sorry guys for the lack of pictures, i'm still at work right now

sound like ava know the end is comming and she trying to save these kids

So the lost key blade masters are actually those who Ava sent to the Realm of Light?

A correction: Ava doesn't step in if you belong to Vulpes. Instead, you meet Ira, who transforms into Ava later in the scene same as ever.

Wait so how do we know that this whole game hasn't already been a dream? Like Chirithy being around has implied this place is a sleeping world. And what does it mean by "depart for the outside world"?

Thanks a lot goldpanner! So from what I got the 'dandelions' will be sent to the real world and not die in the war, in other words they get out of the dream loop. Still haven't enough to trust this though, I may be paranoid but I have a bad feeling about this.

Let me put my own two cents into this...

Let's say Daybreak Town is Keyblade Graveyard, and if all of this is a dream, could Daybreak Town be in the Realm of Sleep? And people have contacted Twilight Town's mansion to the Fair Tellers, you think something of them is still around I'm the Realm of Light?

"Even if these feelings, anger and sadness, signify darkness, pushing them down is proving impossible." Lines like this are even moreso making me think that Player is Sora. This sounds near identical to what he was talking about in Coded, when he said he couldn't let go of the hurt--even if it dragged him into the darkness--because the hurt was the only clue he had that he forgot something important. A lot of other things that Player said here remind me of Sora, actually.

So Ephemera and Skuld did have more of a relationship than what was hinted at previously. That's sweet, how he was concerned about her and all. (Though I'm still not convinced that Ephemera isn't somehow Xehanort, which would thus sour this whole thing).

Anyway, this was an amazing update. And I was staring open-mouthed the whole time I was reading this! LOL.

But it's so interesting that the "dandelions" are trying to go into someone's dreams (probably). If this really had been the distant past, I could've understood why they were trying to save themselves, but I feel like this is going to cause some problems in canon now, if they somehow get into the real world (Xehanort's plan to have another Keyblade War, probably).

And if something like this did happen in the past... I almost wonder if it was even a good idea sparing wielders, since in my mind the Keyblades have caused more bad than good, and I don't think anyone should have that much power. Not when they led (or are going to lead in Chi) to the world getting destroyed! But clearly Ava (if this also did happen in the distant past, and not just in the RoS, and this is how some Keyblade wielders did live on after the War) didn't agree with my sentiments. LOL.

Also, that part where Player says the words "Raise your Keyblade", when Ava said that to him last time when they fought, was hella epic to me:)

There's still a part of me that thinks it might not be Vulpeus/Ava, though. Now that we know she has illusion powers, how do we know we're still not seeing an illusion right now? How do we know if the other people have these powers or not? We don't atm, sadly.

Why is everyone expecting the Dandelions to show up again? Wouldn't it make more sense that they were the children who rebuilt the world after the Keyblade War?

Thanks for the translation Goldpanner and Sign, you are the best.

On the other hand what if this was what Xehanort was alluding to when he said he how he knew there were more keybladers out there. How he seemed to think he could use the X-blade to start up a keyblade war at the snap of his fingers. What if Ava's living wielder storage is still around trapped in sleep and Xehanort wants to access it and use them to do another war? Maybe Xehanort's even been visiting the dream world ava made in his sleep, we never didn't get any explanation as to why Xemnas created a private room to lock himself away in and talks to himself in. Perhaps he wanted a place he could sleep in safety knowing no one would hear him talking in his sleep.

Makes me more hopeful for the writing in kh3 now.

What if Kairi's grandma is in fact Ava or one of the Dandelions?

Thank Masaru Oka and Nomura for being good at their job <3

That's an interesting theory. But KHx takes place in the distant past of the series. Perhaps she has used her power to transfer her heart from body to body...? Could it be that she is the only living being to have witnessed what happened, and has been happening, since the Keyblade War?

Tbh the "outside world" comment intrigues me most. If it's one world how is there an "outside" world?

Hey everyone, I don't post often, but I noticed something and had to point it out in hopes someone sees it.

The Foretellers' names are all derived from the Latin words for the seven deadly sins.

Ava- Avaritia- Greed
Ace- Acedia- Sloth
Invi- Invidia- Envy
Gula- Gula- Gluttony
Ira- Ira- Wrath

Wikipedia Link for proof, hahah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

Edit: Obviously only five of them, we're missing Pride (Superbia) and Lust (Luxuria), but hey, it's something.

Well in DDD Sora does dream up worlds of his memories, it's just for the most part he wasn't the one who running around in them. Which was good because if Sora got sucked into his own dream he would be closer to the abyss of sleep. That being Xehanort's plan where he forced Sora to sleep for so long that he ultimately got sucked up into his own dream and woke up there. Effectively putting him out of the reach of anyone and cutting him off from "the world above", until Xehanort went and carried his body back up to be used for sinister purposes.

Sounds like Ava is just doing a less sinister version of that. Instead of making the wielders drops so deeply they fall into the abyss of sleep, she is just putting them to sleep and having them wake up within their dream. There they'd walk around a dream daybreak town and live out their memories in perpetual stasis, unchained from the real world. It's the ultimate fallout shelter a world that is cut off from reality existing only sleep where her dandelions would be spared destruction. They then could of rebuilt the world or maybe they are in cold storage still. Personally I think the latter is the cooler direction because it's kind of unsettling to think about.

Especially because Ava's motive for doing so I don't think was very good. She wanted to preserve the keyblade and life be better off if the keyblade vanished forever.

Re: "outside world"

Fiddlesticks, here I thought I was being novel. > < Ah well, thanks for directing me there, Blackdrazon! Glad to see I'm not the only one to see this connection, at least.

The MoM is male, right? So he couldn't be Ava. But I do think it's really cool we have another female character with depth, and who is powerful and whose proactive actions have a huge impact on the plot. And this game gave us Skuld as well, so I'm extremely happy with it.

GP I edited your link. It was literally creating an endless stream of pop-ups for me and wasn't KHI's URL for some reason despite being the right page D:

D: Whoa that's weird... Thank you for fixing it!! I'll look into why that happened...

subbed videos added to the OP it is 4 am goodbye world

Hold on a second, if Ava is derived from the word Greed, surely her ultimate motive is out of greed? A part of me feels as though the whole "travel like Dandelions" procedure with 20 Keyblade Wielders is a means of depleting members from other Unions so that Ava/Vulpeus have the upper hand in the collection of Lux?

The Foretellers' names are all derived from the Latin words for the seven deadly sins.

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What is the main aim of the player, emphasised on in the beginning of the game. In KH

we are told to collect Lux, the fragments of light held by the Heartless. Considering that everyone wants them, as it is the driving force behind the Factions, it ties into your discovery rather well.

I've been so distracted by Unchained I haven't really been here.

Now let's see what happens in this upd-



Skuld: This is all happening too fast…

You're telling me!

I, uh, wow. Okay, uh jeez where to start?
FIVE MONTHS! The original Chi is ending in five months. I was surprised by that but I feel I really shouldn't be considering 2.8 (and therefor Back Cover) is coming later this year (and I'll guess November since I'm thinking it. Two months after the shutdown and Final Fantasy XV sounds about right.)

Player giving I speech while Dearly Beloved plays. ;~;

Ava gathering "dandelions."

This is all so much to take in.

Dandelions....
I didn't think much of it when dandelions first showed up, but this talk of seeds made me think of Xehanort, though it's different from what he's doing.

that delovey beloved does sounds new i wonder if we going that dearly beloved for backcover or 2.8 in general?

I guess X(chi) will end with the Keyblade war destroying everything and you proceed to do things in Unchained then? Hmm, sounds very interesting. I also think that the kids Ava is collecting might be the ones who will end up being the one`s whose light rebuild the world as it`s know today.

Man, things are getting really, really interesting.

This type of stuff gets me re-excited for the KH3 plot. They really seem to be rebuilding a solid foundation that seemed to be damaged a bit after DDD.

Dang it, Extra! I was just about to say that about Skuld, but you totally ninja'd me. Haha:)

Anyway, as for Ava's greed... I'd have to say it's that she didn't let the Keyblade die--and even seemed to think it, and its wielders, were needed in the next world--and by doing that, she allowed the weapon that caused all of the problems we see here to pass over, and now the world's about to be destroyed in KHIII, probably.

She should've just forgotten about the Keyblade entirely. Which sounds harsh, because then that probably means she should've just let everybody die--because I don't think we've seen a way that someone can give up their Keyblade yet?

Or, at the very least, she should have told them to not keep up the Master and Apprentice thing:

That way the Keyblade wouldn't have been passed onto anyone again (though her dandelions would've been there to rebuild the lost world with the light of their hearts still), and the Masters wouldn't have been able to spread their prejudice and ideas to pupils, who ended up furthering their views into conflicts with each other.

Also, I still think Ava could be the Master of Masters. I know that Chirithy said "...My Master, he who created me", but now that we know that Vulpeus has illusion powers and has changed her appearance before (even pretending to be some of the guy foretellers in this very mission!), I'm not ruling anything out. LOL.

Oooh my gosh this is such a cool twist ;w; I've been following the story like an addict for a while, so to get an interesting turn like this has really made sitting through and reading translations the best.
Now I just have to wait to see what happened to these Keyblade Wielders. Did some wake up earlier and start the Keyblade training again? Did others just stay sleep until the time was right? Is this how we get the flow of Keyblade masters to the current date? I'm just-- fans self -- super excited to see how they'll work with this in the future.

I'm gonna pray for Ephemera and Skuld to show up now like...

So here is another direction/theory I just thought of that they could go...and by thought I mean it was a chocolate-induced dream I had last night. >.> Skuld and Ephemera both bare resemblance to Braig so I guess my mind came up with this idea that Braig was their descendant. Which is to say Skuld and Ephemera were the only two wielders that managed to leave the world of unchained and return to reality, during the time when Xehanort was still a kid.

The rest of the Dandelions were all still trapped in stasis and Ephemera who was charged with leading the Dandelions by Ava needed to figure out a way to free the rest of them. To that end Skuld and Ephemera settled down together in Radiant Garden because of its similarity to Daybreak town, to do research on finding a way to free them. And though they never told anyone that they weren't from the ancient past they spread their tale around in the form of a fairytale which Kairi's grandmother heard as a child. They were never able to figure out how to free the Dandelions and eventually became too old to continue and instead passed their duties down to their bloodline, of which Braig is the most recent member of. So now it was up to Braig to free and lead the Dandelions and one day Xehanort appeared and offered him a way to do just that, and so Braig made a deal Xehanort helps him free the Dandelions and in return Braig acts as Xehanort's right hand man.

Okay I skimmed through some things and ideas just kept coming so I'm going to type them up now and reread things. I assumed that the Dandelions were the kids also.

When it comes to Chi being in the real world...if so, then how are Donald, Goofy, and Mickey existing? That Mickey is from after BBS, but he still has the star shard. How are they in the past?

As far as being Unchained...I think he has to do with being immune to falling into sleep, or being able to willingly traverse the two dimensions. Being able to enter some ones dreams in the first place is a feat in its own isn't it? Eph is diving into Players and Skulds dreams somehow and giving them messages.

Perhaps...Ava and Eph are doing something similar to what Joshua was doing with Neku and the other Twewy cast members. I always thought that subplot was a little too complex for something so early in the game. Joshua=Ava with trying to using the fragments of the past to create a new world because of the "current" world being destroyed. Eph=Neku with being in said New World (Realm of Sleep) reliving things as the way they were.

The outside world comment can be pretty simple. The world had Keyblade Wielders, but what of other parts of the world? Maybe she was saying "outside world" as an example of talking about people outside of the Unions Conflict? Not everyone is a Wielder.

Skuld can also be short for

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Aren't we all forgetting something really important here?

What was the last thing that we the players saw of Ephemera? When he got corned by that person in the Organization cloak, right?

Now, maybe there's a chance Ava stepped in and bested that person and saved Ephemera--and afterwards explained everything to him, and that's when he agreed to become one of her dandelions.

But the fact that we didn't see what happened with the Organization member, and Master Ava didn't even mention him to the Player, Skuld, and Chirithy when talking about what happened to Ephemera, is suspicious to me.

Maybe Ephemera's not safe, after all?

Unless Ava was posing to be the Organization person that he saw, for whatever reason, which kind of makes her seem all the more suspicious, tbh.

What if in order to the dandelions are in the realm of sleep but have sealed away their hearts somewhere else in the realm(like inside the 7 princesses or something) so that they wouldn't age. Then they "key to return hearts" could be what yen sid tells sora to find so that he can give them back all their hearts.

Just a minor thought here. The real names of Unicornis, Vulpeus, Ursus and Anguis all corresponds with the sins their animal motifs symbolises. Except for Leopardos. He is supposed to be gluttuny, which could easily be something like a Boar (Porcus or Verres). Now the sin of pride should be a lion, which in latin is Leo. Leo, Leopardos. Why would Nomura choose to name one of the Fortellers Leopardos when an other animal would be more fitting and there is a possibility someone with a lion motif exists? I'm saying, what if Pride is the sixth and ha somehow killed the real Gluttony and impersonated him? Or simply I overthink stuff and either there is no Pride, or he gets a different animal. A Horse wouldn't make much sense tough, when we have a Unicorn.

Perhaps, instead of personifying the sins the Foretellers are derived from, the theoretical descendants are counterweights, parallels. Whilst Kairi is definitely not greedy, she is perhaps selfless in a way, risking her safety to redeem Sora's Heartless and return the boy to the light. Whilst not envious, Aqua was certainly content with the friendship she, Terra and Ven shared, and sought to maintain it. Ventus seemed rather moderate, not asking for much but giving plenty in return, helping others and restoring their hope. Terra was very impulsive and energetic, always acting and doing. He was always on the run from his innate darkness. And whilst he may be wrathful to his enemies, Riku does all he can to protect his friends, prevent them from coming to harm.

I like this idea. Perhaps the connection between the Foretellers and the Present Heroes are just a symbolic one and not a literal connection. Perhaps it will be illustrated that the first Keyblade War happened and the world fell due to the nature of the Foretellers (the sins) but the Heroes in the Present will avoid the Keyblade War by exhibiting the opposite traits this time around, breaking the cycle or something.

what do you guys how sora fit into stuff?

I'm trying to figure out where Xehanort comes into all of this. I think maybe he was originally one of Ava's Dandelions...maybe Ephemera is his Dream Eater? Maybe Unchained is Xehanort's dreams of his past?

maybe the KH Protagonist don't represents the Cardinal Sins but their Reverse Cardinal Virtues (Terra is Diligent, Riku is Patient, Aqua is Kind and etc)

Also about the Lion representing Pride... I've got a Weird Idea
If the Master of Master is who I think it is (Walt Disney... I know some consider this as a Joke, I could see a Possibility)
Than what about the Story of Lion and the Mouse?
Where the Prideful Lion was saved by a Mouse after he spared the Mouse?
Also remember how Sora used to be a Lion Boy?

What if the "outside world" refers to the actual book of prophecy? Like Ava transports them into the book to withstand the war, hoping in the future, they can be reawakened. Being in the book would "unchain" them from the events of the war. It's not impossible to enter a book in KH. We've seen it with pooh. And if things can be pulled from the book, it stands to reason that there could be a way to put things in the book. So in Unchained, you're playing through the story of Chi as if it was a story in a book. So basically, Chi really happens, and unchained is the story about it in the time of prophecy.
Just a thought, but a viable one imo.
We know the books still exists because Maleficent acknowledges their existence.

I got a lot of stuff in my mind after those cutscenes from chi*. First, if all this keyblade barriers are still inside the RoS, then who made the world as we know it? As mentioned in Kairis grandmother story? The question would be, where are they? For only Eraqus and Xehanort to survive? and now more than ever, who is their master? And if Ephemera is "Unchained", that sounds as if he was free from the RoS, not in it.

Is chirithy bring a dream eater the only proof we have of the realm of sleep being used? Cause everyone is talking as if it's a definite thing. I agree that's pretty compelling evidence, but all that would tell me is that chi is a sleeping world.

WAIT! (This has probably been said)
What if daybreak town is a world between sleep and wake like TWTNW and traverse town? Then once the world is asleep, is there the potential that Ava knows this and, since time doesn't really exist in the realm of sleep, she can somehow give them the ability to leave daybreak town and enter a point in time after the keyblade war? So the keyblade war happens and the world ends up sleeping. Ava catches on and then finds a way to allow the dandelions and access the worlds as they are now. Maybe she stays because she knows that the world is continually experiencing the same events (as it is explained in DDD that dream worlds do) and wants to try to change them.

Or maybe unchained is the not sleeping part of daybreak town. It's unchained from repetition of the sleeping world and the inhabitants are unchained from their fate.

Sorry if that was confusing. Haha.

Whoa guys, I was just reading on Wikipedia about the Greek God of Dreams, Morpheus, and it says

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So would you say that the Tome can even predict someones reactions? When Donald saw Player (Or was it Mickey?) he asked him "Why do YOU have the keyblade?" or something along those lines, and Mickey questioned the world they were in as if they were traveling to a destination other than DB Town.

Well that certainly leaves us with more questions than answers! I highly anticipate seeing this whole story in its entirety most likely in KH2.8 later this year. I bet the Dandelions are what started the Land of Departure Keyblade Masters so that there could be some sense of unity focused more on the whole Keyblade lore and possibly a whole bunch of other unknown information at this time. Truly fascinating lore especially for a mobile game of all things!:tongue: Can't wait to learn more soon or in the future.

Could it be that the Dandelions are related to Xehanort´s keyblade? Dandelion can be traduced to "lion teeth" and the keyblade has a lion in it.