someone uses the medal you've shared you get friend points which you can redeem in the store for a low tier medal. It's handy for new players since it lets them build up free medals quickly.

And there's a super high chance you'll get Cids and Chips and Dales. The friendship points are love. They were so awesome when Ux first got released, then they removed them

Hmm...interesting. These friendship coins really seem useful, I can probably get some munny from selling those extra medals.

I got like at least 4 Cids every time I pulled

Ah, so that are friendship coins. Sounds pretty great. When and why did they remove them? Before the EU version came around because I've never seen them.

That sounds good in theory, but the longer playing players usually have the better medals. So people tend to use their shared medal, instead of the newbies Mickey medal. So wouldn't this just make the stronger stronger? Hard to imagine that a new player can make good use of it in a party.

Hmm... sounds rather easy collecting Cids and C&D medals. Not that I mind, but I guess that's the reason it got removed? What rarity are the Chip and Dales?

I don't quite remember, but I think I got like 2 of each every 3 draws. It was insane

To clarify, the Friend Draw actually used to only give story-farmable medals, and this was before Burst/Nova was a thing, so friend points were pretty useless.
They then added Chips/Dales (up to 5*) and Cids as an incentive to spend friend points (I believe I had around 30k to burn) before removing the feature entirely, which happened before NAUx's release.

True, and I agree with that.
Hmm, I guess so. But they better give a good explanation as to how he can be on our "future" medals and yet be present in the past. But eh, it was just a random thought I had while writing. Hence the question mark.

I don't think that would be a problem. Even the most inexperienced of Wielders can unlock a Keyhole. Look at Sora in the Deep Jungle, they Keyblade did it automatically.
So he wouldn't wake up, but would he be transferred to the next sleeping world? What happens to a Wielder who awakens a Sleeping World but doesn't leave it? Does he wake up with it even though he doesn't have the power yet? Would he fade away like a dream? Would he be forced to go to the next world? Would the World stay asleep as long as the Wielder is present in the World?



O, I guess I will save those questions for the DDD sub-forum then.
If we're talking about when. Yeah I gotta agree with you about the post-split pre-training one.

Aye, sorry about that. Like I said, I have a really hard time with DDD.

Those have always been native so far right? And they always followed the same story (didn't matter how the KH crew interfered). So if he really is a dream figment, that would indeed make him a native of that time and world. So that would bring us back to how he time traveled to the future, and who is dreaming about him right now.

Well we don't exactly know what happend to him pre-Xehanort. And during-Xehanort. Could have fainted at those times too. But that's another random thought.

I was under the impression only Master Xehanort could travel through time. Is Yen Sid's time travel shenanigans different from Xehanort time travel shenanigans? You know, I will probably just ask that in the DDD forum one of these days. Otherwise this gets a bit to much like a questionnaire about DDD :P (don't feel like derailing today)

O... I was under the impression it did. Alright then.

A very nice explanation. But Xehanort said that if you time traveled to a past version of yourself, you can't affect any of the events right? So didn't he just affect the events by going after Sora and Riku?

Ehh, atleast that movie I understand <.< This is just...

O i see, because they time traveled to the past and immediatly unlocked DI it's Sleeping Keyhole, it could be fully restored at the end of KH 1.

Yeah, I know. It's terrible. The only time I came close to making sense of this whole game was when KHI did that collaboration video with those other guys and explained everything. Especially time travel.


That sounds too good to be true. Hopefully they keep the rewards the same.

Wait, so it was a JAP only thing? (why am I even suprised?)

Merlin canonly has time travel powers, as it's part of his movie and he did time travel shenanigans in KH2, and he and Yen Sid share the "best wizard EVER" title, so it's not exactly surprising that Yen Sid would have his own methods to time travel as well. It seems to mostly follow Xehanort's rules, in his case. Merlin has a bit more leeway tho, it seems.

To be perfectly honest, I've seen that Merlin movie only once when I was younger and I wasn't particularly fond of it, so I forgot most of the movie :\ (Merlin was cool, the story and the other characters just weren't).
And I've no idea who Yen Sid is outside the KH universe. He supposedly trained Mickey as a wizard so he could control brooms?
I had no idea they could time travel outside of the KH universe, but that's a very interesting fact.

Oh my god yes no more swiping through the fucking keyblades yeeees.

You've never seen the Sorcerer's Apprentice scene from Fantasia? Even people who aren't massive Disney fans are familiar with it; it's one of the most iconic scenes in animation history.

Now that sounds pretty handy!
Now I feel great to hear these are returning and baffled that they were ever removed in the first place.